How to obtain this shade?

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I don't know that I want to dye my hair red, but I came across this picture and imediately fell in love with this hair color. I like how it's still somewhat natural despite its intensity and how it seems to border on brown. The website where it's pictured describes it as wine.

My hair is dark brown and I'd hate to end up with a bright lipstick shade. I've mostly flirted with the idea of just going slightly lighter than my natural color or getting highlights.

Plus, do you think this color would suit me considering I have thick black eyebrows and pale skin?


Last edited by Dedachan; 10-11-2011 at 05:42 PM. Reason: grammar
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Hmmmm.

I think it would be fine with your coloring, but I'm teetering on whether to call this an auburn or not. Some stylists view auburn as brown, and some as dark red.

Are you considering doing this yourself, or taking it to a colorist? I would go with a colorist if it's within your budget, since the color charts on boxed color can be.......unreliable. Also, it may fade far faster if you use a home color kit.

I can't advise on henna since it scares the bejesus out of me.
I fall in live with some of the reds I see. But they involve a lot of maintenance, and they fade so fast that I lose interest once it starts fading.


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Hmmmm.

I think it would be fine with your coloring, but I'm teetering on whether to call this an auburn or not. Some stylists view auburn as brown, and some as dark red.

Are you considering doing this yourself, or taking it to a colorist? I would go with a colorist if it's within your budget, since the color charts on boxed color can be.......unreliable. Also, it may fade far faster if you use a home color kit.

I can't advise on henna since it scares the bejesus out of me.
Originally Posted by ninja dog
I'm not sure. So far I'm just entertaining the idea. I would probably seek a colorist. My hair is pretty much virigin, but I'm getting a couple of greys.

I'm just wondering if I'd be better off with a chocolaty brown rather than risk getting the red shade all wrong. I'm very picky about what shades of red I like.
I forgot to mention one of the reasons red shades scare me a bit is that my hair is very volumous and tightly coiled (3c maybe) and I can't help but wonder if I wouldn't end up like Bozo.

I hear you on the Bozo reference.
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I do think that if you want gorgeous red, on your dark brown, you will get amazing results with henna!

I recommend this to you because it works like a protein treatment. If you are protein sensitive it may be too much for you, but most people find it is an great conditioning treatment that strengthens. The shine is amazing.. AND it is super permanent. I worked for a hair colour company as an account manager for several years and I never knew I could have such beautiful non-damaging colour from a plant!

My hair colour does not fade at all. It does oxidize for 4 days after I do it. It starts out pretty darn brilliant orange (on the grays) then goes darker and richer looking with time.

The level I start at is 7 to 8 (light brown to dark blonde) with 50% gray in some areas. If you are starting with a level 3 or 4 it should turn out something like the picture you've posted.

Here's my results...
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It's the permanence that would worry me, if she's uncertain about the color.

Are there professional henna colorists? I might be interested in that, since my hair will be red until I'm dead.
Suzie, your hair is gorgeous. I love protein and have flirted with idea of henna for that very reason, but I don't like how little control I would have over the outcome.

I guess what I'm asking is if I took that picture to a colorist what are the odds it would turn out differently? I still remember the time my mother had her hair colored red by a professional and it came out radioactive orange.
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I would research excellent colorists in your area for certain. If you see someone with great color, ask her where she got it (hopefully she'll be honest and admit it's man-made). Check the stylist referrals here on NC, too.

I think you can definitely achieve that color, as long as you find an expert to "make it so."

(As for fading.......you're on your own.)
Suzie, your hair is gorgeous. I love protein and have flirted with idea of henna for that very reason, but I don't like how little control I would have over the outcome.

I guess what I'm asking is if I took that picture to a colorist what are the odds it would turn out differently? I still remember the time my mother had her hair colored red by a professional and it came out radioactive orange.
Originally Posted by Dedachan
thank you.

You should always do a strand test-- (especially when using henna for the first time) if there is an Indian grocery in your city, they will likely carry real henna. The one I buy costs $4.99.

Mix up a small amount with lemon juice, let sit overnight then strand test next day.. Leave in for 3 hours, rinse. Then wait 3 or 4 days for The colour to oxidize fully. Then u will know for sure.

I think you already know the answer about can you be sure--- Really good colorists are not that easy to find. If you are really serious about getting the best, you can try calling the local distributor of the better professional color lines. Schwartzkopf and Goldwell are both highly regarded, but I am sure others are good too.

Ask for the number or email of their stage artists and/or color techs. These people are guaranteed to know more than anyone else out there as the training they go through, and their experience, is huge. Hopefully you can book with them or they know the right colorist to book with.

Good luck!

Last edited by SusieSuze; 10-14-2011 at 07:50 AM.
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What's a stage artist?

Also, why does henna need to stay on so long?
Hair color companies have people who teach how to use their colour line. These Color Techs know everything there is to know about that color line. The color company employs these people to conduct seminars for salons to teach the stylists how to use the new color line they have just purchased. Or they are brought in to teach corrective techniques or as a refresher to make sure the stylists know how best to work with the color.. This is how many stylists 'keep up' on their knowledge in giving the customer what they need.

A stage artist is someone who represents the color company by presenting their own techniques on stage at hair shows, using the color company's products. The stage artist is a great stylist overall and has the flair and ability to get up in front of a huge crowd with a head set mic and talk while he/she cuts and colours.. Hair shows happen several times a year in each area, so you can imagine there are many many shows happening all over. Some companies will use local people as stage talent, and some will bring in big names to do the show circuit. If you ever get a chance to go to a hair show it is one of the most fun things a girly girl can do. It's a typical trade show, but with lots of great demos and everything to do with beauty.

Henna is a natural dye. Its is ground up leaves of the henna plant. In order to 'release' the pigment within the ground up leaves, you need to add a lightly acidic liquid. Lemon juice actually is stronger than needed. I mix half and half water and lemon. Then it needs to sit overnight or in the sun for a couple of hours at least. The dye then escapes the fiber in the leaf and can deposit into hair.

3 hours is needed to get a full deposit of pigment. This is a non-chemical process.. so there is no 'developer' of any kind. It is just pigment getting into the hair shaft on it's own so it needs time to penetrate. This means that it is also non-destructive to your hair. It does not actually chemically change the natural colour of your hair like permanent colour does.. it lays on top.

The fun part is that it is very orange the day you do it, then it mellows and darkens as the pigments oxidize within your hair shaft. The colour turns into a gorgeous bright copper red on white hair, and darker depending on whatever hair colour you are putting it on. It also makes the hair shaft stronger and thicker and shinier.

I am shocked at how well it works and how beautiful the results are. I will never go back to chemicals again.

http://hennaforhair.com/

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Last edited by SusieSuze; 10-17-2011 at 02:42 AM.
You might try going the dark chocolatey color first, but have the do some deep red/auburn highlights. That would be lower maintenance and let you try out the red before going all-out.

Though I understand the temptation to go red...
(I'm an auburn myself!)
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You might try going the dark chocolatey color first, but have the do some deep red/auburn highlights. That would be lower maintenance and let you try out the red before going all-out.

Though I understand the temptation to go red...
(I'm an auburn myself!)
Originally Posted by Jas76

Yeah, a chocolaty tone is what I orginally had in mind. Interesting suggestion. I'll make a note of that.
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Okay, it's been a while since I checked this thread, and I now agree with Suzie Suze about henna (and pit bulls, of course).

I tried a henna glaze on my roots and loved it.

If you do a strand test (or several strand tests), you can be sure of your results.

For non-fading reds, this seems like the way to go.

Are you going to update us, btw?
WoW...wish I had read this...I just tried to dye my dark brown hair to a medium red and all it did was turn the gold tones a bit red...I would love to know if there is a professional hair stylist that dyes with henna...
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That's a beeeeautiful color.... My older sister has long curly dark brown hair. She obtained a color extremely similar to this by using the red henna.. I'd reccamend trying this under your hair to begin with, to make sure it's what you want, and if it is, then die your whole hair...

I think the color would reeeally suit you!!
That's a beeeeautiful color.... My older sister has long curly dark brown hair. She obtained a color extremely similar to this by using the red henna.. I'd reccamend trying this under your hair to begin with, to make sure it's what you want, and if it is, then die your whole hair...

I think the color would reeeally suit you!!
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WoW...wish I had read this...I just tried to dye my dark brown hair to a medium red and all it did was turn the gold tones a bit red...I would love to know if there is a professional hair stylist that dyes with henna...
Originally Posted by Waves84
The henna for hair site mentions a few, I think......

Henna for Hair~ Find a Stylist to henna your hair: no chemicals ` just natural plants and beauty!

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