Help with Dark Brown to Red hair please!!



I desperately would like to have red hair.

This is my natural hair colour -

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P.S. I used a red box die about 4 weeks ago [just to see what would happen] and it is mostly gone now.. You can see the patches of my natural colour where the dye didn't take and the faded red parts that are still there.. =/

And these are examples of the colour/s I would like -

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Two
Three
Four



I have been researching on and off about going red for months, and keep putting it off because I want to make sure I do it right and don't kill my hair. (I also have pretty severe general and social anxiety, so researching makes me stress and stress makes me ill, and I don't trust hairdressers, as I've not yet met one that I've been happy with and clearly really knew what they were doing.)

Anyway..

I'm still very new to the Curly Girl method (still on my very first bottles of cone free conditioners!) So what I really would like help with is the most CG friendly ways that I could go about achieving the colour I want. I understand that no colouring that requires lightening is going to be totally CG friendly, but I'm hoping that there are slightly "nicer" ways than products (dyeing and maintenance) that are full of the nasty things we don't want in our hair.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!



Last edited by Narttu; 08-18-2013 at 04:08 AM.
Welcome! Red is a brilliant colour, it makes me grin like a silly girl every time I redye mine, very good for my mental health issues.

I have been both permanent and semi permanent red. It's a PITA to hold onto, given you have brown hair anyway IMO do not pick a red with a brown base. The red pigment washes out leaving the brown pigment, and the brown pigment can build up over time so your ends are darker and more porous. I ended up with dark build up from 'refreshing' the lengths with box dye (Schwarzkopf Live XXL) every six to eight weeks.

First thing to do is identify what went wrong last time, and where you are at present so you can get the right solution in future. Which box dye did you use? Looks like you have a TON of (gorgeous!) hair - did you buy enough of the product (probably need multiple packs), section and work on small sections and massage in thoroughly? Did you prep your hair in any way (coconut oil, protein treatment, shampoo/ conditioner)? Do you know if your hair is high or low porosity, and is there any difference between the lengths and ends, the canopy and underlayers?

Personally I switched from whole head box dye which was very damaging, to a two step. Roots only permanent colour application and then roots and lengths with a high pigment semi permanent (La Riche Directions, like Manic Panic). That means the lengths are not getting damaged every time and TBH the semi permanent colour is much longer lasting and 'fades' brighter/ richer instead of duller and darker.

Good aftercare for reds includes conditioner only washing, cool water only, leave in instead of wash out conditioner, do not deep conditioner for some days after you dye. Another good tip is to always run strand tests on shed plughole hair, don't practice on your head.

Beneficial ingredients for colour treated hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol. The first two and the last are cheapest and easiest to get hold of. All are Curly Girl friendly.

If you don't understand any of my questions or comments please say, I am friendly but I sometimes I confuse people!
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Loreal Hi Color
Best hair dye ever, just add to developer and it will not damage. I used the color Red Hot. But they have all red shades from Copper to deep burgundy.Help with Dark Brown to Red hair please!!-imageuploadedbycurltalk1377057486.321646.jpgHelp with Dark Brown to Red hair please!!-imageuploadedbycurltalk1377057497.604925.jpg


Wow Firefox you have given me a lot to think about, thank you! Let's see, to answer your questions...
The dye I used was "L'Oreal Paris Préférence P67 Intense Red" I bought two boxes and my mum helped me with applying the dye. We did work in small sections and massaged it all in, and there seemed to be plenty to completely cover all my hair (it's on the thinner side). I didn't do any prep before applying the dye other than doing it a day after washing. (To be completely honest, I didn't know that one could or should do anything other than what the instructions say!)
I have no idea what my porosity is or if there is any difference between my lengths and ends etc :/ I don't know how to go about finding out my hair's porosity either, but I'm sure I can find something in the forums

Britanner: Your hair looks great! I love your colour

From the research I've done about the better reds to use on naturally dark hair, I'd narrowed it down to L'Oreal HiColor or Affinage b:Red .. Using 20 or 30 vol developer for virgin hair and 10 vol for the lengths already lightened. As well as something like Manic Panic or Special Effects semi permanent colours to refresh in between.
I also found a great blog post a little while ago about creating your own colour depositing conditioner using semi permanent dyes with your own conditioner rather than spending extra for something pre-made which has cones in it



Wow Firefox you have given me a lot to think about, thank you! Let's see, to answer your questions...
The dye I used was "L'Oreal Paris Préférence P67 Intense Red" I bought two boxes and my mum helped me with applying the dye. We did work in small sections and massaged it all in, and there seemed to be plenty to completely cover all my hair (it's on the thinner side). I didn't do any prep before applying the dye other than doing it a day after washing. (To be completely honest, I didn't know that one could or should do anything other than what the instructions say!)
I have no idea what my porosity is or if there is any difference between my lengths and ends etc :/ I don't know how to go about finding out my hair's porosity either, but I'm sure I can find something in the forums

Britanner: Your hair looks great! I love your colour

From the research I've done about the better reds to use on naturally dark hair, I'd narrowed it down to L'Oreal HiColor or Affinage b:Red .. Using 20 or 30 vol developer for virgin hair and 10 vol for the lengths already lightened. As well as something like Manic Panic or Special Effects semi permanent colours to refresh in between.
I also found a great blog post a little while ago about creating your own colour depositing conditioner using semi permanent dyes with your own conditioner rather than spending extra for something pre-made which has cones in it

Originally Posted by Narttu
Two boxes doesn't really sound like enough, I would use one and a half for armpit length hair that does not look as thick as yours. If you don't have decent coverage the ammonia or water evaporates too fast and the product stops working.

Did the strand tests come out even but just not on your head? Is the patchiness random or on certain parts of the head/ hair? Warmer areas can take faster, porous hair can take faster.

You don't have to prep, but if you have build up it's wise to clarify (a few days before), if you have porous ends you can work on evening that up with a protein filler and/ or spread the colour on the least porous areas first. Both hydrolysed protein and coconut oil are protective.

Knowing your porosity is about understanding how your hair behaves (how it sucks up products or colour or water etc). Or you can have a hair analysis
Pedaheh's Hair Blog: GoosefootPrints Hair Analysis with My Analysis Results
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

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