Bye Bye Miss Jessies and How to Start A New?

So...I did the big chop in November and since then have been using Miss Jessie's products....and you know what, I just realized I don't love them! And why should I limit myself to these expensive, sticky, over-scented products in this wide world of curly goodies???

So after doing some research, I think I'm gonna check out the Kinky Curly line. Organic? Great reviews? Silicone free? I'm sold.

Since there are a lot of mineral oils, silicones etc in the Miss Jessie's I'm wondering if I should start a fresh by washing with a shampoo rather than my usual Nopoo. Would love some advice!

Thanks!

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Last relaxer: November 2008
Big Chop: November 2009...and loving it since.
Hi, Congratulations on kicking the Miss Jessie's habit! I have two tubes of Quick Curls that I'm still scratching my head about.. I would typically advise against avoidable sulfates which are typical in shampoos, however I think the situation merits a good clean slate just knowing the gunk that MJ probably left behind. Otherwise, you can try castille soap and/or cleaning with a baking soda hair rinse but I'm not sure if this will be more effective. Also I think Kinky Curly is a good start, but don't overlook lines such as Donna Marie and Afroveda, which are also affordable.
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So...I did the big chop in November and since then have been using Miss Jessie's products....and you know what, I just realized I don't love them! And why should I limit myself to these expensive, sticky, over-scented products in this wide world of curly goodies???

So after doing some research, I think I'm gonna check out the Kinky Curly line. Organic? Great reviews? Silicone free? I'm sold.

Since there are a lot of mineral oils, silicones etc in the Miss Jessie's I'm wondering if I should start a fresh by washing with a shampoo rather than my usual Nopoo. Would love some advice!

Thanks!

___
Last relaxer: November 2008
Big Chop: November 2009...and loving it since.
Originally Posted by cassadie3
Hi Cassadie, first of all congratulations
I can't recommend any product line as I use only natural things on my hair and I hardly buy any hair products apart from conditioner which I'll stop buying when I find the ingredients needed to make my own.
I can however recommend some of the things I use.
For washing hair I use either a homemade soap, which I make with soap nuts, or Dr Bronner's baby mild castile soap which I mix with a few tbsp of shea butter.
For styling, I use pure natural shea butter. I used to use olive oil or coconut oil (which by the way smells great) but have discovered that with shea butter I get even better results. You can try a few oils and butters to see which ones work best for your hair.
However note that not all oils are moisturizing when used on hair as they don't all penetrate the hair shaft.
The few oils that do penetrate the hair shaft are coconut oil, olive oil and avocado oil (in this order). Most other oil only coat the hair.
I recommend starting with things you already have in your kitchen such as olive oil (which is good for moisturizing), sesame oil(which is good for soothing the scalp) cold green tea which can be used as a good hair rinse, and so much more.

When I have the time I do DTs.
Two easy and good ones are :
1) Plain 0% yoghurt.
2) 1 avocado, 200 ml. sour cream and 3 tbsp. honey.

Mix in a mixer until smooth and apply to hair. Put on a shower cap and leave on for about 2 hours. Afterwards wash as usual.

If you have any questions or want some more info, feel free to ask.

Hope this helps, enjoy your natural hair

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Trader Joe's has alot of great conditioners all natural, no cones or sulfates. I think the most I paid for a conditioner there is 3.99. They have great products at cheap prices. Check it out. Trader Joe's Tea Tree, Nourish Spa, and Refresh condish are awesome, I think you'd really like them.

I'm not trying to endorse them or anything, it's just that you don't have to pay a lot for great results.

-Jess
Trader Joe's has alot of great conditioners all natural, no cones or sulfates. I think the most I paid for a conditioner there is 3.99. They have great products at cheap prices. Check it out. Trader Joe's Tea Tree, Nourish Spa, and Refresh condish are awesome, I think you'd really like them.

I'm not trying to endorse them or anything, it's just that you don't have to pay a lot for great results.

-Jess
Originally Posted by NaturallyMooreCurls
Checked on a traderjoes.com and didn't find a conditioner. Could you post a link to their website and to the product ?
TIA

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Trader Joe's has alot of great conditioners all natural, no cones or sulfates. I think the most I paid for a conditioner there is 3.99. They have great products at cheap prices. Check it out. Trader Joe's Tea Tree, Nourish Spa, and Refresh condish are awesome, I think you'd really like them.

I'm not trying to endorse them or anything, it's just that you don't have to pay a lot for great results.

-Jess
Originally Posted by NaturallyMooreCurls
Checked on a traderjoes.com and didn't find a conditioner. Could you post a link to their website and to the product ?
TIA
Originally Posted by taltal


I really never thought about buying their product online, I checked and they don't offer that service. If you go onto their website Traderjoes.com, you can find a store near you. I really hope there's one near you because they have some great products. I think this bottle cost 2.99, great condish very thick, smells good, and cheap. Hope this helps.

-Jess

I am glad to know that I am not the only one not in love with Miss Jessie's. I am not trying to dis but I am mad that it seems they are pulling the okie doke on African American women with all the hype and then have ingredients which are not good for our hair in these over-priced products - like they are taking advantage of our willingness to pay for hair products. I guess there are people for whom those products work, but...if people would just do some research, they would find a world of products for healthy, natural hair, and some stuff right in their kitchens to use (like our grandmothers did). Be strong in your decision to leave Miss Jessie and listen to your hair about what it needs. Besides, I am wondering why Iwould have ever bought products from a company whose biggest salon product is a chemical "silkener" to change the texture of one's curly hair...defeating the purpose much?
I am glad to know that I am not the only one not in love with Miss Jessie's. I am not trying to dis but I am mad that it seems they are pulling the okie doke on African American women with all the hype and then have ingredients which are not good for our hair in these over-priced products - like they are taking advantage of our willingness to pay for hair products. I guess there are people for whom those products work, but...if people would just do some research, they would find a world of products for healthy, natural hair, and some stuff right in their kitchens to use (like our grandmothers did). Be strong in your decision to leave Miss Jessie and listen to your hair about what it needs. Besides, I am wondering why Iwould have ever bought products from a company whose biggest salon product is a chemical "silkener" to change the texture of one's curly hair...defeating the purpose much?
Originally Posted by sagehen
totally agree with you. in fact blogged about this today here....

that said, I feel as though a lot more people are about to go down the MJ path because the brand just got purchased by Target! Who knows, maybe the mass appeal will convince more people about the beauty of going natural...and then eventually they too will realize the magnitude of options...
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big chop: November 2009
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Good job with letting go of miss jessies! i tried it for a couple of days and it was so not worth the money! i have tons of large containers of miss jessies that i barely used!

I will tell you that I just tried KCCC and KCNT last week and i am a total fan! you get a lot of mixed reviews on the product but you just have to try for yourself! I didnt use a lot because i was scared it would weigh my hair down but whatever i did i loved it! it was perfect! you can check out my fotki under curly girl ....i started using KCCC and KCNT on day 9 and 10 I LOVED IT. hope this helps
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i know..I have so much of it left over because I BoGo'ed bunch when I thought I loved it....oh well...

so here's the thing about me and KCCC--- I lost a brand new container of it and I've been too salty to repurchase it!! But you know, I think I've just gotta suck it up and rebuy because everyone loves it and I just have to see what all the talk is about!!
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last relaxer: November 2008
big chop: November 2009
4a, fine, dense, teeny weeny coils with low porosity


I love KCCC. I've been using it for months and I get a lot of compliments on my hair. My only minor complaint is that my hair feels a little crisp once it dries, but I don't mind that so much. I like that one application lasts for days. Even after sleeping on it, I just wet my hair and perfect curls form again! I use the shampoo and conditioner that goes with the brand but I'm not sure it's worth the money. The shampoo makes my hair feel dry and I don't find the Knot Today very moisturizing. I'm still trying to figure out what to do about that...
Trader Joe's has alot of great conditioners all natural, no cones or sulfates. I think the most I paid for a conditioner there is 3.99. They have great products at cheap prices. Check it out. Trader Joe's Tea Tree, Nourish Spa, and Refresh condish are awesome, I think you'd really like them.

I'm not trying to endorse them or anything, it's just that you don't have to pay a lot for great results.

-Jess
Originally Posted by NaturallyMooreCurls
Checked on a traderjoes.com and didn't find a conditioner. Could you post a link to their website and to the product ?
TIA
Originally Posted by taltal
I know that amazon.com has this product, and some other Trader Joes prodcuts. So just check out www.amzon.com hope this helps

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Last edited by 4bcurlygirl; 02-06-2010 at 04:26 PM.
So...I did the big chop in November and since then have been using Miss Jessie's products....and you know what, I just realized I don't love them! And why should I limit myself to these expensive, sticky, over-scented products in this wide world of curly goodies???

So after doing some research, I think I'm gonna check out the Kinky Curly line. Organic? Great reviews? Silicone free? I'm sold.

Since there are a lot of mineral oils, silicones etc in the Miss Jessie's I'm wondering if I should start a fresh by washing with a shampoo rather than my usual Nopoo. Would love some advice!

Thanks!

___
Last relaxer: November 2008
Big Chop: November 2009...and loving it since.
Originally Posted by cassadie3
Ive been doing research on which prodcuts to stock up on since Im running low on some things. I had MJ on my list but Im seeing so many other prodcuts that have great ingredients in them and that are not as pricey as MJ, so I think 3 days ago I decided to scratch MJ off of my list. I wanted to get the babybuttercreme to lay my edges down (because Im staying away from using gels in my hair). So I just wanted to say that's exactly what Im doing saying bye bye to Miss Jessies...

Last Relaxer: Feb.2006
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Last edited by 4bcurlygirl; 02-06-2010 at 04:28 PM.
yep! not worth it in my opinion...what creme did you decide on instead?
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last relaxer: November 2008
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Little do alot of curlies know, the cones (mostly not water soluble) in MJ line require you to use sulfate poo to remove it totally... so at the very least a low poo is required.
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yep! not worth it in my opinion...what creme did you decide on instead?
Originally Posted by cassadie3
I decided to get several to try like komaza califia cream, bee mine LBMC, SNBE dream & wisdom, and curls WC.
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I also went for the komaza califia line, but am still trying to figure out how to use it best. I like that its not a gel, but need to get more moisture than the styling pudding alone has to offer...

either way, miss jessies free and loving it!
:::::::joie de vivre:::::::
last relaxer: November 2008
big chop: November 2009
4a, fine, dense, teeny weeny coils with low porosity


Congrats on your chop. I've used one thing from the MJ line, the DT, but it's too expensive for all this hair. I think rather than sticking to a hair care line sometimes it might be best to bounce around/ mix and match. Also that stuff adds up in my opinion, you shouldn't have to break the bank for beautiful hair. I love the Aubrey Organics poos and conditioners, can be found in Whole Foods, Vitamin Shoppe and health food stores. They have something for everyone and can be found everywhere. Another brand Giovanni, didn't work for me but works for others, can be found in CVS, bed bath beyond and health food stores. Trader Joe's Nourish is good too. I think the most expensive product I own is the KCKT. Other than that it's pretty much a trial an error situation. I am a reformed pj so I have a house full of products that I used a few times and then shunned. But keep your options open you would be surprised what you could put in your hair.
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Congrats on your chop. If you don't love MJ products, then don't spend the dime (or thousands of dimes).

You can get a good routine going with a mild shampoo or soap bar (used very occasionally), a good co-wash conditioner, a moisturizing conditioner, a DT castor oil, a butter product, a good leave in, and a gel. I tend to spend more on conditioners than any other product.

Inexpensive, good conditioners:
Trader Joes - Nourish is excellent, however I think Refresh sucks even as a co-wash.
Renpure Organics My pretty Hair is Parched moisturizing conditioner is excellent for 6.99 (13 oz.)
EO moisturizing conditioners

A good trick is to add Karen's Body Beautiful Hair Milk to a cheaper conditioner to boost the detangling properties. It takes me about a 1/2 tsp. My bottle has lasted a long time.

Pricier, excellent conditioners (very moisturizing and detaingling) - I have used them all --
Robert Craig
Mop Top Lemon Sage
John Masters Organics Citrus & neroli
Elucence Moisture Balancing
Curl Junkie Hibiscus & Banana Deep Fix
Loma Nourishing Moisturizer
Jessicurl Too Shea

Deep treatments (this is where I spend the most per product - and I use DT's just like rinseouts (not heat or serious time)
Mop Top Deep Conditioner
Blended Beauty Herbal Reconditioner

Leave ins:
Lustrasilk shea butter, olive oil or other cholesterol
Loma Imply (my fave)
Abba Pure Gentle conditioner
Afroveda Curly Custard (or whatever they renamed it)
Curl Junkie Honeybutta leave in

Gels:
Kinky Curly Curling Custard is a soft gel, very moisturizing and protective. But not cheap.
Theraneem Leaf & Aloe Vera Gel
Giovanni LA Naturals gel

Refreshers:
DevaCurl Set It Free

Butters:
unrefined shea is my fave
Qhemet Burdock Root Butter cream (light weight)





I agree with those who say bounce around. No one hair care line can do it for me.
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