Newbie needing some help.

Hello I just signed up today.

Ok..I'm a fairly new natural, about 5 months or so. I'm at in my wits end with my hair. It is so dry! I can't seem to find a product that my hair likes. No matter what I do, it just seems to sit on top of my hair and weighs it down and be greasy. I try products with shea butter, jojoba oil, natural oils, glycerine. I just don't know what to do. I see ladies talking about how soft their 4a/b hair is after using products and I just can't figure out why my hair is not becoming soft.

I have 4b hair that is fine and thin. If anyone could help me or have any idea what could possibly be my problem, I would so appreciate it.

Thank you

Hair Type: 4b, fine, thin
First, tell us what products you are using.

What are the names/brands?

Are you using a leave-in conditioner?

Are you using them on your hair while it is wet or dry?

Are you doing any protective styles? Braids/twists or just wearing your hair loose?

what are you using as a moisturizer?

Do you seal your moisture in with an oil?

You may be over shampooing your hair, which strips out all the natural oils so a no poo regimen may be recommended where you cleanse your hair with conditioner only.

If you are using a lot of products containing mineral oil or silicones, you may need to clarify your hair with a sulfate-based shampoo and start fresh with a different product regimen.

Once you provide a little more info I'm sure we can offer some advice to help you.

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Last edited by Kinky Rhonnie; 02-08-2010 at 02:56 PM.
First, tell us what products you are using.

What are the names/brands? V05 milks conditioner w/soy protein, silky milks and suave damaged care conditioner for cowashing, Jojoba oil, Carol's daughter healthy butter and mimosa honey, Palmer's coconut oil hair milk, water and glycerine mix,

Are you using a leave-in conditioner? Cantu shea butter leave-in conditioner

Are you using them on your hair while it is wet or dry? I use on wet and dry

Are you doing any protective styles? Braids/twists or just wearing your hair loose? I wear my hair in a afro puff.

what are you using as a moisturizer? I tried the glycerine mix and the palmer's coconut oil hair milk.

Do you seal your moisture in with an oil? Sometimes..doesn't seem to work.

You may be over shampooing your hair, which strips out all the natural oils so a no poo regimen may be recommended where you cleanse your hair with conditioner only.

If you are using a lot of products containing mineral oil or silicones, you may need to clarify your hair with a sulfate-based shampoo and start fresh with a different product regimen.

Once you provide a little more info I'm sure we can offer some advice to help you.
Originally Posted by Kinky Rhonnie
I hope this helps in answering my question..thanks.

Hair Type: 4b, fine, thin
When I first went natural, I tried co-washing, Carol's Daughter Hair Milk, Healthy Hair Butter, Mimosa Hair Honey, Cantu Shea Butter. None of them worked for me. As long as my hair was wet, Cantu Shea Butter was great. But as soon as it dried, my hair was dry and hard. Co-washing and CD's Hair Milk would make my scalp itch. And the HHB would leave me with dry, greasy hair.

I really wanted all these things to work for me, but they didn't. I thought something was wrong with my hair because they didn't work. But, it just showed me that everything doesn't work for everybody. You will just have to continue to try out different things to see what will work for you.

If I were you, I would try and find a really good conditioner that could be used as a co-wash, leave in, and a moisturizer. That way, you wouldn't be out of a lot of money trying to find something that will work. HTH

I have thick coarse hair so what works for me may not work for you.

I do know that a little protein strenghtens the hair but too much can make the hair brittle and dry, which results in breakage. I'm not familiar with silky milks but the name makes me wonder if it contains silk protein. The suave damage care does contain Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein and Hydrolyzed Soy Protein. I'm not sure where you are located but glycerin is not recommended for cold weather months. Glycerin being a humectant pulls moisture from the air into the hair. In the winter, the air is dry so humectants tend to have the opposite effect resulting in dry hair. So invest in moisturizing conditioners and put the glycerine away until the temperature warms up.

On soaking wet hair after a conditioner wash, I’d add the leave-in, then moisturize with the healthy hair butter, and put the hair in big jumbo twists to set it for an afro puff. Seal the ends or the entire hair strand with the mimosa honey, or jojoba oil (or mix them both together in a separate jar). Let your hair air dry. Twisting and braiding are protective styles and they seem to help the hair hold moisture better even if it’s just set overnight. I always set my hair for a puff.

Be sure to protect your hair at night. Never, ever sleep on cotton as it pulls all of the moisture from your hair. Silk and satin are best.

I've never used Carol's Daughter products or the Cantu Shea Butter Leave-in but I read mixed reviews on them all. Some people love them while some people hate them. I stick with natural products. Maybe someone can offer some product recommendations.

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Last edited by Kinky Rhonnie; 02-09-2010 at 10:28 AM.
I have thick coarse hair so what works for me may not work for you.

I do know that a little protein strenghtens the hair but too much can make the hair brittle and dry, which results in breakage. I'm not familiar with silky milks but the name makes me wonder if it contains silk protein. The suave damage care does contain Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein and Hydrolyzed Soy Protein. I'm not sure where you are located but glycerin is not recommended for cold weather months. Glycerin being a humectant pulls moisture from the air into the hair. In the winter, the air is dry so humectants tend to have the opposite effect resulting in dry hair. So invest in moisturizing conditioners and put the glycerine away until the temperature warms up.

On soaking wet hair after a conditioner wash, Id add the leave-in, then moisturize with the healthy hair butter, and put the hair in big jumbo twists to set it for an afro puff. Seal the ends or the entire hair strand with the mimosa honey, or jojoba oil (or mix them both together in a separate jar). Let your hair air dry. Twisting and braiding are protective styles and they seem to help the hair hold moisture better even if its just set overnight. I always set my hair for a puff.

Be sure to protect your hair at night. Never, ever sleep on cotton as it pulls all of the moisture from your hair. Silk and satin are best.

I've never used Carol's Daughter products or the Cantu Shea Butter Leave-in but I read mixed reviews on them all. Some people love them while some people hate them. I stick with natural products. Maybe someone can offer some product recommendations.
Originally Posted by Kinky Rhonnie
I may have to use all natural products. I thought I would be like those few who can use the regular products and be okay. I did something a little bit different this morning. I washed my hair with ACV rinse and Organic Almond soap bar in that order and my hair was sooo soft. I couldn't believe it. It felt like I was touching my hair for the first time. I deep conditioned with Coconut oil and suddenly my feel of my hair changed..it was harder. Then I put the Palmer's coconut oil hair milk and suddenly my hair was back to where it was. There is protein in the hair milk and silicones too. Maybe my hair doesn't like coconut oil? I'm thinking about just using jojoba oil and that's it. Products just don't like my hair.

Hair Type: 4b, fine, thin
As some of the other ladies have stated, you may have some sensitivity to protein. You may want to try moisturizing conditioners and leave-ins to see if that helps. I think Herbal Essenses has some protein free condishes, Aussie Moist is protein free (although not cone free). If you do a search, you will find more.
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A lot of people consider themselves protein sensitive. Try moving away from the proteins for a while and see what happens.

Then, if you continue to have a problem, move away from the silicones.

Eliminate one at a time.

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Ms, curly 4b

I can definitely agree with you. I just did my BC now my fine 4b hair is only 1/8 in. Im from ohio aswell. Everyone says do a wash n go. But after co-wash( suave tropical coconut), co(herbal essence hello hydration) leave-in(reconditioning hydralicious) sealing with (doo gro mega thick oil) gel( IC fantansia olive oil gel. I have coils but its just dry.

Not sure what to do.

Sisters is there some help for fine haired 4b's
Ladies I'm with you. I had the same challenges when I bc'ed just over two years ago. I just celebrated my two year anniversary as a natural February 17, 2010. Yay!!!

Being 4b, letting my hair dry loose is no go. As soon as I started coming out of the twa stage, and it will go by quick, I started setting my hair in twist and wearing twistouts. My hair was able to retain more moisture when I set my hair because it was stretched while it air dried. At this point, George's Aloe Vera Gel and I became very good friends because I didn't want to use a gel that would cause additional dryness. I used the gel as a styler on top of my leave-in and moisturizer.

As I became better and better and two-strand twisting I learned to stretch and smooth my twist as I went along and kept each detangled. Once I mastered the technique I started to use styling products less often and opted for more moisture. But cold weather and warm weather product choices vary as well.

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Last edited by Kinky Rhonnie; 02-21-2010 at 04:22 PM.

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