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This is extremely helpful. We already switched to only using castile soap for bathing head to toe and I have been hesitant to try any other commercial moisturizers but I got rid of every cosmetic containing SLS and silicones. The cetaphil restoraderm was the last to go. Also neither if my kids take baths only my youngest has the eczema and only on his legs. They have a kid friendly shower head and I try to make showers quick.
My husbands "acne" has cleared up tremendously... I think it was somewhat sebhorric it was on his scalp and back mostly. (Some doctors prescribed oral doxycycline, others topical steroids). And my acne is better too.. (no more cysts!)

I didnt think of lanolin but I will pick some up for sure. (Only ever used it while breastfeeding) I didn't know anything about cerVe but will look into it as well.
Thanks for the info!

Edit. ... how do you get a kid to take fish oil? I have cod liver oil gelcaps and can barely get my husband to take them.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
Cod liver oil is not rich in long chain omega-3s, it's fish body oils you want. I don't recommend supplements to my nutrition clients as a matter of routine, only to fill in unavoidable gaps or where playing 'catch up' is needed for a likely deficiency, I always advocate wholefoods. What is it that hubby doesn't like, fishy burps, size or number of capsules? You can purchase no fish flavour capsules, triple strength capsules, fruit flavoured liquid, always have before the largest meal of the day so they are digested quickly.

Seborrhoeic dermatitis, atopic eczema and acne are all inflammatory conditions, so it might be worth generally overhauling your diet to be anti inflammatory.

Ideally have your entire family eat oily fish itself, they would benefit from the other nutrients it contains including bioavailable vitamin D, some of the B group and various minerals. Many seafood items are superfoods that humans evolved eating on a daily basis. Possible recipes: Asian style fishcakes, homemade fish fingers, fish pate made with soft cheese and canned sardines or mackerel in tomato, fish pie with hidden veggies in the mash topping. The oilier the fish the stronger the flavour but the smaller the serving required - being 'delicate' salmon and trout are often best accepted as a plain fillet of fish. You can also get hold of omega- enriched eggs which are a useful family friendly add in.

Castile soap is pretty awful for skin, it's highly alkaline so decimates the protective acid mantle and skin flora, strips structural lipids from the stratus corneum. It's not even that natural, it's made by chemical reaction in a factory from corrosive lye and was never intended for personal hygiene. Soap was invented as a degreaser for fabrics like wool and household items - basically early dish soap and laundry powder. Because it destroys microbes so effectively it can clear up some skin complaints, but as soon as you quit they can come back with avengeance.

Better alternatives are surfactants like the glucosides or betaines in a product that is pH 4.5 to 5.5, if you like all natural I believe soapwort extract and soapnuts are on the acidic side and have been used by humans since the stone age. SLS is far from the only nasty many of the anionics are, it was SLES shampoo bubbles triggering my eczema, the olefin sulfonates are highly irritant too.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
So what then do you wash with if you don't use soap or SLS? Seems like those are the only two options... what are we supposed to wash our bodies with? Even the "sensitive soap free" stuff has SLS.
It doesn't have to be "all natural, I just prefer to avoid irritants and carcinogens and also allergin inducing things like artificial colors. I know soap is made with lye but no lye remains after saponification. Castile soap is just made with plant oils instead of animal fat like a lot of soap was made from tallow.


I have recently been more concerned about our omega 3 intake which is why Ive been trying to eat fish twice a week but I'm lucky if we get it once. Its usually salmon, rainbow trout when its available. I don't like much else. So I stared the cod liver oil capsules. And yes being a nurse I have given fish oil sometimes to patients and I cant stand the smell. Have you ever had to dissolve a fish oil gel cap in water to put in a feeding tube? Not pleasant.
Not to mention I have a hard time with the way fish smells because of my years working in the ER and having a patient come in with abdominal pain and gi upset ... what did you have for dinner? Oh never mind".. anyway I use this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001B4...AC_SX110_SY165

I love tuna, does that count?
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Last edited by Ashleynicol; 08-25-2013 at 01:11 PM.
So what then do you wash with if you don't use soap or SLS? Seems like those are the only two options... what are we supposed to wash our bodies with? Even the "sensitive soap free" stuff has SLS.
It doesn't have to be "all natural, I just prefer to avoid irritants and carcinogens and also allergin inducing things like artificial colors. I know soap is made with lye but no lye remains after saponification. Castile soap is just made with plant oils instead of animal fat like a lot of soap was made from tallow.

I have recently been more concerned about our omega 3 intake which is why Ive been trying to eat fish twice a week but I'm lucky if we get it once. Its usually salmon, rainbow trout when its available. I don't like much else. So I stared the cod liver oil capsules. And yes being a nurse I have given fish oil sometimes to patients and I cant stand the smell. Have you ever had to dissolve a fish oil gel cap in water to put in a feeding tube? Not pleasant.
Not to mention I have a hard time with the way fish smells because of my years working in the ER and having a patient come in with abdominal pain and gi upset ... what did you have for dinner? Oh never mind".. anyway I use this: NOW Foods, COD LIVER OIL 2X 2500/270 A/D 250 SGELS:Amazon:Health & Personal Care

I love tuna, does that count?
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
I adore trout, I must buy some! Fresh tuna is a source of omega-3, canned tuna is not because it's cooked outside the can and the fats are lost. Never have that does not sound fun: the closest I got to a feeding tube was making up total parenteral nutrition in the hospital pharmacy clean room many years ago.

I never used to like or eat any fish at all, I forced myself after I got sick enough not to work, I was literally gagging the first time I opened a can of salmon! Now I will eat salmon, sardines, mackerel and trout but struggle with everything else, the more delicate ones as a fillet, the stronger ones only in a recipe.

I very rarely shampoo I conditioner only wash (cationic), but use a sulphate free cosmetic 'base' for shower gel which contains a glucoside (non ionic surfactant) and a betaine (amphoteric/ zwitterionic). I've linked to it on the other thread and I buy in bulk, it's a UK supplier but I am sure you can source similar in the US.

After the last time my mother had a rash from sulphate surfactants I persuaded her to use the identical product as shampoo. Between mother and I we have atopic eczema, allergic contact dermatitis, irritant contact dermatitis and seborrhoeic dermatitis, my father has xerosis on his hands but he won't listen. I have been all but clear perhaps two and a half years, except tiny patches on my head which are triggered by my hair dye (sulphate and silicone free but alkaline of course).
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 08-26-2013 at 03:30 PM.
I'm personally a huge fan of sweet almond oil and avocado oil. Super moisturizing and cheap! You can get a quart for $15 each on amazon! They're lighter in texture than coconut oil and definitely lighter than castor oil or argan oil. I hate any sticky stuff blah!! So those two I highly recommend and they are constantly in all natural hair products!
Love my auburn 3b/3c curls!! Favorite products are Treseme Naturals conditioner and DevaCare ArcAngel(<---miracle for definition!) I really just want to GROW MY HAIR OUT!! It's not really working...
Yes.. i also use coconut oil for many reasons... some of them you can learn from here...
myessentials.ca/blog/amazing-skin-benefits-of-coconut-oil/

And you believe it really work..
this is a great coconut oil to try out. I love it. Use it all over. Not just in my hair but I put it all over my body not to mention its great for cooking. Coconut Oil.
I just started using coconut oil with baking soda and corn starch as a deodorant. It is awesome!
I was a secret user for years. Its the only thing that halfway worked. Clinical strength broke me out and I recently started getting red tender swollen areas under my arms that would come and go. They never got infected but I quit using antipersperants and it cleared up. All the natural deodorant brands I've tried so far don't work. But this stuff works. At the end of a 12 hour shift no BO!

Last edited by Ashleynicol; 09-19-2013 at 05:45 PM.
I have super dry hair and for the past month I started using a coconut oil mixture of:

1/2 tsp coconut oil
1/4 tsp glycerin
1 drop vitamin E
2 tbsp hot water

I mix these together an use it as a conditioner. I rinse it out and it detangles and smooths. Then I put a tiny bit more on after on my ends and my hair is so soft and defined.

Here is an article about controlling curls that addresses dry hair.
Controlling Curls, Curly Hair Do's and Don'ts

This is extremely helpful. We already switched to only using castile soap for bathing head to toe and I have been hesitant to try any other commercial moisturizers but I got rid of every cosmetic containing SLS and silicones. The cetaphil restoraderm was the last to go. Also neither if my kids take baths only my youngest has the eczema and only on his legs. They have a kid friendly shower head and I try to make showers quick.
My husbands "acne" has cleared up tremendously... I think it was somewhat sebhorric it was on his scalp and back mostly. (Some doctors prescribed oral doxycycline, others topical steroids). And my acne is better too.. (no more cysts!)

I didnt think of lanolin but I will pick some up for sure. (Only ever used it while breastfeeding) I didn't know anything about cerVe but will look into it as well.
Thanks for the info!

Edit. ... how do you get a kid to take fish oil? I have cod liver oil gelcaps and can barely get my husband to take them.
Originally Posted by Ashleynicol
Cod liver oil is not rich in long chain omega-3s, it's fish body oils you want. I don't recommend supplements to my nutrition clients as a matter of routine, only to fill in unavoidable gaps or where playing 'catch up' is needed for a likely deficiency, I always advocate wholefoods. What is it that hubby doesn't like, fishy burps, size or number of capsules? You can purchase no fish flavour capsules, triple strength capsules, fruit flavoured liquid, always have before the largest meal of the day so they are digested quickly.

Seborrhoeic dermatitis, atopic eczema and acne are all inflammatory conditions, so it might be worth generally overhauling your diet to be anti inflammatory.

Ideally have your entire family eat oily fish itself, they would benefit from the other nutrients it contains including bioavailable vitamin D, some of the B group and various minerals. Many seafood items are superfoods that humans evolved eating on a daily basis. Possible recipes: Asian style fishcakes, homemade fish fingers, fish pate made with soft cheese and canned sardines or mackerel in tomato, fish pie with hidden veggies in the mash topping. The oilier the fish the stronger the flavour but the smaller the serving required - being 'delicate' salmon and trout are often best accepted as a plain fillet of fish. You can also get hold of omega- enriched eggs which are a useful family friendly add in.

Castile soap is pretty awful for skin, it's highly alkaline so decimates the protective acid mantle and skin flora, strips structural lipids from the stratus corneum. It's not even that natural, it's made by chemical reaction in a factory from corrosive lye and was never intended for personal hygiene. Soap was invented as a degreaser for fabrics like wool and household items - basically early dish soap and laundry powder. Because it destroys microbes so effectively it can clear up some skin complaints, but as soon as you quit they can come back with avengeance.

Better alternatives are surfactants like the glucosides or betaines in a product that is pH 4.5 to 5.5, if you like all natural I believe soapwort extract and soapnuts are on the acidic side and have been used by humans since the stone age. SLS is far from the only nasty many of the anionics are, it was SLES shampoo bubbles triggering my eczema, the olefin sulfonates are highly irritant too.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Sulfate free shampoos: genuinely gentle
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Soap that is intended for use in laundry, etc isn't superfatted at all which makes it a good cleaning agent with a very high pH that isn't safe for skin contact. Soap used on the body is normally superfatted at least 5% and sometimes more, if done correctly. Not all soaps are created equal, and not all soaps are harmful.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Conditioner/ YTCucs
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
Now this sounds super moisturizing :-) Can I substitute the glycerin for vegetable glycerin?


I have super dry hair and for the past month I started using a coconut oil mixture of:

1/2 tsp coconut oil
1/4 tsp glycerin
1 drop vitamin E
2 tbsp hot water

I mix these together an use it as a conditioner. I rinse it out and it detangles and smooths. Then I put a tiny bit more on after on my ends and my hair is so soft and defined.

Here is an article about controlling curls that addresses dry hair.
Controlling Curls, Curly Hair Do's and Don'ts
Originally Posted by queenC


Sent from my N861 using CurlTalk App
*Natural 3C*
Wash: Liquid African Black Soap, BS/ACV
Conditioner: SM SB, YTCarrots, Organix Coconut Milk
Pre-Poo: Honey & EVOO
DC: AOHR
PT:
Super Mayo Deep Conditioning Treatment
Moisturizer: CURLS Souffle
Leave-In: KCKT
Gel:
KCCC, Eco Custard
Oil/Sealant:
SB, EVCO, EVOO
Soap that is intended for use in laundry, etc isn't superfatted at all which makes it a good cleaning agent with a very high pH that isn't safe for skin contact. Soap used on the body is normally superfatted at least 5% and sometimes more, if done correctly. Not all soaps are created equal, and not all soaps are harmful.
Originally Posted by sixelamy
Sorry but I don't agree, alkaline agents are alkaline agents, you are confusing cosmetic sensation with dermatological health. If still a high pH superfatted soap bars are still damaging, the extra oils or butters do not restore the protective acid mantle/ skin flora, nor can un-denature proteins, nor are as good as the skin or hair's structural lipids. I can assure you I have personally had dermatitis from superfatted soap designed to be used on the skin. MildER is not the same as mild or harmless.
Effects of soap and detergents on skin surface p... [Dermatology. 1997] - PubMed - NCBI
Effect of soaps and detergents on epid... [Clin Dermatol. 2012 May-Jun] - PubMed - NCBI
The irritation potential and reservoir ef... [Contact Dermatitis. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI
A new model for assessing the damaging ef... [Acta Derm Venereol. 1997] - PubMed - NCBI

Similarly silicones or conditioning agents in commercial shampoo do not stop sulphate surfactants being damaging - just 1% SLS in an emollient base has been shown to thin and dehydrate even healthy skin.
Effect of Aqueous Cream BP on human stratum co... [Br J Dermatol. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI
Influence of Aqueous Cream BP on corneocyte si... [Br J Dermatol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
The effect of aqueous cream BP on the skin bar... [Br J Dermatol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

And since we are on a haircare forum polymer chemist Tonya McKay says
"Another very important ingredient to avoid for long, curly hair especially is soaps. In the past, I have written an article cautioning users of soap to be careful, but basically concluding that it was probably okay to use soaps with an acidic rinse and lots of moisturizing agents. Based on the following information obtained from the research of Dr. Ali Syed (a hair care researcher who specializes in African and curly hair), I cannot in good conscience advocate use of any soap products on curly hair.

Soap molecules are salts of fatty acids found in plants and animal fats. They are somewhat alkaline and cause the hair to swell and the cuticle to raise up away from the surface of the hair shaft. These molecules are then able to penetrate through the cuticle and into the CMC where they neutralize the fatty acids in the lipid layer, rendering them water soluble. The fatty acids are then rinsed away in the shower and are gone forever. Use of soap to cleanse one’s hair, especially long curly hair, seems to be a really effective way of permanently destroying the cuticle layer and making the hair very highly porous. This is an example of why natural may not always be superior. It is no surprise that researchers have invested years and many millions (billions) of dollars to develop more gentle cleansers for our hair.
"
Porosity and Curly Hair
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 09-24-2013 at 11:32 AM.
Now this sounds super moisturizing :-) Can I substitute the glycerin for vegetable glycerin?


I have super dry hair and for the past month I started using a coconut oil mixture of:

1/2 tsp coconut oil
1/4 tsp glycerin
1 drop vitamin E
2 tbsp hot water

I mix these together an use it as a conditioner. I rinse it out and it detangles and smooths. Then I put a tiny bit more on after on my ends and my hair is so soft and defined.

Here is an article about controlling curls that addresses dry hair.
Controlling Curls, Curly Hair Do's and Don'ts
Originally Posted by queenC


Sent from my N861 using CurlTalk App
Originally Posted by pinkwolf
Definitely! Once I'm out of my regular glycerin, I'm going to buy vegetable glycerin. I just want to use products I already have if possible.
I also purchased Ziggy Marley's Coco'Mon coconut oil and I can't wait to try it. i bought it at Amazon.

ETA: I tried this for my hair and didn't like it. So I use it just for cooking and I am now back to my beloved EFA Gold pure organic EVCO.
*Natural 3C*
Wash: Liquid African Black Soap, BS/ACV
Conditioner: SM SB, YTCarrots, Organix Coconut Milk
Pre-Poo: Honey & EVOO
DC: AOHR
PT:
Super Mayo Deep Conditioning Treatment
Moisturizer: CURLS Souffle
Leave-In: KCKT
Gel:
KCCC, Eco Custard
Oil/Sealant:
SB, EVCO, EVOO

Last edited by pinkwolf; 10-06-2013 at 05:36 PM.
I also use EVCO to mix in my Super Mayo Protein DT. I also use it as a sealant and in my Eco Custard mix. EVCO is the best!
*Natural 3C*
Wash: Liquid African Black Soap, BS/ACV
Conditioner: SM SB, YTCarrots, Organix Coconut Milk
Pre-Poo: Honey & EVOO
DC: AOHR
PT:
Super Mayo Deep Conditioning Treatment
Moisturizer: CURLS Souffle
Leave-In: KCKT
Gel:
KCCC, Eco Custard
Oil/Sealant:
SB, EVCO, EVOO

Last edited by pinkwolf; 03-30-2014 at 01:16 PM.
I have 3b curls. Thinking of trying cno as a "glossing serum". I can't seem to get it right. Does anyone have tips on how to use it for shine during styling routine? I only air-dry.
Location: Texas
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Leave-ins: BWC, KCKT, cno overnight
Styling: BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, A-O Mandarin Magic Gel, LOTD AVG, LALSG
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I apply coconut oil as soon as I finish putting in my leave in on wet hair. I do leave it in. Works wellfor 3b dry, fine, thin hair
I love Coconut Oil and would really recommend try it out. I think everyone has different experiences because everyone has different hair. Saying that though Coconut oil is widely used by many different people with different hair and I would say it is many peoples go-to oil.
I am not great with science (and please anyone correct my science, if its wrong!) but coconut oil supposedly has a low molecular weight which allows it penetrate the hair, rather than just coat it. Theoretically this means it should have more of a lasting effect. I love Coconut oil personally, it is cheap, easy and great for homemade DC's and masks, its really versatile. I have tried a many other oils, Argan Oil amongst them and I still prefer coconut. My experience of Argan Oil was that it was hugely overrated, I used it for around a couple of months and just didn't see much improvement, certainly not worth the price tag.

But I think the only way to really tell is to try it. I usually try to see what people with similar hair types like and go from there, just to limit what I have to try. But ultimately your hair will have its own way.
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I use coconut oil on my really dry hair. It makes it soft and at the end of the day it gets frizzy. I just tried it thought so I don't know if I didn't put enough in or what.
3B
I use coconut oil and/or "REDKEN curvaceous ringlet" on damp hair

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