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Old 02-24-2010, 08:41 PM   #1
 
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Hello all,

I have been lurking on these forums for about 3 years now, gleaning information, and learning entirely too much about natural hair.

However, I'm having one huge problem that's keeping me from fully enjoying my hair (which I absolutely adore!) I have incredibly tight, coily (as in pen spring-sized o-coils) hair, which is great because I can get definition with a gel...BUT incredibly frustrating because I cannot rake my fingers through my hair regardless of how well I detangled right before or how much conditioner/water is in my hair then. This makes it almost impossible to define my coils, considering the time it takes and the amount of breakage I'd get (once I start getting frustrating and just ripping through the ends )

Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution? I'm dying to find a solution so I can finally define my coils without losing 5 or 6 hours.
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Well I dont have a problem defining, I have however found a pretty cool way that doesnt take long.

How do you put your products in your hair? I rake the products in with my fingers while my hair is sectioned. I also start off with a cowash , with the hair sectioned, then apply my leave-in still keeping the hair sectioned and then finally apply the styler.

My hair strands usually coil up on each other and I havent had any issues when doing this, even in the winter. I cant wait until spring time though.
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Old 02-25-2010, 09:06 AM   #3
 
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Thanks for replying! =)

I've been sectioning as well (usually about 20 or so twists around my head-my hair is super thick) but even within those smaller sections I'm unable to slip my fingers through. I think it has something to do with the fact that my coils are so tight that the ends of the coils are actually horizontal to each other so that when I try to part the hair with my fingers, they just pull against each other and knot up.

I just detangled this morning and it took 3 hours, in the shower, and half a bottle of Jane Carter Nutrient Replenishing conditioner. I baggied all night with a huge helping of coconut oil and the same conditioner in hopes that it would soften things up.

I'm starting to get really frustrated with this hair, and despite loving other people's natural hair, I think mine just might be the one texture that does have to be relaxed or loc'ed. I have yet to find anyone with a texture like mine. I really wish I could.

Here's a couple pics from about two years ago, not sure if you can see my texture, but my hair coils absolutely freakin' everywhere. I wish some of it were looser so I could detangle it, arghs!
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Old 02-25-2010, 12:39 PM   #4
 
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Your hair looks like mine. I detangle my hair in under 30 mins. I don't detangle in the shower or with conditioner.


I usually cowash or use clay to clarify or use amla mixtures to clean my hair. If I really need to detangle I use qhemets detangling ghee along with my fingers as the hair is sectioned

It hurts if I'm not gentle because of my thickness and coils but I have never spent over 30 mins detangling.

Are you using excess protein in your products ? That sometimes causes my hair to harden and tangle further on each strands.

So you wear a wash and go mostly or protective styles ?


ETA. What are you using to define ? Do you layer or use leave-ins?

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Old 02-25-2010, 02:24 PM   #5
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Thanks for replying! =)

I've been sectioning as well (usually about 20 or so twists around my head-my hair is super thick) but even within those smaller sections I'm unable to slip my fingers through. I think it has something to do with the fact that my coils are so tight that the ends of the coils are actually horizontal to each other so that when I try to part the hair with my fingers, they just pull against each other and knot up.

I just detangled this morning and it took 3 hours, in the shower, [B]and half a bottle of Jane Carter utm_source=naturallycurly.com&utm_medium=text-link&utm_content=curltalk-post-text&utm_campaign=the-jane-carter-solution-nutrient-replenishing-conditioner]Nutrient Replenishing conditioner. I baggied all night with a huge helping of coconut oil and the same conditioner in hopes that it would soften things up.

I'm starting to get really frustrated with this hair, and despite loving other people's natural hair, I think mine just might be the one texture that does have to be relaxed or loc'ed. I have yet to find anyone with a texture like mine. I really wish I could.

Here's a couple pics from about two years ago, not sure if you can see my texture, but my hair coils absolutely freakin' everywhere. I wish some of it were looser so I could detangle it, arghs!
Jane Carter is not a great detangler. I used this 4 years ago when I was transitioning and it too took me 2 hours to detangle and I have 4a hair. Some suggestions:
Qhemet detangling ghee
Darcy's daily leave-in
Aestelance balm (excellent) this saved me when I was transitioning. http://www.brightonbeautysupply.com/...estseller.aspx

Also maybe you need a conditioner with slip and detangles. Darcy's deep conditioner is excellent for that. HTH
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Old 02-25-2010, 03:32 PM   #6
 
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@shawnyblazes -- I generally do wash 'n go's because I can't part my hair (thanks to the above problem) fast enough for it to be doable. Last time i did a decent twist-set, it took me 9 hours. I actually like the way they look, but as a law student, I can't afford to lose an entire day doing my hair. I'm currently using KCC and Knot Today as a leave-in to shingle my hair once a week and hopefully prevent knottage until next wash. I used to do daily cowashes and let my hair shrink, but the tangles and my distaste for detangling led to some serious rat's nest-ness.

@lovestosamba -- Thank you for the product recommendations! I might go order the ghee right now--I've heard a lot of people say good things about it. The Jane Carter gives me tons of slip (I think its the behetronium methulsulfate), but maybe it isn't creamy enough to soften my ends. I had tried AOHR for detangling before since it's creamier but got no slip.
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Thanks for replying! =)

I've been sectioning as well (usually about 20 or so twists around my head-my hair is super thick) but even within those smaller sections I'm unable to slip my fingers through. I think it has something to do with the fact that my coils are so tight that the ends of the coils are actually horizontal to each other so that when I try to part the hair with my fingers, they just pull against each other and knot up.

I just detangled this morning and it took 3 hours, in the shower, and half a bottle of Jane Carter Nutrient Replenishing conditioner. I baggied all night with a huge helping of coconut oil and the same conditioner in hopes that it would soften things up.

I'm starting to get really frustrated with this hair, and despite loving other people's natural hair, I think mine just might be the one texture that does have to be relaxed or loc'ed. I have yet to find anyone with a texture like mine. I really wish I could.

Here's a couple pics from about two years ago, not sure if you can see my texture, but my hair coils absolutely freakin' everywhere. I wish some of it were looser so I could detangle it, arghs!
i absolutely love your hair
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:12 PM   #8
 
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Thank you! I'm trying to treat it with a lil' more TLC these days. Can't believe it's coming on 4 years! Soon as I figure out this detangling thing, I'll be one happy nappy.
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Maybe do you haves fotki ?
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In most sections of my hair, I have tight o pen springs as well so I don't do wash and gos. I set my hair in twists most of the time but every once in a while I'll do a braid out.

For your detangling issue, i'd recommend that you try Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner. A lot of times it's not the method you are using but the product that causing the problem. If I don't use the right product, a comb, fingers, or anything else is not getting through this thick @ss hair of mine and that's a promise. I've tried a ton of conditioners in my past two years as a natural. a few made me want to break down and cry. I relied on Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose up until Novemeber '09 because is was the first thing that I use that allowed me to get a wide tooth comb through my hair once I came out of the TWA stage. Then I discovered Elucence with the Olive Oil squalene and there is no turning back. I haven't had a bad hair week since. Especially when I use it as a deep conditioner with my Gold and Hot Heat Cap. I rely on the Conair Shower Comb as well. It takes me about 45 minutes to detangle out of shower using Elucence pre heat. About 30 post heat. I have VERY few coils sadly. That's hair envy maybejadey. lol. Don't forget it!!!

Also, you could work with your hair in sections if you are not already. I use to do a dry detangle using a cheap natural conditioner like whole foods 365 and put my hair in 6 sections and dry detangle each section using gobs of conditioner and my shower comb. I'd then use those same six sections to wash, condition, moisturize, and style. I'd lose a lot less hair this way.

While you are styling keep a spritz mix of conditoner, water, and castor oil near by to keep your hair moisturized. Since you are having a problem parting with your fingers, try gently parting with the end of a rat tail comb.
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Old 02-26-2010, 10:20 PM   #11
 
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@shawnyblazes: I unfortunately do not have a fotki, but maybe I'll start one! I didn't really do anything with my hair after BC'ing (to less than an inch of hair. The notion of transitioning never even occurred to me) except wear a fro or put a headband on the front (as an aside, I remember being SO freaking excited the first time I actually had enough length to put a headband on my big 'ole cranium!)

@Kinky Rhonnie: I'll definitely be checking that Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner out! Sounds like it works magic. And oh goodness girl, do not have hair envy. Your hair looks fabulous and here's a secret--those coils in my hair actually make it damn near impossible for me to do decent looking twist sets without a couple blisters on my fingers and 7 or 8 hours down the drain! Those coily ends keep my hair from curling or twirling at the ends of my twists unless they are *tiny*. The different coils just stay coiled in their own little sections and create what appears to be a massive frizzball, haha. So I'm all over your fotki drooling over your hair with major hair envy! C'est la vie! (or shou ga nai for those who speak Japanese ). The lesson's "love what you got," I guess. =)
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I hope you make one. Inspiration is wonderful when you don't even realize it.

Your hair resembles mine if I leave it as is after a wash and go. I've had so much success with section washing , co washing in the same sections and then still styling in the same sections. I don't move the hair that much so it doesn't hurt.


My number one fans are amla pastes, henna, prepoo'n on dry hair BEFORE sectioning and washing , conditioner and castor oil.

I haven't had a snag since unless I'm rushing and lazy. If I happen to be lazy I bust out the detangling ghee and slowly take my time to work it in. Then rinse in sections.( ponytail holders on each section, work one section at a time and then place ponytail back on move onto the next)
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