Burgandy_locks, feel free to quote my dad as much as you like. That is one of my favorite quotes of his.
Also, I'm going to have to try your method. Isn't it interesting how many different ways there are of interpreting 'rinse out'?
My tips always would lighten pre-cg as well. It bothered me to no end. Since I cut the damage off my hair, I haven't had ANY lightening, which makes me very happy. Then again, I don't really spend a ton of time in the sun. I'm sure that using it only for DTs will not be a problem with lightening.
Yay! I'm gonna check the pictures out now!
You might want to try adding a tad to the bottom half if you have been having problems. Just a bit though, you don't want it too stiff. What other products are you using to style? Or maybe it would help if you changed the method or something? ie- sectioning your hair so that more product gets on the bottom half. (I'm just throwing things out there. I'm sure that a dab of honey may be what you need, but it doesn't hurt to check).
Mix of 3s, thick, coarse, medium porosity
Current hair styling technique: rake with a scrunch at the end. (works with my coarse hair)
Known HGs: KCCC, homemade fsg, honey