Curlies who have used Henna . . .

So does that mean any color of henna u use will have some kind of red hue or highlight to it? And it won't go away? I saw black henna in the store and was curious about. I currently use Paul Mitchell PM Shine (which I like b/c its semi perm and tends to add some shine) but its rather costly and I don't like being a slave to the salon unless I'm blonde (which I will be in the summer lol).

How is henna different from other permanent color besides the fact that its all natural?

Henna semantics (lol): If it's not reddish-orange, it's not henna alone, or at all.
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
Pure henna will only give a orangey-red color.
Indigo will give a dark blue color. Sometimes indigo is labeled as black henna even though it is not henna. Also, there are some nasty chemicals like PPD which is also called black henna. That stuff isn't henna either.

I color my hair and cover my grays with a mix of half henna and half indigo. This gives me a chocolatey burgundy brown color on my normally light brown hair. The indigo tones down the red and gives a more brown shade. The color intensifies and deepens with each application. The henna permanently bonds to the hair and doesn't just coat it so the hairs are a bit thicker. This helps to loosen my curls just slightly. Those with superfine hair might not like this effect though.

I have pics but not on this computer. I'll try to post them later.
So does that mean any color of henna u use will have some kind of red hue or highlight to it? And it won't go away? I saw black henna in the store and was curious about. I currently use Paul Mitchell PM Shine (which I like b/c its semi perm and tends to add some shine) but its rather costly and I don't like being a slave to the salon unless I'm blonde (which I will be in the summer lol).

How is henna different from other permanent color besides the fact that its all natural?

Henna semantics (lol): If it's not reddish-orange, it's not henna alone, or at all.
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
It means that products marketed as henna that claim to be any color but reddish-orange, are not henna at all, or at least not henna alone.

The "black henna" that you have seen was at best a mixture of henna and indigo, or at worst a compound product containing chemical dyes and metal salts.

How henna differs from chemical dyes depends on the particular chemical dye we wish to compare it to. A lot of chemical dyes deposit their color by using ammonia and peroxide to lift up the scales of the hair's cuticle, so that color can then be shoved up underneath. Henna won't do that, it's strong enough that its dye molecules migrate inside the hair shaft without having to lift the scales open to do so. (Scales may get roughed up a little bit from the manual manipulation that it takes to apply mud to the hair and then rinse it out, but nowhere near ammonia and peroxide, and henna isn't doing it chemically only physically.)

Any product marketed as "blonde" henna is likely to contain cassia and a small amount of henna, as well as possibly mystery ingredients. If it's only cassia and henna, it won't lighten. Only deposit.

If you want your hair to be black or dark brown, then body quality henna and indigo could be a decent option. Indigo mitigates the bright redness of henna to create browns and blacks.

If you like to change your hair color often, it's probably not the greatest option. Some people have had success over time with various henna and indigo removal methods, but that's a long and time consuming road to walk down. Henna and indigo should be considered potentially very permanent until you cut off the hair that it's in.
So far since I've used the henna (about a week and a half ago) my hair, even though it's fine, feels fuller and softer.. I like it. I think I like the idea of mixing the indigo with the henna, as I don't wanna be a red head per se.. I like the idea of having a dark chestnutty brown color instead.

I think this is the best conditioning treatment I've ever used.. but then again I'm kinda new to this "treating your hair right" thing.
"The challenge is to be yourself in a world that is trying to make you like everybody else."
"...rationality is not necessary to sell things.."
My staples: Mane n Tail (cowash), Garnier Fructis Sleek n Shine (leave in condish), Grapeseed oil or shea butter (sealing), Organic Root Stimulator Elasticitea (leave-in condish & light hold)
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overnight plop with a flour sack the strutt way
honey after leave-in
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I don't think henna is for every type of curls. My hair is very thick, and I have a lot of it. Although I love the color, it tends to make my hair dryer and even thicker, like it's coated.
For that reason, and the fact that henna is so impractical, I rather use a semi-permanent color one tone lighter than my hair, to cover some grays and for shine.
Wow, misfitcurls...love it! It turned out amazing!

Hmm...let's see if I can get some pics up. The hair is wet and has nothing in it...and it was the night I did the Henna. The hair is darker now that it's had some time to oxidize.

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2B...ish
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Products
This area is under construction as my hair type changed and nothing works well for me. I shampoo, I condition and pretty much have done nothing but chuck my hair in a messy bun for the past oh...year? Yeah, I'm that lazy.

No...going no-poo or CG does not work for me. It leaves me overconditioned and oily in a second no matter what I use, so that's not what's not working.
I finally got brave enough to go the henna route and started hennaing my hair in July. I've never posted my results, so here goes.


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my Fotki hair journey/experiment diary PW is brio (and I really need to update it!)

3A hair; coloring with henna/indigo since July 2009; normally follow the CG method. Still searching for my HG products!

Wow, Brio, the red really makes your blue eyes pop. It's beautiful!
Oh! Pretty, pretty!
2B...ish
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Products
This area is under construction as my hair type changed and nothing works well for me. I shampoo, I condition and pretty much have done nothing but chuck my hair in a messy bun for the past oh...year? Yeah, I'm that lazy.

No...going no-poo or CG does not work for me. It leaves me overconditioned and oily in a second no matter what I use, so that's not what's not working.
My henna pics

Still partially wet in this one (and with a flash on the camera)


And this one's dry (mostly, anyways) and without a flash


Crazy the color difference you get in pictures depending on the flash settings. In person, it really looks somewhere in between the two colors. A vibrant dark ginger I suppose.
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CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
My henna pics

Still partially wet in this one (and with a flash on the camera)


And this one's dry (mostly, anyways) and without a flash


Crazy the color difference you get in pictures depending on the flash settings. In person, it really looks somewhere in between the two colors. A vibrant dark ginger I suppose.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
wow, MimsTX, your hair looks amazing! can you tell me what henna combination you used? i'm thinking about 1/2 henna + 1/2 cassia because my hair gets red very easily and i think just henna would make me look like ronald mcdonald. but your hair is the perfect color.
2b with some ringlets. Modified CG.
Poo: Mop-C, GV Tea Tree, CV poo bar
Cond: AOHR, GV 50:50, Deva Low-Poo
Prod: GV DLI, LOOB, FX Gel, Mop-C Curl Creme,
It was about 3/4 henna (the lowest dye content on the hennaforhair site) and 1/4 cassia, mixed with half lemon juice and half water.

I only left it on for about an hour and a half... I had some regular red dye left on most of my hair and didn't want it to go crazy. It blended in my roots VERY nicely (roots were an ashy strawberry blond, the rest was a medium auburn that had faded a little), and stayed within a fairly believable color

ETA: If you're thinking about henna-ing, I'd definitely order some smaller samples of the henna and cassia and do several strand tests (grab shed hairs from your brush or shower ). I think I had 4 (2 with the 1/2 and 1/2, left on for 2 hours and 4 hours, and 2 with 3/4 and 1/2, left on for 2 hours and 4 hours). It gives you a good idea of where to start, without risking turning into Ronald McDonald (that was my biggest fear too)
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG

Last edited by MimsTX; 12-03-2008 at 11:05 AM.
It was about 3/4 henna (the lowest dye content on the hennaforhair site) and 1/4 cassia, mixed with half lemon juice and half water.

I only left it on for about an hour and a half... I had some regular red dye left on most of my hair and didn't want it to go crazy. It blended in my roots VERY nicely (roots were an ashy strawberry blond, the rest was a medium auburn that had faded a little), and stayed within a fairly believable color

ETA: If you're thinking about henna-ing, I'd definitely order some smaller samples of the henna and cassia and do several strand tests (grab shed hairs from your brush or shower ). I think I had 4 (2 with the 1/2 and 1/2, left on for 2 hours and 4 hours, and 2 with 3/4 and 1/2, left on for 2 hours and 4 hours). It gives you a good idea of where to start, without risking turning into Ronald McDonald (that was my biggest fear too)
Originally Posted by MimsTX
thanks so much. i'm definitely going to do the strand test. i've been box dying for years and i've still got some blonde remnants but my roots have been growing in for about 6 months now and they are driving me nuts.

i actually had a ronald mcdonald moment about 10 years ago and i had to run to cvs, baseball cap on head, to buy more box dye. but i'd like to stay away from the chemicals before i end up with a wig.
2b with some ringlets. Modified CG.
Poo: Mop-C, GV Tea Tree, CV poo bar
Cond: AOHR, GV 50:50, Deva Low-Poo
Prod: GV DLI, LOOB, FX Gel, Mop-C Curl Creme,
I'm just wondering how you decide how much to use of what (henna, indigo, cassia)

And when you are saying 1/2 henna, how much is 1/2...?


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If you go to hennaforhair.com, there are a bunch of mixing suggestions for every color and combination under the sun.

For me, I knew I didn't want a LOT of color, so I opted for the lowest dye content henna, and decided to add some cassia (adds shine, but not much in the way of color) to 'dilute' it some. As far as how much of each, I made the best guess I could from what the hennaforhair site said, and then did strand tests. I picked the combination I liked best (3/4 henna and 1/4 cassia for 2 hours) and that's what I put on my hair

"How much" of the overall mixture you need depends on your hair, it's thickness, etc. I'd check out the website, there's all kinds of info on that stuff. the '3/4' and '1/4' is literally 3 parts henna to one part cassia.
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CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
The site also gives tips on total amount of product needed for different lengths of hair. I found that Catherine's recommendation was too much for mine, maybe because it's layered quite a bit - blunt-cut hair of the same length would probably take a lot more. I just froze the remainder and have been reusing it for root touchups (I have to add fresh indigo each time as it loses it dye when you freeze it). I also add a little amla to be sure I don't lose my curl.

1:1:1 ratio of henna/cassia/indigo blends my old caramel highlights, 20% or so grey, and new growth (med/dark chestnut) into a nice med/dark chestnut brown. The greys look like coppery highlights. My only complaint is that, try as I might, my hair just will not hold the indigo. It rapidly fades no matter what I do (and I've tried every tip I could find in the forums at www.hennaforhair.com ), so I've been having to do an indigo gloss every week to week and half to keep it the color I like.

My hair's a lot healthier, shinier, thicker (it was thinning) since I started - sorry no pics. I've gotta get a digicam.

If you're unsure, I'd definitely recommend just going there and lurking around for a while like we do here until you feel comfortable enough to take the plunge.

There's a free e-book that you can order on CD that I found very helpful. It came within just a couple of days.

Wherever you get it, definitely stick with body art grade henna! FYI, I add cassia to my mix to tone down the red somewhat.
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - med./fine, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

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So far since I've used the henna (about a week and a half ago) my hair, even though it's fine, feels fuller and softer.. I like it. I think I like the idea of mixing the indigo with the henna, as I don't wanna be a red head per se.. I like the idea of having a dark chestnutty brown color instead.

I think this is the best conditioning treatment I've ever used.. but then again I'm kinda new to this "treating your hair right" thing.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo

Oh how things change.. since I wrote this post about 9 months ago, I've stopped henna completely. I was cool the first few times I hennaed, but that was short lived. After a while it did dry out my hair. It could be that it was the brand, but I know I'm not the only curly who has had this problem. I love the color henna gives, but it's not worth the dry hair I get from it.

I guess the only henna I will get from here on out is for temporary tattoos.
"The challenge is to be yourself in a world that is trying to make you like everybody else."
"...rationality is not necessary to sell things.."
My staples: Mane n Tail (cowash), Garnier Fructis Sleek n Shine (leave in condish), Grapeseed oil or shea butter (sealing), Organic Root Stimulator Elasticitea (leave-in condish & light hold)
You have to moisturize very well after a henna treatment, just like you would after a protein treatment (although henna is not protein).

Right after a treatment, mine feels very rough, but then I use KBB milk or nectar or GVP conditioning hydrating balm, and it's fine.

ETA: also, you weren't using pure henna, so we don't know that your dryness can really be attributed to henna . . .
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - med./fine, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett

Last edited by auntnett; 12-17-2008 at 01:01 PM.
I had to do a protein treatment to get my hair back into order after I used henna. Oils etc were doing nothing. Now I am quite happy with it but would have liked more colour. It is a great colour in the sun but a bit too brown inside. Also dropped my curl out a bit which I am fine about, this was actually a bonus as my hair now looks longer and drops down rather than sticking out!

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