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partinggiftx3 06-02-2011 11:29 AM

High Porosity & Coloring Hair
 
Hello, I'm trying to help my Mother out with her hair. She has been dying it for quite some time now using Nice 'n Easy dye. Her hair used to be pretty curly, but now its mostly frizzy stringy and thin. The color fades very fast for her, even though its permanent. She mostly uses sulfate free shampoo and conditioner, but is pretty inconsistent with hair care. So this is where I come in!
I want to try a different dye on her. I read that semi-permanent is better for the hair, especially since I think she has highly porous hair. It doesn't seem like she can really retain color or moisture at this point.
I also think she should try a protein treatment, or maybe protein rich products like conditioner.
Does anyone have any suggestions for products or home made treatments? I just did a lot of research but having a hard time figuring this protein thing out.
Another question: Should I dye her hair, rinse the color out and immediately do a protein treatment? Should we skip the conditioner that comes with the dye? If not, how should I go about dying her hair?

Thanks in advance!

curlypearl 06-06-2011 08:45 AM

Hi Partinggiftx3,
I think it's great that you are trying to help your mom with her hair concerns.

Here are some suggestions:
First, although semi-perm is better for the hair, in my experience it didn't work because it fades and washes out really quickly. Is your mom just coloring the roots or is she re-coloring her whole head of hair each time?

I suggest just coloring the roots as they come in. I use L'oreal Preference which I found less harsh and more lasting than Nice 'n Easy. My hair is also very porous and I think using any color product increases porosity, but I don't like myself in grey hair so I dye it.

Second, I use a protein treatment in the week before I color my hair - not after. Protein will strip color so if you are using it right after putting on color that is one reason why her hair color is fading so quickly. The time when your mother washes her hair in the week before coloring - after washing it she can use a protein treatment like Nexxus Emergencee (leave on for 1-3 minutes) and follow with a VERY rich deep conditioner because the protein treatment will dry out the hair although it makes it strong. If you want suggestions for which conditioner please post back or pm me.

So, the week before coloring do a protein treatment and very rich deep conditioner. After you or your mom applies the dye, make sure to remove all the dye by shampooing. This is the one time I use a mild sulfate shampoo, but a good lopoo should do the trick also. Then use a deep conditioner for a few minutes.

Here's the breakdown in case I've made this sound too complicated.

1) Week before coloring do a protein treatment (1-3 mins) followed by deep conditioner (I only do 5 minutes but you can do longer if you have time).

2) Dye the roots. Leave dye on for at least 35 minutes to make sure it "takes" on resistant grey hair. Wash out thoroughly - consider using a mild sulfate shampoo. Deep condition.

I hope this helps and I'd love to hear the results. Good luck!

ginny11 06-16-2011 01:14 PM

Sorry if this is considered a thread hijack, but this is right up my alley at the moment. :wink:
Curlypearl, I also have white that I color. I only do the roots each time, and use different methods to deal with color fading on the lengths (every few colorings, I put color on lengths the last 5 minutes; I also use a semi-perm, the kind you don't have to mix, for 5 minutes every 3 to 5 days in between root colorings). I am just now figuring out that I need protein, I was always afraid of it in the past because everyone said it fades color. My question is: how often you have to do your roots? And, also: do you ever do protein treatments any time besides just before coloring? I ask because my hair grows very fast, it's dark brown, and the roots are WHITE, so I must color every two-three weeks.
One more question; why is better to deep condition/moisturize AFTER the protein? For some reason, my logic tells me that I should get moisture in first, then "seal the holes" with protein. Why is this wrong?

Also, I recently switched from permanent color (was using Perfect 10 for a long time, but it was actually too fast!) to Ion Demi-permanent color from Sally's. This colors my very resistant white hair very very well and does not seem to fade much if any. I use the Ion semi-perm for my in-between times to fight fading.

Thanks so much!

bluesheep 06-19-2011 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ginny11 (Post 1693316)
Sorry if this is considered a thread hijack, but this is right up my alley at the moment. :wink:
Curlypearl, I also have white that I color. I only do the roots each time, and use different methods to deal with color fading on the lengths (every few colorings, I put color on lengths the last 5 minutes; I also use a semi-perm, the kind you don't have to mix, for 5 minutes every 3 to 5 days in between root colorings). I am just now figuring out that I need protein, I was always afraid of it in the past because everyone said it fades color. My question is: how often you have to do your roots? And, also: do you ever do protein treatments any time besides just before coloring? I ask because my hair grows very fast, it's dark brown, and the roots are WHITE, so I must color every two-three weeks.
One more question; why is better to deep condition/moisturize AFTER the protein? For some reason, my logic tells me that I should get moisture in first, then "seal the holes" with protein. Why is this wrong?

Also, I recently switched from permanent color (was using Perfect 10 for a long time, but it was actually too fast!) to Ion Demi-permanent color from Sally's. This colors my very resistant white hair very very well and does not seem to fade much if any. I use the Ion semi-perm for my in-between times to fight fading.

Thanks so much!

Not curlypearl, but I thought I'd chime in anyway. :)

You can do a protein treatment any time, not just before coloring. You'll be able to tell how often you need one by the way your hair responds.

You do the DT after the PT because a heavy does of protein can make your hair feel "hard". I know that sounds weird, but it's the only way I can describe it. :confused3: When I'm short on time and can't do a back-to-back PT/DT, I use Ion Effective Care Treatment. It's thick like a conditioner and has enough slip that I can use it to detangle. I usually lo-poo, then put it in, detangle, and let it sit on my hair for about 5 minutes before rinsing out. Sometimes I don't even have to follow it with a RO - I just go straight to my LI.

Protein will only strip color if you do a treatment too soon after coloring. I would suggest waiting about a week. After that you should be okay. HTH!

curlypearl 06-19-2011 06:45 AM

Ginny, I know exactly what you mean because I'm lucky if I can even get 3 weeks between coloring my roots. Ugh they come in so fast - I color ever 2-3 weeks like you.

Also I second everything Bluesheep says and I use protein a lot because the color weakens my hair. I used to use Emergencee which is very strong PT and then do a deep treatment afterward but right now I've switched to Curl Junkie Repair me which is like a PT and DT combined. (I hate to spend so much time doing PTs and DT's so having 2 in 1 is useful for me but I may use the Emergencee from time to time if I find my hair needs it).

Good luck everyone! :thumbright:

ginny11 07-17-2011 08:19 PM

curlypearl and bluesheep, wanted to give you both a (very) belated "thanks so much" for answering my questions! After trying a couple of protein treatments, I see what you mean by the "hard" feeling. I think my hair is somewhere on the coarser side of medium, and I am longing for silky, shiny locks that don't tangle up every 5 minutes, LOL!

curlypearl 07-17-2011 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ginny11 (Post 1720230)
curlypearl and bluesheep, wanted to give you both a (very) belated "thanks so much" for answering my questions! After trying a couple of protein treatments, I see what you mean by the "hard" feeling. I think my hair is somewhere on the coarser side of medium, and I am longing for silky, shiny locks that don't tangle up every 5 minutes, LOL!

Oh, you're so welcome Ginny! How is your hair doing now?

ginny11 07-19-2011 03:16 PM

I keep making baby-step progress with my hair. I have discovered that my hair really loves FSG and CJ CIAB. But I've only done short time-length protein treatments, and I think I need to do a nice long one to get better results. I have plans for this hopefully by this weekend, because I need to touch up my roots again (actually I am overdue). And I think I do need at least a bit of a strong hold gel, too. But, my hair looks better overall, less frizzy and poofy. I'm a tough customer: I want my hair to look shiny, bouncy, and silky with nice movement, with as little effort as possible! I think my problems at this point are techniques: scrunching, plopping (or not), when to apply products, not touching hair after it starts to dry...etc. I'm getting there, LOL! Thanks for asking!

ncmejia07 09-23-2011 04:45 PM

Hi, So I'm new to naturally curly and to hair care in general. I'm learning a lot (ex no-poo, co-wash, etc) but I was wondering if you could tell me what the different abbreviations mean like EO, CCCCL, FSG< CIAB, PT/DT, AVG, CO??? I'm SO lost...

ncmejia07 09-23-2011 04:46 PM

RO???

CurliLocks 09-26-2011 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ncmejia07 (Post 1772373)
Hi, So I'm new to naturally curly and to hair care in general. I'm learning a lot (ex no-poo, co-wash, etc) but I was wondering if you could tell me what the different abbreviations mean like EO, CCCCL, FSG< CIAB, PT/DT, AVG, CO??? I'm SO lost...

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