Miss Jessie's?

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So I've noticed on these forums that there is a number of people who don't like/agree with Miss Jessie's products. Besides them being so expensive, what are the cons of using it?

Someone who is also natural and only uses Miss Jessie's gave me some of her left over Curly Meringue. I looked at the ingredients and there is no Mineral Oil, Petrolatum, etc. Only a water-soluble cone. It looks ok for my hair, but before I use it I want to know some of the setbacks...?

Before I became more informed, I used to use Miss Jessie's products. I think most people prefer not to use them because, for the cost, there are many products out there that work much better and are not as expensive. The ingredients have changed in Miss Jessie's products over the last few years to inlcude things like mineral oil and -cones that coat the hair and have to be washed out with a sulfate shampoo.

I still use one of MJ's products - the Rapid Recovery deep conditioner. It works for me and I have two containers left so I continue to use it as one of my DCs, but again, because of the cost, I wont be rebuying once I am done with what I have.

I recently tried to revisit some of the other MJ products I still have like the curly pudding and merengue, but my hair felt really coated and my twist out didnt look so great. I think many of us just get better results with other product lines and dont feel the need to spend so much money for products that don't perform.
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Do you have the old formula? The current formula has parafinium liquidum, which is straight up mineral oil.

I can't stand Miss Jessie's because I don't want a product that will simply make my hair "look" good, I want something that is going to be beneficial and healthy for my hair. Meaning, I don't need a bunch of random ingredients and mineral oils/cones, that may not end up hurting my hair, but aren't going to help it either. And for the price, I have found SO MANY more products companies that use ridiculously awesome, natural ingreds that my hair loves.

If someone gave it to me I'd probably try it, but most likely wouldn't use it too often b/c I find that my hair either gets frizzy or hard when I use products that contain cones, so I just end up cowashing/clarifying when my hair starts to dry and I don't like the results.
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I seriously dislike the marketing and I dislike the owners. I've read interviews with them and it made me seriously want my $20 some odd bucks back for their bullsh*t. I think they are liars and I think they are very misleading and I hope their business fails.

I really hate that they charge $200 for a damn perm and then have the nerve to call it a "Natural" or "Natural look" (which to them is the same as being natural).
- don't let everybody elses long straight weave bum you out. don't let other people's big/long natural hair bum you out either. embrace what you have and rock it with confidence, because that's the only way you'll be happy. and whether you realize it or not you are somebody's influence. show them what it truly means to be confident.
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Do you have the old formula? The current formula has parafinium liquidum, which is straight up mineral oil.

I can't stand Miss Jessie's because I don't want a product that will simply make my hair "look" good, I want something that is going to be beneficial and healthy for my hair. Meaning, I don't need a bunch of random ingredients and mineral oils/cones, that may not end up hurting my hair, but aren't going to help it either. And for the price, I have found SO MANY more products companies that use ridiculously awesome, natural ingreds that my hair loves.

If someone gave it to me I'd probably try it, but most likely wouldn't use it too often b/c I find that my hair either gets frizzy or hard when I use products that contain cones, so I just end up cowashing/clarifying when my hair starts to dry and I don't like the results.
Originally Posted by ellepixie
Ok don't kill me buuut....I had no idea mineral oil and parafinium liquidum were the same thing. That's good to know though.

The same thing happens to me when I use cones unless it's peg-12, which washes out my hair easily with water/cowash.


And yeah, the cost is ridiculous. It's a recession!

I seriously dislike the marketing and I dislike the owners. I've read interviews with them and it made me seriously want my $20 some odd bucks back for their bullsh*t. I think they are liars and I think they are very misleading and I hope their business fails.

I really hate that they charge $200 for a damn perm and then have the nerve to call it a "Natural" or "Natural look" (which to them is the same as being natural).
Originally Posted by Cali Chik
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I mean, I can use MJ's on my hair with no problem. Just have to shampoo afterwards, and deep condition which I'd do anyway and I have no problem. I just couldn't use it consecutively.
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I seriously dislike the marketing and I dislike the owners. I've read interviews with them and it made me seriously want my $20 some odd bucks back for their bullsh*t. I think they are liars and I think they are very misleading and I hope their business fails.

I really hate that they charge $200 for a damn perm and then have the nerve to call it a "Natural" or "Natural look" (which to them is the same as being natural).
Originally Posted by Cali Chik
werd sis?? dish! what did they lie about in the interview?
Originally Posted by empressri
LOL...yea Cali, tell us how you really feel! Actually though, every time I read their interviews I get really annoyed. In one, they were talking about how mineral oil is a good ingred to use on hair (not that it's cheaper) and they really do act like a "silkener" is not a texturizer...oh and they said it takes three hours to do one? WTH?
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I seriously dislike the marketing and I dislike the owners. I've read interviews with them and it made me seriously want my $20 some odd bucks back for their bullsh*t. I think they are liars and I think they are very misleading and I hope their business fails.

I really hate that they charge $200 for a damn perm and then have the nerve to call it a "Natural" or "Natural look" (which to them is the same as being natural).
Originally Posted by Cali Chik
werd sis?? dish! what did they lie about in the interview?
Originally Posted by empressri

LOL...yea Cali, tell us how you really feel! Actually though, every time I read their interviews I get really annoyed. In one, they were talking about how mineral oil is a good ingred to use on hair (not that it's cheaper) and they really do act like a "silkener" is not a texturizer...oh and they said it takes three hours to do one? WTH?
Originally Posted by ellepixie
That's basically What I was gonna say.

They justify the use of mineral oil by quoting some bullsh*t ass study that says it moisturizes the hair. The fact is they put it in there cuz it's CHEAP.

They call being natural merely a "natural look" and that's what they accomplish by putting sodium hydroxide on your hair and charging $200. So basically they give you a just for me "Texture softner" that costs about $7 at Target and charge ppl 25 times more for ppl to achieve a fake ass "Loose" curl so ppl can walk around saying they are "natural."

I just think the misleading ppl thing is ridiculous. It makes me angry because I think going natural is a transformation into loving yourself. And here are these heffas capitalizing off of misleading unknowing ppl who are really trying to be authentically natural.
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I don't think MJ is misleading people. They clearly state on their website that a silkener is a chemical process and this information is disclosed to the customer and explained prior to services being done. I'm sure many of the women know that they are chemically altering their curls and I'm sure the people who get the silkener service want to achieve a certain type of look not because they are trying to go natural.

If folks want to pay $200 for the service, that is on them. The owners of Miss Jessies aren't misleading anybody. To each her own. *Kanye shrug*
They aren't lying to people, but I think they are definitely misleading/ripping off people. To take a texturizer and give it a pretty name, then charge $300 is ridamndiculous. If you don't know how to care for your hair, you're going to look at their after pics and think that's what you need to get the curly look you want.

This is the Afrobella article I dug up yesterday (after hearing about them going on Tyra) that annoyed the h-e-double hockey sticks outta me: http://www.afrobella.com/2007/04/30/...ntrepre-bella/

That's cool she was honest, but you see she seems to disassociate silkeners with other chem treatments...like it's special or something - and this quote nearly made me vomit: "...But I think the reason it remains such a popular service is because it really helps people to get what they want, that curly hair sass..." gtfoh...
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They aren't lying to people, but I think they are definitely misleading/ripping off people. To take a texturizer and give it a pretty name, then charge $300 is ridamndiculous. If you don't know how to care for your hair, you're going to look at their after pics and think that's what you need to get the curly look you want.

This is the Afrobella article I dug up yesterday (after hearing about them going on Tyra) that annoyed the h-e-double hockey sticks outta me: http://www.afrobella.com/2007/04/30/...ntrepre-bella/

That's cool she was honest, but you see she seems to disassociate silkeners with other chem treatments...like it's special or something - and this quote nearly made me vomit: "...But I think the reason it remains such a popular service is because it really helps people to get what they want, that curly hair sass..." gtfoh...
Originally Posted by ellepixie

They capitalize on the discontent and ignorance of others.
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Well I dunno...I don't have a problem with "silkeners." If people want to pay a large amount of money to change their curl pattern, that's on them. I'm not going to judge someone because they wish their hair was different, lmao...

I'm just glad I love my hair and don't need or want a $300 texurizer to change it =]
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^^^exactly^^^^^ They just want "that" look. Even Titi, the owner has a silkener so its obvious she believes in her own product. If their intention was to be misleading, then I don't think they would use the silkener themselves.
Well I dunno...I don't have a problem with "silkeners." If people want to pay a large amount of money to change their curl pattern, that's on them. I'm not going to judge someone because they wish their hair was different, lmao...

I'm just glad I love my hair and don't need or want a $300 texurizer to change it =]
Originally Posted by nicole.
Yes, people can pay $300 for a silkener if they want to, and...it's still too expensive. It's okay to say that.

Only an individual knows why they do what they do. It's not for me to say. BUT, I do know that when we aren't happy with what we've got, or/and we're ignorant about it, there's always someone waiting to use that unhappiness and ignorance for their financial gain. It's okay to say that, too.
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They aren't lying to people, but I think they are definitely misleading/ripping off people. To take a texturizer and give it a pretty name, then charge $300 is ridamndiculous. If you don't know how to care for your hair, you're going to look at their after pics and think that's what you need to get the curly look you want.

This is the Afrobella article I dug up yesterday (after hearing about them going on Tyra) that annoyed the h-e-double hockey sticks outta me: http://www.afrobella.com/2007/04/30/...ntrepre-bella/

That's cool she was honest, but you see she seems to disassociate silkeners with other chem treatments...like it's special or something - and this quote nearly made me vomit: "...But I think the reason it remains such a popular service is because it really helps people to get what they want, that curly hair sass..." gtfoh...
Originally Posted by ellepixie

They capitalize on the discontent and ignorance of others.
Originally Posted by NEA
THAT'S what I'm trying to say. Your sentenced summed it up.
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Originally Posted by subbrock
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Well I dunno...I don't have a problem with "silkeners." If people want to pay a large amount of money to change their curl pattern, that's on them. I'm not going to judge someone because they wish their hair was different, lmao...

I'm just glad I love my hair and don't need or want a $300 texurizer to change it =]
Originally Posted by nicole.
Nobody said anything about judging pplo who get "silkeners"
- don't let everybody elses long straight weave bum you out. don't let other people's big/long natural hair bum you out either. embrace what you have and rock it with confidence, because that's the only way you'll be happy. and whether you realize it or not you are somebody's influence. show them what it truly means to be confident.
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Here are the points that are misleading to me:

- Why don't they just call it a texturizer? That's what it IS. All these pretty, souped up names are their excuse for charging so much for it. If you don't know about chemical processes and/or hair, you're going to think this is a completely different process. Have they ever said, "A silkener is our version of a texturizer" when asked? Nope!

- It's not that people are willing to pay so much to change their curl pattern, it's that they can change their curl pattern in the SAME WAY using some dang S-Curl from Sally's. But I guess silkener sounds prettier, right? No one wants to say, "Oh, I have a texturizer" but silkener sounds lovely!

- They continuously boast that their products are the best for naturally curly, kinky and wavy hair...when their co-owner isn't even natural. I think their products are FINE, but to market it as a product for natural hair is pretty lame to me.

Aaaaand apparently I just took the Miss Jessie's rant from Cali Chick...lol, I just go to their website and get so annoyed because when I was contemplating going natural this girl was going on and ON about MJ and how great it makes her curls...then I researched it and was like WTF is this tomfoolery? But I would have totally bought into it if I hadn't started researching ingreds and natural products. So, it just makes me mad that they take advantage of people that aren't willing to put in the time and research. Yea, I know, it's their own fault, but still scumbaggery at its finest!
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Well mineral oil isn't necessarily bad, as long as you use it in moderation.

It basically just prevents the drying out of hair and skin. It's an occlusive agent, so it isn't a moisturizer, so if you're looking for moisture from mineral oil, it isn't gonna happen. Also, it is non irritating for those with sensitive skin. The rise of everything being organic has gave this ingredient a bad name, when in fact it's a natural crude oil. You probably shouldn't use it straight on your scalp, because it will clog your follicles but if you have dry hair, it's fine.

It's got it's bad reputation from organic/natural companies claiming it to be that way.
After reading that interview on Afrobella, it seems that Titi and Miko created their products based on their own desire for a "certain curly look" and at the time, they felt silkeners would help them and other folks achieve wash n go, low maintenance, fre flowing curls.

The good thing is, now there are products out there that are chemical free that allow people to achieve curly looks without paying $300 and without using chemicals. BUT, some people will still flock to Miss Jessies because they desire the results they see on the MJ website and that's fine and dandy in my book.

I wouldn't pay $300, but that's me.

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