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Old 03-20-2011, 05:59 PM   #281
 
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I was thinking something was up when I 1st opened it but I didn't really think about it till now. Grr... I bought it because I liked the ORIGINAL one..

GAH! This betta work just as well. The BTMS earlier in the line-up was to make it more moisturizing? It wasn't like the moisture was lacking before.

im very sad as i dont think its working like my old one did. i did a test on the left with the rest of my old sample and the right with the new cream.
the right side of my hair had a firmer hold to it, it also took awhile to sink into my hair, the old sample , melted instantly on contact.
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anyone notice a texture change in the whipped avocado cream?

an older sample size I have is like whipped and airy. When I stick my finger in it , its almost a wet feel to it. I just received a larger one with the newer labels and its whipped but dense now, I also noticed the ingredients are listed in a different order than the sample plus one missing ingredient

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distilled water, avocado butter, hemp seed butter, btms, all natural preservative, avocado oil, honeyquat,pro vitamin B5, alfalfa powder, wheat protein and fragrance

New full size jar ingredients
distilled water, btms, avocado butter, hempseed butter, potassium sorbate, avocado oil, fragrance, honeyquat, pro vitamin B5 and wheat protein
Maybe the order here doesn't matter. For example, if you use 7% of each btms, avo butter and hemp butter, then the order of listing can vary, but one should pick one way and remain consistent. It could be that she whipped the batch you got as a sample more than she did the one you got a full size of.... just speculating. It could also be that now she is using more BTMS, but if she is not increasing the oils, there is no need to use MORE btms to emulsify them

Anyway, is that was she is using as a preservative?...no wonder her stuff is going bad too soon...
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Isee what youre saying and I thought so too until I tried it tonight, its not only less whipped /airy but the wet smooth creamy feeling isnt there, this new jar is dense and when i smooth it in my fingers it takes awhile to disappear, same when i added it to my hair.
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Isee what youre saying and I thought so too until I tried it tonight, its not only less whipped /airy but the wet smooth creamy feeling isnt there, this new jar is dense and when i smooth it in my fingers it takes awhile to disappear, same when i added it to my hair.
+1 to your experience Shawny

Its funny because my sample of the cocoa conditioning cream is the exact texture that the WAC used to be - nice and airy and whipped. I didn't even think about the denser form much because my jar was nice and full, so I was just taking a little off the top and since I hadn't used it since late last year, I just kind of forgot about the texture. It had worked so well, I just expected it to work well again.

But yes, it was harder to absorb, but also I didn't get that same end feel to my hair after applying it. Since I don't have my old jar anymore, I don't have a second list of ingredients for comparison. I can only say it didn't work the same and I wish the WAC was the same consistency as the CCC sample I received, like it had been before.

I do like the grapeseed detangler though, a lot, except for the "wrestling match" I have to do to get it out of the bottle, but it works really nice. Hopefully it stays the same.
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Mozeke sent me an email earlier today and she is sending me another Whipped Avocado Cream after reading my review free of charge and free shipping. She wanted to assure us that there had not been a change in the amount of BTMS in the product. The amount remains the same and that the error is in the ingredients list itself, which she said she would correct. What had changed was the length of time she was whipping the cream, but on her tests the product still performed the same. She will work to get it back to the creaminess we like.... yaaaaayy!

She wanted me to pass the word to those who had recently purchased the WAC from her and had the same issue as myself and Shawny (and Nat?). Only thing is that she doesn't know everyone's screen names matched to their RL name, so you would need to contact her about getting a replacement.

She's such a sweetheart. I only wish her success because I'll be back for the Cocoa Conditioning Cream and the Grapeseed Detangler for sure.
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Ekua thanks, but when you receive yours can you let me know if its the same as it used to be?I'd hate to get a replacement and it doesnt work either. I was staring at a full size jar of the WAC and dont know what to do with it. It didnt work the same for me as the sample. I wont throw it away , its just going to take me awhile to use it lol.

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Mozeke sent me an email earlier today and she is sending me another Whipped Avocado Cream after reading my review free of charge and free shipping. She wanted to assure us that there had not been a change in the amount of BTMS in the product. The amount remains the same and that the error is in the ingredients list itself, which she said she would correct. What had changed was the length of time she was whipping the cream, but on her tests the product still performed the same. She will work to get it back to the creaminess we like.... yaaaaayy!

She wanted me to pass the word to those who had recently purchased the WAC from her and had the same issue as myself and Shawny (and Nat?). Only thing is that she doesn't know everyone's screen names matched to their RL name, so you would need to contact her about getting a replacement.

She's such a sweetheart. I only wish her success because I'll be back for the Cocoa Conditioning Cream and the Grapeseed Detangler for sure.
Thanks. I will contact her.
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I received my WAC last Thursday and it is whipped like Cool Whip. I didn't know it came last week because my husband picked up the mail and put the box amongst other larger boxes where he thought I would notice...

Just washed my hair this morning, so I will check it out next time around, but the texture is really nice and the smell is the same.
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ok cool , i will send her an email now, thanks Ekua
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So I picked up the Rhassoul Clay detox a couple weeks back, when i received of course I opened it and looked at the consistency it was dark in color and very thick. Fast forward to tonight I clicked the lid open and the mud shot 10 Feet literally projected out of the bottle sprayed all the way on the wall outside of my restroom WTF. So I unscrewed it and the color is now a dirty tan color and its more watery almost like unset jello if that makes sense... I dunno I think it went bad cause for it to shoot out like that means the gases from the aloe juice were building up. Then again no preservative in this product so
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So I picked up the Rhassoul Clay detox a couple weeks back, when i received of course I opened it and looked at the consistency it was dark in color and very thick. Fast forward to tonight I clicked the lid open and the mud shot 10 Feet literally projected out of the bottle sprayed all the way on the wall outside of my restroom WTF. So I unscrewed it and the color is now a dirty tan color and its more watery almost like unset jello if that makes sense... I dunno I think it went bad cause for it to shoot out like that means the gases from the aloe juice were building up. Then again no preservative in this product so
that sounds gross...yes, she is inadequately preserving her products...

ETA: i don't see this rhassoul detox on the site...

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So I picked up the Rhassoul Clay detox a couple weeks back, when i received of course I opened it and looked at the consistency it was dark in color and very thick. Fast forward to tonight I clicked the lid open and the mud shot 10 Feet literally projected out of the bottle sprayed all the way on the wall outside of my restroom WTF. So I unscrewed it and the color is now a dirty tan color and its more watery almost like unset jello if that makes sense... I dunno I think it went bad cause for it to shoot out like that means the gases from the aloe juice were building up. Then again no preservative in this product so
that sounds gross...yes, she is inadequately preserving her products...

ETA: i don't see this rhassoul detox on the site...
I know!!! hopefully she realized that the stuff goes bad in a couple weeks.
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...this is exactly why I've been hesistant to buy from this company. Boohoo.

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So I picked up the Rhassoul Clay detox a couple weeks back, when i received of course I opened it and looked at the consistency it was dark in color and very thick. Fast forward to tonight I clicked the lid open and the mud shot 10 Feet literally projected out of the bottle sprayed all the way on the wall outside of my restroom WTF. So I unscrewed it and the color is now a dirty tan color and its more watery almost like unset jello if that makes sense... I dunno I think it went bad cause for it to shoot out like that means the gases from the aloe juice were building up. Then again no preservative in this product so


WTF? How could that have happened....with a hair product? What are the ingredients in it?
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So I picked up the Rhassoul Clay detox a couple weeks back, when i received of course I opened it and looked at the consistency it was dark in color and very thick. Fast forward to tonight I clicked the lid open and the mud shot 10 Feet literally projected out of the bottle sprayed all the way on the wall outside of my restroom WTF. So I unscrewed it and the color is now a dirty tan color and its more watery almost like unset jello if that makes sense... I dunno I think it went bad cause for it to shoot out like that means the gases from the aloe juice were building up. Then again no preservative in this product so


WTF? How could that have happened....with a hair product? What are the ingredients in it?
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I know!!! hopefully she realized that the stuff goes bad in a couple weeks.
doubtful...she is preserving with potassium sorbate. Clearly she has not done the research to know that that is not adequate AT ALL for cosmetic formulations. It's not broad spectrum, and there are pH restrictions, so if she is not correctly (not with strips) testing the pH (and she likely is not) of her stuff to make sure that it's not too high, potassium sorbate is already ineffective at what little it does in her formulation. I doubt that she is having her products microbiology or challenge tested. She's been out for over a year now....SMH

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I know!!! hopefully she realized that the stuff goes bad in a couple weeks.
doubtful...she is preserving with potassium sorbate. Clearly she has not done the research to know that that is not adequate AT ALL for cosmetic formulations. It's not broad spectrum, and there are pH restrictions, so if she is not testing the pH of her stuff to make sure that it's not too high, potassium sorbate is already ineffective at what little it does in her formulation. I doubt that she is having her products microbiology or challenge tested. She's been out for over a year now....SMH
That potassium sorbate must be new cause its set not on my bottle


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^^^???? What? I don't get your post

ETA: if you meant to say it must be new, the answer is no. That's what she has always used IIRC. It may not be on your product because she may not have used a preservative in it

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^^^???? What? I don't get your post

ETA: if you meant to say it must be new, the answer is no. That's what she has always used IIRC. It may not be on your product because she may not have used a preservative in it
I'm typing on my damn phone lol that's what I ment to say sry.

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