serum vs. natural oil

hi,
this is my first post here.

so, i have frizz prone 3b hair, and always use serum for refining touches and such. but lately i came across natural oils, like Vatika's Coconut & Lemon Oil...
Do you think that these oils can replace serum? (serum is artificial, expensive and not always effective.)

i would really appreciate your opinions good day
It depends on your hair and how it reacts. For some of us, oil would be too heavy. There are two of the "more natural" products that you can use as a serum: Curl Junkie Curls in a Bottle and Kinky Curly Spiral Spritz. I don't use gel, but will add one of these when the dewpoints are approaching and above 70.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Usually serums have silcones which will add to the frizz problem. I like to use coconut or almond oil. I use it to scrunch my hair before and after diffusing.

3b, Medium-Coarse (slight coarse charactericstics), Normal porosity & Low elasticity per Curl Wizard Profile.
Low-poo: Nourish Shampoo
Co-wash: Suave, Vo5, HE, Aussie Moist
Deep Conditioner: GVP Conditioning Balm
Leave-in: Nourish Conditioner (Trader Joe's)
Stylers: LA Looks Sports, Coconut Oil, Almond Oil, Jojoba Oil.
Methods: Wet plop or pineapple at night, diffuse in the morning. Scrunch w/joboba, coconut or almond oil.
Hey, so I finally purchased vatika. I really loved its smell, so first time I used it, I couldn't stop piling it up. Of course, I ended up with horrible hair - greasy and dry at the same time! Is there a technical name for that?

Now I have learned to apply smaller amounts mixed with a leave-in and gel, and my hair seems to like it, although I was expecting it to look better. Maybe I'll try EVOO next...

thanks for your opinions!
It depends on your hair and how it reacts. For some of us, oil would be too heavy.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Even though my hair is very porous and is classified as hair type 4a, oil makes my hair greasy and hard. I prefer serums, but the ones I like are expensive. So I will actually place 2 or 3 drops of oil in my hand, spread it, then apply to my hair to achieve a nice shine. If I want more oil, I'll have to mix it with a conditioner, then rinse out.
Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
This list is not exhaustive...
Pre-treat:various oils

Shampoo:
Schwarzkopf Gliss Kur Ultimate Oil Elixir
Clarifier:Malibu Hard Water Wellness Shampoo
PT: Gold Medal's Herbal Tame
DT:
Smooth Sexy Hair Sulfate-Free Smoothing Conditioner
LI/Detangler/
:Stylers: Lush Zeste Hair Gel, MJ Multicultural Curls

*experimenting and loving it!


Hair that's greasy and dry at the same time usually has silicone buildup. To get rid of it, you'll need to use a silicone free sulfate shampoo, or possibly a baking soda cleanse (followed with an apple cider vinegar rinse).
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
i only like natural oils. although if I was going for a straight look and I wanted it to last then I would need a serum. If you are looking for a light oil try almond oil.

I purchase my oils from whole foods in the FOOD section not the health and beauty section. Prices are better in the food aisle plus they have nice sales.
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Hair that's greasy and dry at the same time usually has silicone buildup. To get rid of it, you'll need to use a silicone free sulfate shampoo, or possibly a baking soda cleanse (followed with an apple cider vinegar rinse).
Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock
When I tried the CG method for the first time, I followed it exactly. My hair was still dry and greasy after placing oil on it. I just think that some people can't tolerate oil on their hair, or just very little (teaspoon or less).
Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
This list is not exhaustive...
Pre-treat:various oils

Shampoo:
Schwarzkopf Gliss Kur Ultimate Oil Elixir
Clarifier:Malibu Hard Water Wellness Shampoo
PT: Gold Medal's Herbal Tame
DT:
Smooth Sexy Hair Sulfate-Free Smoothing Conditioner
LI/Detangler/
:Stylers: Lush Zeste Hair Gel, MJ Multicultural Curls

*experimenting and loving it!


When my hair HATES an ingredient, it can look dry and greasy at the same time. Both castor oil and mineral oil do this. It can take several poos (For me, doesn't have to be a sulfate poo. There doesn't seem to be a difference if I do or don't use sulfate.) and 7-10 days for my hair to get back to normal.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
True enough. Fine hair doesn't tolerate oil in more than small quantities.

It's the dryness which makes me wonder if you did a final cone-free sulfate poo before going CG.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
True enough. Fine hair doesn't tolerate oil in more than small quantities.

It's the dryness which makes me wonder if you did a final cone-free sulfate poo before going CG.
Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock


Don't know if this was for me. The only oils my hair reacts to are the mineral and castor--no problem with any others. Once I found that out, the only time I had an issue is when someone sent me a extra in a swap. I look up ingredients now before I put anything in my hair. Just in case.

I didn't have to do a sulfate shampoo when I started CG because I didn't use styling products (at all) or conditioners with silicone. I actually used low poo for years before coming here. I cowashed for six months. It wasn't for me. Nine months in to CG, I used a Chagrin Valley bar and had my first experience with castor oil.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
It wasn't directed to you, but your response is certainly relevant.

My hair and scalp were so greasy prior to going CG that most of the time I was washing it at least daily. Of course now I know it was the silicones' not allowing the natural oils into my hair that caused it to look so greasy, but the sebaceous glands on my scalp must have been in overdrive also.

I wasn't able to just co-wash when I first went CG. When Lorraine Massey wrote in Curly Girl that people with wavy hair and some others would need to low-poo, I assumed I was in the "and others" group. I started with low-pooing, and alternated it as often as I felt I could get away with it with co-washing. Every time I low-pooed, I followed it with a co-wash, hoping that would help calm my scalp oil production down, and it seemed to do that. I was able to cut down the frequency with which I felt the need to low-poo very quickly. I still low-poo on extremely rare occasions, but generally can't remember when I last needed to; and I've been pleasantly surprised to learn that water washing often seems to give me the best results.

I had really good results from the start, but I do wonder if that strong, initial low-poo (Burt's Bees) actually got all the silicones off. Looking back I can see that, unlike you, I was using products with progressively more silicones with progressively worse results prior to finding out about CGing. The difference in my hair since the last of the pre-CG hair was cut off has been absolutely amazing! So I strongly suspect that I was deluding myself into thinking the "clarifying" cleanse that I used was adequate, and that perhaps it didn't have (all) the right solvent(s). I got rid of all of my old hair products as soon as I realized there was no way I was going back to them, so I really don't know which cones were on there.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
For once I have to disagree with KathyMack. Lighter oils like Sesame or Almond would probably work fine. Most are actually lighter than the so called serums which, IMHO, are really nothing but silicones.

My hair likes heavier oils in the winter and lighter oils in the summer. In dryest part of winter, it tends to want something really heavy like castor oil. Avocado, Hemp, Walnut, Sunflower, Sesame, and others have all worked well for me. Right now I'm using grapeseed oil which between Sesame and Olive Oil in weight.

Experiment! Go hit the oil aisle at a fancy supermarket. Spending $7 for an entire quart of oil is really inexpensive compared to spending $26 for KCCC at half the size it used to be :/
TIA,

Morrignu

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It wasn't directed to you, but your response is certainly relevant.
Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock
Maybe your response was directed at me? I love figuring out puzzles LOL!

Anyway, I did "wash" my hair with a shampoo containing a sulfate before I started the CG method. As I mentioned before, some people (such as me) can only tolerate very small amounts of oil in their hair, or if the effects of the oil is countered by other ingredients.

It is what it is...
Mod CG-Naturally Highly Porous and Dry
This list is not exhaustive...
Pre-treat:various oils

Shampoo:
Schwarzkopf Gliss Kur Ultimate Oil Elixir
Clarifier:Malibu Hard Water Wellness Shampoo
PT: Gold Medal's Herbal Tame
DT:
Smooth Sexy Hair Sulfate-Free Smoothing Conditioner
LI/Detangler/
:Stylers: Lush Zeste Hair Gel, MJ Multicultural Curls

*experimenting and loving it!


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