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Old 03-25-2008, 01:50 PM   #21
 
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I have the same problem. Robert Craig didn't help me at all. Nor did the Gray Magic drops from Sallys. My hair is baby fine. It grabs color fast, but maybe this is the same reason it wears off faster too.

I have to redo my roots every 4 weeks. I really need it every 3 but hold out for 4.

I decided twice a year I have to re-color my entire head after seeing a ton of grays that were as long as my entire length.

Have you tried Clairol's Gray Solution colors? I haven't because they don't make it in the shade I need. http://www.clairol.com/niceneasy/graysolution/index.jsp

I wish they would invent color that would only stick to the grays.
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Old 03-25-2008, 02:09 PM   #22
 
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I read on another Hair product website that Satin Haircolor which you can get at bestclippers.com is supposed to cover the gray. There is a store in my South Jersey area that carries it; I am planning on trying IT next time. I am light blonde and nothing works on my white temples -- thank God the curls make it blend in somewhat!!!
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:54 PM   #23
 
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I have this problem with resistant gray hair too. I currently use Nice and Easy because I like the way the color looks, but after 2-3 weeks the gray patch I have at the crown along my part is showing again. I've also used Excellence but no luck with that either. It really stinks that this is one problem that the companies that make hair color can't seem to solve.
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:41 PM   #24
 
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tell me ladies, what color are you putting on your hair.
I am finding that no level 8's are covering, but if I go down to a 7 in the light brown's, they cover better. But then, I get the whole white/brown effect comming out of my hair.
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I agree about the Robert Craig not covering the gray if it is very much at all. They even tell you that on the website.
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Whether you're looking for superb gray coverage or to change or enchance your natural shade, Color by Robert Craig offers lush, long-lasting color for all types of hair.
I'm not sure where you got that idea (bolded), but it can and does cover even extremely resistant gray hair (mine) and hair with quite a bit of gray (sister's).

There are conditions that can affect whether the Color works well for you though. If you have buildup, it won't be able to absorb into the hair. This also includes those doing full CG, if there is conditioner buildup. I do find that it takes better on the length, or even the root area on the second time, better than the virgin roots. I'm working on a thread with tips for using RC Color successfully on gray hair. I'll post it soon.
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:59 PM   #26
 
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Alwaysaangel mentioned this in a previous post but I swear by this stuff and you can purchase it at Sally's:

http://www.sallybeauty.com/Gray+Magi...efault,pd.html

I added it to the Clairol Perfect 10 I used about two weeks ago and no grey hairs are showing. I have used it with numerous brands though and it seems to work well. I have no clue how or why it works!

My greys show up if I use a demi/semi color so I have to use a permanent one on the roots. I was thinking about trying out the Robert Craig just to refresh my color every so often. I read too many reviews about it not covering grey.
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Old 03-31-2008, 07:02 PM   #27
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tell me ladies, what color are you putting on your hair.
I am finding that no level 8's are covering, but if I go down to a 7 in the light brown's, they cover better. But then, I get the whole white/brown effect comming out of my hair.

I had a level 4 put on my hair this past Saturday.
I'll find out what's what when I wash my hair this coming Sat...I'm hoping to get a whole week of style since my hair was washed and conditioned when I had it colored!!

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I agree about the Robert Craig not covering the gray if it is very much at all. They even tell you that on the website.
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Whether you're looking for superb gray coverage or to change or enchance your natural shade, Color by Robert Craig offers lush, long-lasting color for all types of hair.
I'm not sure where you got that idea (bolded), but it can and does cover even extremely resistant gray hair (mine) and hair with quite a bit of gray (sister's).

There are conditions that can affect whether the Color works well for you though. If you have buildup, it won't be able to absorb into the hair. This also includes those doing full CG, if there is conditioner buildup. I do find that it takes better on the length, or even the root area on the second time, better than the virgin roots. I'm working on a thread with tips for using RC Color successfully on gray hair. I'll post it soon.
Please forgive me if I am wrong but I am almost positive that Karin wrote me back and when I said I have about 20-30% gray that I was told it wouldn't work well for me. That has been a while back and I don't have the email so I wrote them back again with that question just now. I do apologize if i am wrong and I cannot find it on the website. If it will work, I may be interested actually. I noticed my Loreal is not working as well as it did just the last few times since I am getting more gray. Again, I did not mean to mislead anyone!!!
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Old 03-31-2008, 07:31 PM   #29
 
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Okay this is the VERY quick reply I got! I am SO sorry again and here is the reply from Karin:

The color is designed to cover grey - it is permanent and most find that it
fades much less than peroxide dyes
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Thank you for visiting our web site.
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That was a very brief answer, but I guess to the point. I'm glad it was clarified though.

If you decide to try RC, choose a color about 3 shades lighter than your hair so it doesn't get too dark. It's easier to go darker later if needed but not lighter. I can help you find a good color if you need help, I've been pretty good with helping other curlies choose good colors.

I actually spoke to RC the other day, as I wanted to change colors and had some issues with the gray too (turning red), and got some really good tips. Like I mentioned before, I'm working on getting the info in order to post an FYI thread.

One thing he did say is that the people that have problems with the color usually have very healthy hair (like mine). Damaged and porous hair does take the color better, but there are tricks to get the healthy hair to grab the color as well. Using a good shampoo a couple of times before coloring helps (even if just on those resistant gray roots).
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If you decide to try RC, choose a color about 3 shades lighter than your hair so it doesn't get too dark. It's easier to go darker later if needed but not lighter. I can help you find a good color if you need help, I've been pretty good with helping other curlies choose good colors.
Thanks! I imagine a strand test is pretty important as well! My hair is very healthy because I take good care of it otherwise, just color roots etc. The ends are probably more porous because the color is older where I used to pull it all the way through and also because of the curliness. I don't use heat except my bangs and I keep it moisturized, detangle with a wide tooth comb etc. I may try the RC, what would it hurt?
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Hi, I'm a 47 year old curly that dyes my dark hair light auburn and I have had the same problem. I found something called Grey/Gray Magic. It's an additive that you use w/ your color and it makes the color hold better to our gray hair. I found it in Sally's as well as online @ Amzon.com. It is not perfect---I'm in week 3 of coloring and I'm getting some gray @ the hairline where my streak is but, it's much better than getting gray 2 days after coloring. I attribute the gray to new growth. HTH
PS I use Revlon Colorsilk after trying EVERYONE else. It's cheap, and has no ammonia.

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here is the reply from Karin:

The color is designed to cover grey - it is permanent and most find that it
fades much less than peroxide dyes
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Thank you for visiting our web site.
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To be clear, Robert Craig color is, in a sense, also a peroxide dye. It contains sodium perborate, which releases hydrogen peroxide when mixed with water.

Paula Begoun discusses this here:
http://www.cosmeticscop.com/BULLETIN/060806-full.HTM
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Old 04-02-2008, 10:37 PM   #34
 
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Sorry ladies, to guano this thread, but:

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To be clear, Robert Craig color is, in a sense, also a peroxide dye. It contains sodium perborate, which releases hydrogen peroxide when mixed with water.

Paula Begoun discusses this here:
http://www.cosmeticscop.com/BULLETIN/060806-full.HTM
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Hydrogen peroxide is irreplaceable, as it is the only ingredient that can remove some (or a lot) of the color inside the hair shaft in order to make room for the hair-dye molecules.
OK, that's the difference. RC's Color DOES NOT LIFT THE COLOR FROM YOUR HAIR. The amount that it would create is less than 1%. Sorry to shout, but I am SO tired of going over this over the years with you. I am living proof of it, as are many Color users. We are all using very light shades, and if the color lifted our natural color, our hair would be blond. Not so, dark as ever.

Seriously, let it go. You must have your computer set with an alarm for the word "peroxide" and my posts.
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To be clear, Robert Craig color is, in a sense, also a peroxide dye. It contains sodium perborate, which releases hydrogen peroxide when mixed with water.

Paula Begoun discusses this here:
http://www.cosmeticscop.com/BULLETIN/060806-full.HTM
The amount that it would create is less than 1%.
What is the source for the info that mixing RC color with water creates less than 1% hydrogen peroxide? I'm assuming this is from a RC representative. That the RC website misleadingly claims that their product contains no peroxide speaks for itself. I hardly think I'm doing a disservice to other curlyheads by pointing out that RC color contains sodium perborate which reacts with water to create hydrogen peroxide.

Of course, posting about your personal experience with RC color is valuable input (and it may well be a gentler dye than typical dyes), but the fact remains that it's misleading to claim that RC color is a "no peroxide dye."
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I'm not going to mince words and I'm not defending anyone, but the claim actually states that it does not contain peroxide. Technically, it doesn't. It contains a small amount of sodium perborate that apparently creates peroxide; that is not the same as containing it.
I've gotten lazy in my last posts maybe and just say peroxide free (it still is). It's just too much hassle to say, "contains a minute amount of sodium perborate that creates a small amount of peroxide"/ammonia-free haircolor. Sheesh!

Anyway, I'm done here re: that battle.
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It contains a small amount of sodium perborate that apparently creates peroxide; that is not the same as containing it.
It says on RC's website:
"Color by Robert Craig is the all-new permanent hair color that delivers gorgeous, natural results without a trace of harmful peroxide, ammonia, alcohol or perfume."

That's misleading, simply put. We have no independent confirmation as to the amount of hydrogen peroxide released when RC color is activated with water and how this compares to typical dyes.
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Can I just say that RC color STINKS and the company gives no refunds even though they "guarentee" their products?!!?
RC is a waste of money IMHO if you have any grey you want to cover.
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Seriously, let it go. You must have your computer set with an alarm for the word "peroxide" and my posts.
Is this stalking perhaps? Too bad you can't get a RO here.

Sounds like a vendetta.
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Seriously, let it go. You must have your computer set with an alarm for the word "peroxide" and my posts.
Is this stalking perhaps? Too bad you can't get a RO here.

Sounds like a vendetta.
You may want to read through my posts for a chronology. I have not looked at or posted on this board for several years. CurliLocks personally attacked me on the Non-hair discussion forum, and I responded to her comments there, defending myself. I then replied to curlsgirl's post here, which quoted a RC employee who made a misleading claim. I corrected it, and Curlilocks replied to my post here.

If you think it is better to make misleading claims [which could potentially harm someone who is allergic to hydrogen peroxide] than to defend oneself when attacked and to provide information about a product's ingredients, then that's your right, but the accusation that I've been stalking CurliLocks is ludicrous. Had I been stalking CurliLocks' posts, I'd have returned to nc.com long ago to point out her misleading claims.
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