Please help me make a dye purchase at Sally's

A couple of years ago I started covering the grays...just too many to live with.

Anyhoo..the first one was a box. I have light brown hair and wanted to match it. Unfortunately, I purchased a neutral tone. I have some reddish tones and it brought those out WAY more than I liked. I knew I was in trouble when my wet hair seemed orange at the roots. UGH! I have learned that I need to go with cool tones. I have done a batch from Sally's and it was fine (mixed with a 20). I have also had it professionally colored twice. But that get's expensive fast. So I would like to mostly do the Sally's route and once in a while get it professionally done.

OK...that's all well and good, but what I don't get is the different numbers on the bottles of additives that you buy to combine with your color (from Sally's). Could someone please explain this in very simple terms to me?

For instance, the light ash brown seemed a bit darker than what I really am so I was thinking of the dark ash blonde, but I don't want to strip color, I just want to cover over what is there. Is that possible? My goal is to simply cover the gray. I want to remain as close to my normal color as possible since I am SO bad at upkeep.

Thanks
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Techmom: I just started coloring my hair a year ago due to some gray in my hair line and at my temples, not much, but very noticeable when I pulled my hair back since I have dark brown hair.

After doing some research, I decided to try a semi-permanent color. I didn't want to commit to permanent since I really didn't want to change my hair color, only hide the grays peeking out. I decided on Garnier HerbaShine. After trial and error to get the right shade, I finally got the perfect mix of light ash brown and medium ash brown. I found that with this mix my hair color lasted 8 weeks (yes, 8 weeks).

I used the natural medium brown and natural light brown when I was trying to decide on shades. But, my hair had a reddish cast that I didn't like at all. I chose the ash since it is cool toned and I don't get any reddish cast. Now, Garnier has discontinued the light ash brown. Just my luck. I have learned also that semi permanent tends to run 2 shades darker (at least on me), that is why I opted to mix 2 shades together.

I have tried Clairol's Natural Instincts (light ash and medium ash) twice now. While it did okay, the color coverage didn't last on my grays at all (maybe 2-3 weeks at the most) and my hair seemed to be drier than usual.

I'm getting ready to try Loreal's semi permanent line now. I have found that I need ash tones to counteract any red that my hair might pull.

I have thought about trying Sally's semi-permanent lines but haven't went that route yet. If I do, I will most definitely mix med ash with light ash. I get the most natural coloring doing this.

HTH.

A couple of years ago I started covering the grays...just too many to live with.

Anyhoo..the first one was a box. I have light brown hair and wanted to match it. Unfortunately, I purchased a neutral tone. I have some reddish tones and it brought those out WAY more than I liked. I knew I was in trouble when my wet hair seemed orange at the roots. UGH! I have learned that I need to go with cool tones. I have done a batch from Sally's and it was fine (mixed with a 20). I have also had it professionally colored twice. But that get's expensive fast. So I would like to mostly do the Sally's route and once in a while get it professionally done.

OK...that's all well and good, but what I don't get is the different numbers on the bottles of additives that you buy to combine with your color (from Sally's). Could someone please explain this in very simple terms to me?

For instance, the light ash brown seemed a bit darker than what I really am so I was thinking of the dark ash blonde, but I don't want to strip color, I just want to cover over what is there. Is that possible? My goal is to simply cover the gray. I want to remain as close to my normal color as possible since I am SO bad at upkeep.

Thanks
Originally Posted by techmom
3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
Thanks so much for replying. I have grays starting at my crown. I should have done more research before I started....ugh. Oh well. Now I am just trying to find a shade that matches what is coming in. I think I am somewhere between a light ash brown and a dark ash blonde. I, too, find the warms and even the neutrals too warm for my liking. I purchased a neutral at first and it really seemed much warmer.

Perhaps when I get the shade that matches well enough I will try a semi-permanent like you are doing. I think it would probably last a while now on me as well, now that I am doing cg.

On my last trip I purchased sally's light brown and dark blonde ash with the intetions of mixing. I haven't gotten the guts to do it yet though. I was considering doing the light ash brown all over and then trying to "highlight" with the dark ash blonde. I dunno though...I have had too many YIKES episodes where I call the salon in an emergency. That is more expensive than just having them color it in the first place.

I'd love to hear how you like the Loreal line and what color you used.
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Hi Techmom and SheBros. I think my color is very similar to what you describe. I've tried semi-permanent and it doesn't cover my gray successfully. Nice 'n Easy gave me the most awful orangey tint to my hair.

I've had the most success with L'Oreal Preference which is a permanent dye. (Not the L'oreal Excellence the L'oreal Preference version.) I found that I need to use two bottles at a time: Dark Ash Blonde and Light Ash Brown. Sometimes I mix them and sometimes I alternate: I make a part and streak on one, then another part and streak on the other. I hope this is clear - I'm not sure exactly how to explain it. I'm just covering the roots - not the whole hair but the instructions in the box are very easy. I find that I need to use more of the Dark Ash Blonde because even the Light Ash Brown gets too dark on me.

It's a pain in the (you know what). Good luck - if you have the time, please post back. I'm interested to know how it goes.
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
Hi Techmom and SheBros. I think my color is very similar to what you describe. I've tried semi-permanent and it doesn't cover my gray successfully. Nice 'n Easy gave me the most awful orangey tint to my hair.

I've had the most success with L'Oreal Preference which is a permanent dye. (Not the L'oreal Excellence the L'oreal Preference version.) I found that I need to use two bottles at a time: Dark Ash Blonde and Light Ash Brown. Sometimes I mix them and sometimes I alternate: I make a part and streak on one, then another part and streak on the other. I hope this is clear - I'm not sure exactly how to explain it. I'm just covering the roots - not the whole hair but the instructions in the box are very easy. I find that I need to use more of the Dark Ash Blonde because even the Light Ash Brown gets too dark on me.

It's a pain in the (you know what). Good luck - if you have the time, please post back. I'm interested to know how it goes.
Originally Posted by curlypearl
CurlyPearl: I'm still not sure which route I'm going to go. I so wish Garnier didn't discontinue the light ash brown. I got the most perfect color when I mixed the light ash brown with the medium ash brown. I'm extremely disappointed with the lack of semi permanent brands available. And, I'm also disappointed that the semis don't seem to have much of a color selection in the brown ash tones. I really don't want to go the route of permanent hair dye yet since I have very little gray to cover. But, thanks for the recs. I'll post back here when I've made a decision.
3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
I saw this kit yesterday at the store. I think I might try it.
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Cowash:TN Radiant Volume
RO TN Moisturizing .
Styling products:AVG, Ecostyler Crystal
Styling Methods: Pixie-style diffusing - total fav
Low-poo: AO Nourishing Lavender

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If you don't have much grey, then definitely avoid permanent color for as long as you can. Post back and let us know how it turns out. GL!
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
If I have already done permanent color, is there a way to undo it? What's the major drawback of permanent? I've seen color removers. Do those totally wreck your hair?

I know, I know...should've asked these questions BEFORE I dove in. ugh.

Thanks
2a (nc.com), 2a/2bFii (fia), normal porosity

Cowash:TN Radiant Volume
RO TN Moisturizing .
Styling products:AVG, Ecostyler Crystal
Styling Methods: Pixie-style diffusing - total fav
Low-poo: AO Nourishing Lavender

http://designdedication.com

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I have dark brown hair and I am also looking for a hair color to cover my grays. After a horrible experience with permanent color awhile back in a salon I am sticking with semi-permanent for now. My gray is mainly at the temples and hair line. You can see it when I pull my hair back but down it is not too horrible but enough so I can see it.

Previously I have been using Clairol's Natural Instincts medium brown. I find that at first it is very dark and it does not last at all. Until I read Shebros post I thought it was just me! I also find it only last about 3 weeks.

I would love some ideas if anyone has figured out a solution for dark brown hair.

Thanks so much!
Techmom, I'm really afraid if you try to remove permanent color you will horribly damage your hair. I don't know of a safe way to do it. Unless you are totally frustrated with your hair, I wouldn't try it.

Prell shampoo will strip out a little of the color in your hair. It will lighten it a little. I've used it when my hair has been too dark. It is pretty drying though. You can google Prell and see if there is info on the internet. It's available in most drugstores.

Udoknow, what happened at the salon? When I had salon coloring in the past they always made my hair much too dark - like shoe polish. I always buy much lighter shades of L'oreal Preference to use on my hair because my hair grabs color and it always comes out darker than on the box. Do you want dark brown color?

It's so much trial and error
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
I saw this kit yesterday at the store. I think I might try it.
Originally Posted by techmom
Techmom: Let us know how it turns out if you decide to buy the kit. There are a lot of color options also.
3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
I have dark brown hair and I am also looking for a hair color to cover my grays. After a horrible experience with permanent color awhile back in a salon I am sticking with semi-permanent for now. My gray is mainly at the temples and hair line. You can see it when I pull my hair back but down it is not too horrible but enough so I can see it.

Previously I have been using Clairol's Natural Instincts medium brown. I find that at first it is very dark and it does not last at all. Until I read Shebros post I thought it was just me! I also find it only last about 3 weeks.

I would love some ideas if anyone has figured out a solution for dark brown hair.

Thanks so much!
Originally Posted by udoknowjac
Udo: Have you tried Garnier HerbaShine? That is the first semi-permanent color I tried and absolutely loved it until this discontinued a shade I was mixing with another shade. The last time I used it earlier this year, the color lasted almost 8 weeks. I couldn't believe it. And, it took care of those pesky grays in my hairline and temple area.

My hair really grabs onto color also, that is why I was mixing 2 shades. Maybe you should try HerbaShine, a medium brown shade mixed with a light brown shade. I liked their ash line to counteract any reddish tones that my hair naturally wants to pull. I tried NI, and while the 2 shades I mixed produced good results, the color didn't last at all on my gray. And, it made my hair more dry compared to the HS which left it feeling very healthy.

Right now, I contemplating Robert Craig color (no perioxide or ammonia). I really wish there were more choices in semi permanent brands and shades.
3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
curlypearl-I had my hair colored at a Paul Mitchell school and it went jet black, Were talking Elvira back. Luckily it was around Halloween...lol. I had to get my hair bleached and all sorts of stuff done to it so it would come back to brown. It was a horrible experience that lasted almost a year to get back to my natural color. After that I said no more permanent color, at least not until I have to!

I think my hair may also pull alot of color. Whenever I get my hair colored in a salon it is always too dark. I started to do it at home because I figured I could do it just as well and it was cheaper. As I mentioned I have used Clariol Natural Instincts but it comes out dark as well. Also as Shebros mentioned it does not last at all.

I do want a dark brown shade for my hair. I would not mind a little red if that happened.

Shebros: I have not tried Garnier HerbaShine? How did you ever figure out to mix two colors? I would be so scared that I would mess it up! Was it just trial and error? I have only been coloring my hair on my own for a little bit. I guess if I use one and its too dark would I switch and mix in the lower shade? I looked at the colors online and it is a little hard to tell. I think I will check it out though. I am glad to know your hair felt healthy on it. My hair always seem to go weird after I color.

If anyone else has a great semi-permanent color idea I would love to hear it!
I do want a dark brown shade for my hair. I would not mind a little red if that happened.

Shebros: I have not tried Garnier HerbaShine? How did you ever figure out to mix two colors? I would be so scared that I would mess it up! Was it just trial and error? I have only been coloring my hair on my own for a little bit. I guess if I use one and its too dark would I switch and mix in the lower shade? I looked at the colors online and it is a little hard to tell. I think I will check it out though. I am glad to know your hair felt healthy on it. My hair always seem to go weird after I color.

If anyone else has a great semi-permanent color idea I would love to hear it!
Originally Posted by udoknowjac
Udo: It was just like you said, trial and error. My first attemp was just med ash brown (way too dark). My second try was med nat brown (too much of a reddish cast). My third try was med ash brown and light nat brown (again, too much of a reddish cast). My fourth try was med ash brown (3/4) and light ash brown (1/4). Perfect match then they discontinued light ash brown. I always choose 2 and 3 shades lighter than my natural color and mix the two shades. The HS golden shades are suppose to cast a light golden shimmer to hair. The natural shades will cast a reddish tint. Not sure if that helps you or not.

And, hopefully my fellow curlies will chime in here.
3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
I purchased the kit today. I went with the cool (ash) color because warm or neutral adds more red than I like. I'll take lots of pics and post later.

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Cowash:TN Radiant Volume
RO TN Moisturizing .
Styling products:AVG, Ecostyler Crystal
Styling Methods: Pixie-style diffusing - total fav
Low-poo: AO Nourishing Lavender

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I purchased the kit today. I went with the cool (ash) color because warm or neutral adds more red than I like. I'll take lots of pics and post later.

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Originally Posted by techmom
Techmom: Can't wait to see how your color turns out! Good luck.
3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
What's the difference in a semi and demi dye? I was at sallys looking for a rinse..... I ended up gettn a semi by ion. Will that dry my hAir out or is it just like a rinse?
Udo - that's awful! I think that's the #1 issue with hair coloring - it comes out much too dark. I know what you mean by really black dyed hair - looks like shoe polish. Ugh!
2/c and some 3A. Modified CG.
Protein sensitive
Highly porous. Color over grey.
Best 1st day method: Super Soaker
Conditioners: Curl Junkie Beauticurls Strengthening Conditioner,
Deep condish: Curl Junkie Curl Rehab
Stylers: Mix Curls in a Bottle into everything for shine. Terrible pj
Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
Every day is a gift
Yes it was a nightmare and scared me off from perm color! It took a whole day to get my hair bleached/dyed back to a color close to my natural. Then for almost a year I had to continue styling at the salon as the bad color grew out. Needless to say I will never go to Paul Mitchell School again and will be very careful before I let anyone put perm dye on my hair again!
Ok, I did the kit linked to above.

Here are my steps.
1. applied neutral protein filler to towel dried hair per instructions
2. applied base color and left for 15 min
3. rinsed out and conditioned with regular RO
4. diffused until dry
5. applied highlight paste. This was not "easy" as they say. I could have used help, but my 15 yo son said it would threaten his man-hood. lol. The finger tip applicator left most of the product on the strand wherever you started to apply and didn't pull all the way down to the end. The brush applicator (which looks like the old nipple cleaning brushes from when my kiddos were little) took my hair right out from my head. I ended up just using my fingers and working the way down my strand. I left on 15 min from when I finished.
6. Rinsed out and did a DT with my regular condish and honey. My hair feels fine, not dry at all. A bit fluffy though.

I don't mind the results, but would do a few things differently next time.

1. put neutral protein filler in the hair color (optional instructions on the npf bottle) My crown has a few small spots of gray that still show. I think because there was damp hair to begin with that the color didn't take as much as it should.
2. for highlights...get help and get a color applicator brush from Sally's and try to do it as a foil instead. I also would start from top down instead of bottom up. I started at the bottom to get the hang of it this time but had a heck of a time working with my fluffy-no-styler-added hair.

All in all, its OK. The highlights are a butterscotch color and not so drastic as previous highlights I have had.
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Cowash:TN Radiant Volume
RO TN Moisturizing .
Styling products:AVG, Ecostyler Crystal
Styling Methods: Pixie-style diffusing - total fav
Low-poo: AO Nourishing Lavender

http://designdedication.com

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