Shampoo Bar Hair Loss :(

Lorien90 · 02-09-2013, 09:54 AM

I really really loved the idea of going all natural with my hair care and Chagrin Valley shampoo bars seemed perfect. I ordered a bunch of samples and was really excited to start.
My hair is already very fine and thin so I am terrified of loosing alot of hair from shampoos.
I tried the cafe moreno a few days ago and didn't really like how it made my hair feel or look. Kinda dull and flat and less curl. I then tried the soapnuts one today and my hair felt and looked the same way. But what is making me question just giving up all together was the amount of hair that I lost using both of them. So many strands were coming out when I used the bar and then vinegar rinse and finger coming. I am so worried that if I continue my hair will fall out more.
Could it somehow be the shampoo bar? I don't know why because I haven't read anything about it. If anything I thought it was supposed to help.
I have tried soooo many natural sulfate and silicone free shampoos and they are usually ok. Some I have noticed more hair loss than normal. Particularly the shea moisture yucca and baobab. Which was very disappointing.
My hair was actually feeling and had amazing curl definition using trader joes nourish spa shampoo and conditioner. I really didn't notice any hair loss. Of course there was some, but just the normal amount. Maybe I will just go back to that but I really wanted to try something more all natural without chemicals, harsh ingredients or preservatives. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

yossarian · 02-09-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorien90

I really really loved the idea of going all natural with my hair care and Chagrin Valley shampoo bars seemed perfect. I ordered a bunch of samples and was really excited to start.
My hair is already very fine and thin so I am terrified of loosing alot of hair from shampoos.
I tried the cafe moreno a few days ago and didn't really like how it made my hair feel or look. Kinda dull and flat and less curl. I then tried the soapnuts one today and my hair felt and looked the same way. But what is making me question just giving up all together was the amount of hair that I lost using both of them. So many strands were coming out when I used the bar and then vinegar rinse and finger coming. I am so worried that if I continue my hair will fall out more.
Could it somehow be the shampoo bar? I don't know why because I haven't read anything about it. If anything I thought it was supposed to help.
I have tried soooo many natural sulfate and silicone free shampoos and they are usually ok. Some I have noticed more hair loss than normal. Particularly the shea moisture yucca and baobab. Which was very disappointing.
My hair was actually feeling and had amazing curl definition using trader joes nourish spa shampoo and conditioner. I really didn't notice any hair loss. Of course there was some, but just the normal amount. Maybe I will just go back to that but I really wanted to try something more all natural without chemicals, harsh ingredients or preservatives. Any advice would be greatly appreciated

I also have fine, thin hair so I can't spare much either : ) I also use the CV bars, but many people with our hair type don't react well to shea and/or castor oil. I have to watch shea content or my hair goes berserk (that's what Bobeam did to me, as did the CV formulas with shea high up in the ingredients). Your experience with the Shea Moisture Y&B suggests that shea is not your hair's friend, either. I use that line, but only in moderation (no more than 2x/wk).

There are several poo bar manufacturers that don't use shea butter or castor oil. I haven't tried them yet, but if you do a search for "shampoo bars" there are several threads with great recommendations. I'll post a few links when I get back to my laptop.

The bars are definitely not for everyone, so if you find that other products work better, don't feel guilty! Just do what's right for YOU.

HTH!

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kathymack · 02-09-2013, 10:38 AM

I have fine/low porosity and not very dense hair. Used a CV bar once and my hair hated it. My hair rarely tangles and it did with this bar. If I hadn't used soap bars previously, I would have never used another. I narrowed it down to the shea, avocado or castor oil. Was really careful with my future ingredients. I was able to determine that it was the castor oil. I've had issues with castor oil in products, too.

I've continued to use the bars for 4+ years with no problem. I feel that the bars help tighten curls and add volume. Natural soap/shampoo bars aren't for everyone. If you have really hard water, you can have problems.

Don't know if this helps.

Lorien90 · 02-09-2013, 10:53 AM

yossarian - I actually did not even think of the fact that my hair might not like shea. It makes alot of sense! That would be great if you could find those links though. You are so helpful!

kathymack - You may be right about the castor oil as well since that seems to be in both of the shampoo bars. So do you use shampoo bars without castor oil in it?

I don't think my water is too hard because it did lather and rinse well. I don't think it is soft though, so probably in the middle.

Hopefully I can find another bar that is better for my hair. I can try out the other samples that I have but I may just stop if it is causing my hair loss.

I posted another topic about toadstool shampoo/conditioner. Here are the ingredients to one of the shampoos I was looking into.

Ingred- Distilled Water,Coconut Oil,Cocoa Butter, Saponified Olive Oil, Vegetable Oil & is enhanced with 100% Raw Honey and Lemon Juice for a healthy shine, Fragrance & Potassium Sorbate as a preservative.

Seems like what I am looking for and it does not have castor oil or shea in it. But I'm wondering just any type of soap in my hair is not working for me. I figured maybe trying a shampoo type instead of a bar would work better. Guess I'll just try and see.
Thank you so much guys for your help, I feel much better!

kathymack · 02-09-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorien90

kathymack - You may be right about the castor oil as well since that seems to be in both of the shampoo bars. So do you use shampoo bars without castor oil in it?

I don't think my water is too hard because it did lather and rinse well. I don't think it is soft though, so probably in the middle.

Hopefully I can find another bar that is better for my hair. I can try out the other samples that I have but I may just stop if it is causing my hair loss.

I posted another topic about toadstool shampoo/conditioner. Here are the ingredients to one of the shampoos I was looking into.

Ingred- Distilled Water,Coconut Oil,Cocoa Butter, Saponified Olive Oil, Vegetable Oil & is enhanced with 100% Raw Honey and Lemon Juice for a healthy shine, Fragrance & Potassium Sorbate as a preservative.

Seems like what I am looking for and it does not have castor oil or shea in it. But I'm wondering just any type of soap in my hair is not working for me. I figured maybe trying a shampoo type instead of a bar would work better. Guess I'll just try and see.
Thank you so much guys for your help, I feel much better!

I don't use castor oil in any products. My hair really hates it. I also use natural soap bars, not shampoo bars.

The shampoo you listed has soap--"saponified" is the cold process way to make soap. Usually saponified olive oil is referred to as Castile Soap. This is just watered down with extra ingredients. You can try it; however, I don't think it's really different. Just watered down soap.

yossarian · 02-09-2013, 11:21 AM

This is the most helpful thread - lots of viewpoints & links to articles and threads about the pros and cons of poo bars:

CO or Shampoo Bars?

orange · 02-09-2013, 02:17 PM

I found the CV soaps were too harsh for my hair. A really mild, safe (according to EWG) shampoo is Curl Defining by Salon Naturals. They'll even make it without extracts if you have allergies. It doesn't suds up much, and I use it every few weeks with no problems. The shampoo bars made my hair squeaky and dry. I guess they work better for others.
edit: I saw the shampoo you listed had potassium sorbate and fragrance. Salon Naturals also has potassium sorbate, which is an OK preservative. Anything labeled "fragrance" is undisclosed and unregulated. I try to avoid those. Have you tried the EWG site for checking out cosmetics?

TheCurlyOne · 03-02-2013, 04:29 AM

I used the soapguys soap bars and this happened to me a lot too. I found that the friction from me rubbing the bar against my fragile strands was the culprit. I would either lather the bar up in my hand and then use the lather to wash..or just stick to co-washing and diluted castile soap