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Old 01-16-2013, 10:21 AM   #1
 
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So kind of a crazy subject because people can be very opinionated about this, but I want to know what people think re: is salon-quality bleach and color actually that much better than store-bought box bleach and colors?

Just quick info on what I want to do: I want to put just a few highlights in my hair. I've read so many people here caution against bleaching as it seems to loosen a lot of people's curl, so that's why I'm going to do it very minimally....not lightening very dramatically (hair is med brown, going for dirty, golden blonde) and only a few highlights so it's not effecting very much of my hair. If in those places it effects the curl minimally, it's not the end of the world for me...

The question is, though, I hear a lot of people say do NOT do these things at home because you will wreck it etc., but I think I feel less nervous about doing it myself because I can actually strand test and salons won't usually. Even if they would, then the money is an issue. I have experienced help to do it for me at home but since I'm bleaching and the whole risk is damage, I want to know if the kind of bleach and color they use at salons is actually that much better quality than the bleach and color in box dyes? Or is bleach just bleach?
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:59 PM   #2
 
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I would do this at the salon, especially if you are not experienced. Not because of curl loosening, but a little but because of damage and mostly because of color outcome. If your hair is not already naturally very light, it WILL turn at best, a banana yellow shade that you will have to know how to tone. More likely it'll turn bright gold/orange. Bleaching often takes two steps (at least) to get to the platinum stage, which is what you want for highlights. The reason you can get nice light highlights in 1 step at the salon is because they often use 40v developer, which has the potential to wreck your hair. In my years of messing with chemicals at home, I've never touched 40v, and won't touch anything above 20v. Trying to get bleach highlights twice with 20v is nearly impossible because you'll surely miss some strands and end up with a few orange strands anyways. If you don't want platinum highlights, that can be even more difficult, or platinum hair in general for that matter, albeit less damaging. You will need to lift approximately 2 shades lighter than what you are going for, and then color over with the appropriate demi, which usually takes 2 tries to completely cover up the orange. I just did a color correction on myself, I bleached out brown hair dye to the gold stage, and am currently in the process of revolting. Right now, I have a medium golden/strawberry blonde, and it'll take one more color job to get it where I want, which is dark beige blonde. This is all over color btw. Highlights are something I'd leave to the pros because it's so difficult to do on your own, unles you want to take your chances on a cap highlighting kit. I don't mean to discourage you completely, but I want you to know what your in for, because I've spent a lot of money on color corrections after color screw-ups, and those are so damaging. Feel free to pm me too if you have any more questions, I have a lot of experience with color
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:39 AM   #3
 
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Thanks so much for all your help! I definitely don't want to go to the platinum stage for my highlights. I would like to do less of a difference (and less processing time etc. to lessen damage). I've heard people back and forth that some people say it's less damaging to have higher volume developer but you need it for less time and some say lower developer for more time is better. You think lower?

And yes, I would color over top to tone it to the right stage, although the color I would buy would be a very golden blonde because I'm looking for super warm color, almost strawberry blonde (which is funny that you have that right now!). In salons before, actually, I've had them use the red toner rather than purple to tone it to very warm, golden blonde, not ash. I wonder if with all this in mind, it would make it easier because I'm not doing anything drastic. Only lightening slightly and only toning slightly. But yes, I understand what you mean. I've heard so many crazy stories of mess-ups with people trying these things at home. I was actually going to buy a cap highlighting kit but my hair is long and I was just going to use the kit without the cap and get probably the same amount (not that many) but painted on evenly distributed. But obviously aside from it being difficult at home etc. you think that salon bleach is better quality. So I will definitely re-think and see if I want to pay what it takes haha! Thanks again!
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:34 PM   #4
 
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No problem! I'd still use a neutral blonde demi for toning because if you bleach to say, a level 6, the undertone is orange. So neutral would still make it very warm, just more natural looking. But otherwise, sounds good! Oh, and you're right that lower volume for a longer amount of time is a better bet, especially if you want a warm, not super light color. 20v is generally the standard volume to be used with bleach. Also, my favorite bleach is Ion powder lightener from Sally's, very little damage and didn't disrupt my curl pattern
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:49 AM   #5
 
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Okay, that is sooo helpful! I understand highlights can be difficult, but with experienced help and since I'm not doing too many highlights, AND with good products and careful strand testing before-hand, maybe it won't be so bad....Thank you for the cautions though. Very good to know. Now just for the product....

I've never bought from Sally's and I don't really know how it works...You buy the bleach (the one you recommended) and then also a 20v developer separately? And then obviously a color to tone with?

How do the box dyes from stores work then? If I bought a cap highlighting kit, it would be the bleach and developer together with a random volume of developer and then if I bought a color to tone with, is there no bleach in it, just the color? Sorry I feel dumb, but I don't really know about buying these things...
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