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Old 11-03-2011, 08:51 PM   #1
 
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Im newly CG and my hair seems so much better because of it i dont want to mess up my progress with color My goal is to cover grey, not change my hair color which is medium brown with some red and gold in it. Here are my questions?

1. Is Robert Craig a Semi Permanent color?
2. How does it cover grey?
3. How can I compare rc to choosing to use natural henna?
4. Can Henna be used to cover grey only or is it going to dye my hair too?
5. Does natural Henna only come in Red?
6. What happens to brown hair when Red Henna is applied?
7. Do stylists use henna or is that up to me to do it?

I wish I could JUST cover grey and not change my hair color. My grey is only at the crown. Thanks everyone!
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Hi ladies,

I'm newly CG and my hair seems so much better because of it i don't want to mess up my progress with color My goal is to cover grey, not change my hair color which is medium brown with some red and gold in it. Here are my questions?

1. Is Robert Craig a Semi Permanent color?
2. How does it cover grey?
3. How can I compare rc to choosing to use natural henna?
4. Can Henna be used to cover grey only or is it going to dye my hair too?
5. Does natural Henna only come in Red?
6. What happens to brown hair when Red Henna is applied?
7. Do stylists use henna or is that up to me to do it?

I wish I could JUST cover grey and not change my hair color. My grey is only at the crown. Thanks everyone!
Answers on what I know, not much about henna:

1. RC is considered a semi/demi/permament color. The permanence depends on the length of time it's on the hair.

2. Yes, it covers gray! I have used it for over 13 years to cover and blend gray in my hair. My older sis has much more gray and you'd never tell it by her excellent haircolor!

3. RC Color is much easier to use than henna: no scent, not messy, only takes 15-45 min. I haven't used henna myself but I believe it's left on overnight in most cases. RC will not dry out your hair. I have heard henna can dry it. ??

4. Henna will color your whole hair, as will RC. But if you choose an RC shade lighter than your hair, it will blend the grays without darkening or changing the tone of your hair.

These next ones are better left for the henna gurus:
5. I think you can add indigo to counteract some red, but I believe it's still going to be reddish.
6. and 7. - no idea!

You CAN just cover your gray with RC Color without changing your haircolor. If you decide to go this route, LMK and I can help you choose a perfect shade. I've had great experience helping curlies find the right shade over the years.

FYI: However, I believe that you CANNOT use RC over henna, so if you go the henna route, you'll have to wait until it grows out to try RC. I think you can do the other way around though, RC then henna later.

HTH
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I just looked at your pics. Is that your natural color? Beautiful! It seems to shine red outdoors, is it as red indoors? I ask because it looks similar to mine - it looks medium brown indoors but shines red outdoors.
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Hi Curilocks!

Thanks so much for all of the great RC info! My hair was colored and I did a BB on 6/30/11, so about 4 1/2 months ago. So the pictures you are seeing are colored hair.

However, I asked her to do my color as close as possible to my natural color. She has been doing my hair since I was 18 and knows my hair color well! So I would say it is a good representation of my natural hair color -- just a bit darker. My hair does have natural red and blonde highlights in it -- and just as you said, it shows in the sun only. More red than blonde, but noticeable outside.

I think I will go for the RC, and would LOVE IT if you could help me pick a shade. On my Fotki page I have an album called "my hair before babies" which is my natural color -- before ever using any color at all.

As I mentioned I only want to cover grey, which is only at the crown and very top of my forehead at the temple area. I worry if it will do damage to the hair. I've been working so hard the last month plus to do everything right, and bring back the curl and health to my hair.

Since going CG, I can't believe how much healthier my hair looks already! It's really amazing! I am doing so much in terms of experimeting with products, and various methods. I do love FSG and make my own. My hubbie calls it my "brew"

One last question -- do sylists/salons use RC? I recently went and got a DevaCurl cut. I know sylists are particular about what they use. Also, if I have to do it myself, do you have tips for me? I've NEVER colored my own hair and I'm nervous at the prospect!

Thank you SO MUCH for your input! Can't wait to hear back what you think would be a good shade to cover grey!
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Our hair is very similar in color, and I use #7 Golden Chestnut to blend my grays into natural highlights. If you don't mind the gold/red tones and want to turn the grays into highlights, you could use the same shade. It should not darken the rest of your hair. You can see my hair in my fotki album too.

If you want to get away from the red/gold, then you would need to mix it with a neutral. Do not use #8 as that may darken your hair, it is actually darker than #7.

I would suggest #7 Golden Chestnut, do a strand test or two on different parts of your hair (gray and non-gray) so you can see how long you need to leave it to cover/blend gray without getting too dark. You don't need to cut off the hair, just separate, apply color and wrap with plastic wrap to keep separated. Check your timing. Probably at least 10-15, it may take up to 45 if your gray is resistant (like mine). But most likely not.

You can apply the color to the strands, check the time after 10-15 min. You can just wipe the strand dry with a paper towel. If it's not dark enough, reapply mixture and check again in another 10. That's the easiest way to strand test.

Since your hair has been processed, the color may take more quickly until it's grown out. So watch the strands and time carefully.

When you're ready to color, it's best to shampoo or lowpoo instead of condition wash as that can leave a coating. The color won't stick then. Do not use styling products before coloring either. When you have found your correct timing, apply to the whole head, starting at the gray areas. If you have an SO or friend that can help, that's easier, but you can do it yourself.

When your color is right, rinse and condition wash. You don't have to shampoo, but don't use anything rich in oils, glycerin, etc as it will strip the new color. Same goes for styling products. Avoid oils, heavy creams, glycerin for at least a week until the color is really set. Do not thoroughly wet the hair for 72 hours if possible. Just spritz and style.

There are a few salons that use RC but mostly in NY. Hair Color, Hair Care and The No More Bad Hair Days Kit by Robert Craig Salon Products, Ltd.

Did I answer everything? LMK if you need anything else. I'm happy to help out.

Oh, since you have long hair, you may need 2 boxes the first time. After that, you will just be coloring roots mostly and 1 will suffice.
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Wow, Curlilocks, that was amazing!!! Thank you SO MUCH for all of that really great and detailed info!!!

I looked at your photos, and I agree, our hair color is very similar. I'm just trying to figure out if I have the confidence to do this myself! LOL! I'd love it if I could!!

What a tremendous help that was to me, and I thank you so much for taking the time to explain all of that to me, so clearly too! There is a salon in So Cal called "Curls On Top" in Laguna (not overly close but not too far) and I thought I might call to see if they do RC. They are probably the only ones who might as they are CG trained.

Thanks again for all of the help. I'll keep you posted on what I decide to do!
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Please do keep me posted! You can do it! As long as you do a strand test, you won't have any unpleasant surprises. LOL
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Please do keep me posted! You can do it! As long as you do a strand test, you won't have any unpleasant surprises. LOL
Thanks! That's what I'll do and I'll keep you posted!
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I'd come over and help out if we lived closer!
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Oh SHOOT! I was JUST in the Bay Area for my hubbie's reunion at Stanford. Drats! Lol!
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Oh SHOOT! I was JUST in the Bay Area for my hubbie's reunion at Stanford. Drats! Lol!
Well, contact me next time and we'll get together!
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Hi Curlilocks, I made an appointment for a haircut and asked if they would color my hair with RC. They said they use Organic Coloring Solutions. The salon is "Curls On Top" in Laguna. They are known for doing CG method.

Have you ever heard of Organic Coloring Systems?
I think I'm too chicken to do my own color but worry about what the product they use to color might do to my hair's condition. It's finally starting to look a lot better!

Thoughts? Thanks!!! Stephanie
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I have never heard of it before. This is all I found --
Organic Color Systems Packages

It looks like their lowest level of peroxide they use is 10%. That isn't really bad but it's going to be more harsh than RC Color.

Most salons will not apply color for you if they do not carry the brand. I think it's a liability thing.

If your hair is healthy, you should be ok with this, but make sure they use a light enough color so you don't get darker hair.

If not, try the RC route. It will be much cheaper!
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That is the correct website. Organic Color Systems is a great line. After carrying it for a few months, I realized that it opened up my salon for a whole new group of customers. Consumers are becoming genuinely angry about companies not being transparent with their ingredients and business practices, and Organic Color Systems is the only hair color company out there that runs their business with the goal of having the most natural products without sacrificing results.

They have a dedicated following, as I would guess you will soon be a part of after you see the results it can give you and your hair When I decided to become an "Organic Hair Colorist", I saw my salon go from a run of the mill hair salon to a specialized organic and "safe" salon. We now attract customers with how safe our organic products are and keep them coming back for more with the absolutely amazing results you can get with OCS.

Of course, this isnt a line you can use by yourself. This line is for serious hair colorists and stylists who want to really see shockingly beautiful, movie-like results for every client that comes through their door. If you arent the type of person to go to a salon to get your hair colored often, keep this line in mind when you need an ultra high quality color job and NEED to look AMAZING, because that is what this line is best at!

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It looks like their lowest level of peroxide they use is 10%. That isn't really bad but it's going to be more harsh than RC Color.

Most salons will not apply color for you if they do not carry the brand. I think it's a liability thing.

If your hair is healthy, you should be ok with this, but make sure they use a light enough color so you don't get darker hair.

If not, try the RC route. It will be much cheaper!
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Curlilocks is the expert here on Robert Craig but I wanted to chime in too because I have also used RC - I colored with RC for about a year and 1/2. On the plus side it is color deposit only, more gentle than other permanent colors and won't damage your hair as much. In my experience it works well if you want your hair to be quite dark. From the reviews I've read it seems to cover gray well for some people and not others. I ended up switching to a different permanent color because I couldn't cover the gray roots with the light auburn color I was aiming for and I didn't want to have very dark hair. I hope it works for you. Good luck!
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I appreciate all of the responses and insight ladies! I am going to let them do the Organic Color Systems and hope for the best. I'm going to see if they will just do the crown (where I'm grey) and leave the rest of the hair alone. I'll update when it's done. Thanks again!
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It's worth a try to see how it works on your hair. Good luck and report back! With pictures!
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I will report back (with pictures) after I'm done! Hoping for the best!
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