My grey will not hold color!!

For me, I either

1. Use Bigen, which is designed to cover gray hair. The only drawback is that it only comes in dark shades

2. Use ColorWorks, which comes in blonde shades, which I blend with

3. Gray Magic, which is a product you can buy at Sally's, even as a trial size. The only drawback is that you may have to readjust the hair color since the liquid is a dark color.

Hope this helps
When I first had gray popping up, I used RC color successfully. I used the #7 and got med-dark brown hair. The trick to it was pooing but not conditioning or adding any stylers the day before coloring and then avoiding CK and any condishes/stylers with oils, glycerin, or lots of protein for a few days. I did even better if I didn't wet it for 2-3 days.

After a year or so, suddenly my hair stopped holding onto the RC color. My grays would reappear several days after I starting washing-conditioning-styling (with my "safe" products, after the 2-3 day waiting period).

I was really impressed that Robert Craig called me himself and discussed what I had tried so far. He confirmed that I was doing everything he would suggest (no condish/stylers before, no wetting for 2-3 days, only using RC conditioner for the week following to be extra safe (it's a great condish whether you choose to use the haircolor or not) and avoiding riskier stylers for that week. He said it sounded like either the color wasn't strong enough to penetrate into the cortex of my hair (because it is so gentle) and therefore was being washed off the outside or, less likely but still possible, my cuticle wasn't reclamping down to protect the cortex afterward and was being washed out of there.

I suggest starting with RC color and the really narrow routine I've detailed above first because RC color is so gentle and didn't disturb my curl pattern at all. If it works for you, you'll be using a great option for your curls. If not, Robert Craig's website was great about offering a refund.

My DH has short, slightly wavy hair, and we use L'Oreal Excellence on him. L'Oreal Preference didn't take on his gray-white (prematurely was 100% gray in his early 30s). I wouldn't suggest jumping straight to the Excellence though because his hair does look somewhat damaged, even with being short (average man's length, not super-short for a man or anything).
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I use L'Oreal Excellence and found that it doesn't damage my hair. Then again I'll use a silicone conditioner (Feria conditioner with amodimethicone) right afterwards and that might help. It's an easy cone to wash out if you're CG, but might help in retaining the color and conditioning the hair, at least short-term. I don't use the conditioner in the box as it has protein and makes my hair frizz like there's no tomorrow.

However, I'm finding that it's not taking care of all of the gray. I use a hair mascara from Sally's to temporily cover the gray (and roots) in between coloring and that helps some, but I would like to find something better as well.

It seems that some grays are just too stubborn to be colored. It seems from the posts I'm reading that people have had varying successes with a whole variety of different brands.

I'm going to continue with L'Oreal Excellence but leave it on a little longer each time and continue with my hair mascara.
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.


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I'm about 40% gray at this point and leaving the color on for the recommended 20-25 minutes wasn't really doing much to get through the gray at all (I use Feria).

But what I do now is leave it on for about 40 minutes, and that does the trick with no problem. I'm sure you're really not supposed to leave it on that long but it does work.

But if you're going to do that, definitely experiment with how long to leave it on beyond the 20-25 minutes. Start in 5 minute increments so you don't end up with color that's too dark.
There's a new product called "No Gray" by Developlus that's supposed to work way better than the Gray Magic Drops from Sally's. (You add it to your regular hair color mixture).

http://www.developlus.com/products/nogray/index.html

It's $6 at Rite Aid drugstore.
I re-henna my hair every week, because I think a lot of the problem with gray popping up so quickly is re-growth, not dye-failure. Grays are very eye-catching, especially on darker-haired folks because the contrast is so great, so it always looks like more than it is. Doing weekly roots-only hennas has solved my problem. Sure, it's a pain to color every week, but I figure if I'm going to dye and keep up the pretense that I'm not gray, then I should do it often. I hate seeing women walking around with gray roots showing, and I hate it even more on myself.
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I re-henna my hair every week, because I think a lot of the problem with gray popping up so quickly is re-growth, not dye-failure. Grays are very eye-catching, especially on darker-haired folks because the contrast is so great, so it always looks like more than it is. Doing weekly roots-only hennas has solved my problem. Sure, it's a pain to color every week, but I figure if I'm going to dye and keep up the pretense that I'm not gray, then I should do it often. I hate seeing women walking around with gray roots showing, and I hate it even more on myself.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Does Henna fade or is it totally permanent? I'd like to try Indigo 'cause I want dark brown/blackish hair.

Speckla
Henna is pretty much totally permanent. Totally! Permanent! Indigo fades on some people, but the most common scenario seems to be that it fades after the first application or two, then start to be permanent.

Don't gamble on indigo fading for you though. It's permanent for many after the first application, and tends not to bleach out ever. If you try to it becomes yellow bleached hair + blue indigo = green.

Indigo should only be used in conjunction with henna in some way. Otherwise blue + your greys = blue.
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Don't gamble on indigo fading for you though. It's permanent for many after the first application, and tends not to bleach out ever. If you try to it becomes yellow bleached hair + blue indigo = green.

Indigo should only be used in conjunction with henna in some way. Otherwise blue + your greys = blue.
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
I don't think it'd be for me because I want to stop coloring my hair some time in the next five years. I'm pretty sure I'll be atleast 50% grey by then and want to be natural. Guess I'll stick with semi-permanent.

Speckla
I re-henna my hair every week, because I think a lot of the problem with gray popping up so quickly is re-growth, not dye-failure. Grays are very eye-catching, especially on darker-haired folks because the contrast is so great, so it always looks like more than it is. Doing weekly roots-only hennas has solved my problem. Sure, it's a pain to color every week, but I figure if I'm going to dye and keep up the pretense that I'm not gray, then I should do it often. I hate seeing women walking around with gray roots showing, and I hate it even more on myself.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Does Henna fade or is it totally permanent? I'd like to try Indigo 'cause I want dark brown/blackish hair.

Speckla
Originally Posted by Speckla

Henna is permanent. Really permanent. Nothing will take it out, not even those color-removal-kits. It must be grown out. Indigo does not fade on me, so I don't like to go over the same area more than twice with indigo, otherwise it gets too dark.
I have never done an ACV or anything... and I'm wondering if that would help before I did the deed?
Originally Posted by CurlyBrat
What's an ACV, please?
Originally Posted by dembidj
Apple cider vinegar rinse??

Speckla
Originally Posted by Speckla
I have fine, resistant around the hairline grey/white(maybe 68% overall) I color light golden blnde,( am natural drker blnde)professionally. with a loreal, no ammonia product. I found glycerin pulls the golden(and I hear red) tones right out. So I ditched that,used a vinegar rinse,with light condish(usually Biolage condish balm over) ,within 1- 3 days, then dont co, or anything for 2-3 days. when I did all cowashingand no glycerine colot lasted all way (seamless regrowth, and I wear my hair back,a lot, no part) lasted me, no kidding , a day shy of 2 mo.'s. Had a hair shedding/falling problem, recently ,so tried some shampoos(derm organic argan, creme, no larther, and soem averda samples,lbut they contained glycerinep) and a glycerine styler,aveda said they use hi quality glycerine,and I love a redhead(slivola's) hair on this forum that uses it....bad move Im at a mo. with the most grey hair all over my hairline Ive seen in couple years ,So back to co.'s and no build up products, and maybe a biweekly watered down safe lopoo,mixed with a condioner in a squirt bottle to do scalp, followed by the vinegar.rinse(1-10 ratio) Vinegar acidifies, or closes the hair shaft, after an alkaline treatment, like color or shampoo,hence opens the shaft, color falls out. works on clothes too, for setting the dye, before washing!
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There is a product line called Trionics. They manufacture developers. Their grey be gone developer is equivalent to a 17% peroxide and you process under heat for 15 minutes. Find a salon that uses it, or find an open minded stylist who would purchase it especially for you. I guarantee it to cover the most resistant grey or pure white hair. It's an excellent product

I didn't have time to read through all 70 of the replies to this thread. Please accept my apoligies if you've already found a soloution to your problem.

Take care

Crystal

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