Newbie Needs Your Help! :(

Hey,

I thought I finally "figured out" my hair a half dozen years ago, when I was about 15 - leave in conditioner and twisting with fingers - but after a little while of being in love with any "new" leave in conditioner I fell for, I'd inevitably have to use truckloads to get a similar result.

I stumbled upon this board while google searching for a good salon shampoo for curly hair (after a straight haired friend who has a reputation for having amazing hair - even recognised among my straight, male friends - attributed her goddess-like success to hairdresser only brands).

Right now I poo my hair 4 or 5 times a week (TreSemme Salon Silk), and use about 1/3 of a bottle of the 200mL SunSilk Anti-Frizz Daily Leave in Cream (about 70mL) each time I dry my hair.

The TreSemme ingredients read like a who's who of cones and sulfates.

The first ingredient (other than water) in the SunSilk is an alcohol, and the second is a cone.

From that I'm guessing it's probably fair to say: Hi, I'm Naomi, and my hair is a sulfa-cone-aholic.

I'd really like to hear the views of any girls who are reformed addicts, especially on whether or not you feel that it paid off lond term to give up your crutch.

I've put two photos up on the CurlAvatar (picture), the left being a lazy/bad-hair day, and the right being when I actually let it dry before I left the house and exposed it to the elements. (I'll only leave the pics up for 48hrs or so for privacy reasons...)

Any advice/opinions would be hugely appreciated!

Thanks,

Naomi
I used to be addicted to Organic Care Dry/Moist conditioner (full of cones) because of the smell and the moisture. Then it built up so I got Herbal Essences Hello Hydration conditioner. That was amazing, but it had a cone ( I think the CG method (not using cones or sulfates) has really paid off since I don't get nearly as much frizz and my hair isn't consistently dry.

The only downside is that it takes forever and a day (kinda sorta) to find the right products for your hair because we don't have a huge variety of cone-free products over here. But once your find the right combo for your hair type, the results are really good. I'm proud of 'giving up' cones and sulfates because it was a big step to take but i did it and my hair is so healthy now so I definitely think you should try it! It's a greeeat excuse to go shopping too.........
~ BIG *sexy* CURLS ~
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Conditioner/Co-wash/Leave-in: Garnier Fructis Nutri Repair/Organic Instinct
Styler: Garnier Fructis 24-H
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Thanks a heap Alannah
I was basically up all night trying to make heads and tails of it all, but think I have worked out at least some kind of semi-scientific method of trial and error that I'm going to try.

I read one of the articles on porosity and curly hair
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...and-curly-hair

And basically considered:
- Curly hair cuticles are generally slightly more porous than straight hair cuticles,
- Damaged hair cuticles are generally more porous than healthy hair cuticles,
- Sulfates strip natural oils, damaging the hair
- Cones form an artificial barrier over the hair, causing product build up and more damage
- I have curly hair, and have been using lots of sulfates and cones
Conclusion: I'll assume I'm slightly on the porous side as a starting point.

So I'm going to start with -
Co-Wash: Pears moisturising care (thanks to the forums)
Non-sulfate poo (max once a fortnight): Alchemy Unscented Shampoo
Conditioner: Alchemy Avocado/Calendula
Leave-In: Alchemy Lavender & Anthylis or if that fails that a little of the Pears
Treatment (week 3 or 4): Alchemy Ginko & Jojoba Vitamin Masque
Acid Rinse: 1:4 Apple Cider Vinegar to water

.... And if that's ok after 6 or so weeks then I think I'll try a raw egg treatment immediately before the standard procedure (to work out how it responds to protein) and a couple of weeks after that I think I'll try a coconut oil treatment immediately before the usual procedure (to work out if it likes oil...) and then consider if I need to make changes to the protein/oil content of the products...

It's all ordered, so only a few days til i'll start
Perth's Goldilocks
hi elfron,
Welcome aboard it's ALWAYS nice to have another Australian aboard.
As alannah says it takes awhile to figure out what works for you, and if your like me I always want to try new things even though I know what works and what doesn't.

Your idea of your routine sounds good. Just don't forget to clarify your hair before you start, otherwise it'll be all hell to pay later. Try to use a poo with no cones, you can usually pick them up pretty cheap.

In terms of your straighty friend with beautiful hair due to salon products, only thing I can say is: salon products tend to be more concentrated so you tend to get more out of them in a sense. However there are 'drugstore' products that are the exact same formulation minus the price tag. Google cosmetic cop if you don't beleive me. Essentially it's not so much what brand you use but puting the right things on your hair, things that work for you - not someone else. That and a mixture of good health.
A good thing to try and this is going to sound creepy but is to 'stalk' someone who has similar hair to yours and see what things work for them.

Hope that helped

ps. your hair is stunning
2 something Australian

http://public.fotki.com/curlywurlygurly/
pw:aussie

Aiming to grow hair to waist from buzz cut - slowly but surely.
A good thing to try and this is going to sound creepy but is to 'stalk' someone who has similar hair to yours and see what things work for them.
Originally Posted by curlywurlygurly
It's a fantabulous idea!! *continues stalking.......*
no really, it helps you and you can even contact them and experiment with different things together, you can learn from their mistakes as well as yours - so at least someone has got your back =o]
~ BIG *sexy* CURLS ~
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Conditioner/Co-wash/Leave-in: Garnier Fructis Nutri Repair/Organic Instinct
Styler: Garnier Fructis 24-H
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Hi Girls, I have found that Sukin nourishing conditioner is fabulous as a leave-in , I slather it in and just put a little bit of gel with it and my hair is nice and clumpy with ringlets
And at $19.95 for litre who can complain lol

Natures Gate products are sold at Priceline and I read in the review section here that the Aloe Vera one is really good, I got one yesterday but haven't tried it yet....
3A/B - m - ii - porous


Located in Sydney Australia
Nature's gate is buy one get one free atm at priceline (Well at least near me)

Also I saw an ad (haha home shopping ad actually!) for Wen the other day. You can buy it here not sure what it's like though.
2 something Australian

http://public.fotki.com/curlywurlygurly/
pw:aussie

Aiming to grow hair to waist from buzz cut - slowly but surely.
I am, well my hair is, a hairdresser product snob! I do have allergies which knocks out most of the natural products. I gave up on CG as I was having too much trouble getting CG products that I didn't react to.

I got the NG chamomile last week. No allergy issues but it isn't really moisturising enough for me. Hair would get dry if I used it every week.
My mum helped out my pj with nature's gate. She likes the volumising shampoo. Plus she said they'd last for ages - best to buy on sale haha. So I ended up with a Biotin strengthening condish, a tea tree condish (thinking it might work well as a co-wash) and the chamomile low poo (and mum's shampoo).

It's crazy my mum has the softest (and finest) hair I've seen. It's soooo SOFT(silky) but she doesn't use conditioner - weighs her down. She even colours and heat styles her hair. It's incredible.
2 something Australian

http://public.fotki.com/curlywurlygurly/
pw:aussie

Aiming to grow hair to waist from buzz cut - slowly but surely.

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