hair dye over henna

my sister convinced me to henna my hair last year (november-ish). now I have all these white hairs (am getting old *sob*) and I don't want to henna my hair because a) it's smelly and b) it takes too long. but I went to the hairdresser's today and she did a strand test. the hair she tested became fragile when wet and would break off when pulled.

what do I do now? strand test some more? wait 5 years until it grows out (I have long hair).

please help.
What kind of henna did you use? What color is it now and what is the desired result? What did she try to treat it with?
What kind of henna did you use? What color is it now and what is the desired result? What did she try to treat it with?
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
it was plain henna (red) to which she added coffee and tea to make it dark. on my dark brown hair, it now looks brown with a faint red tint. I'd love to go deep golden brown but it seems with the henna in my hair, it's out of the question? I'd settle for just covering the grey.

the hairdresser didn't treat it. she just dyed a patch to test it out and it broke off.
Lightening it is a tough road to hoe. A much simpler option would be to match your brown, and use a semi- or demi-permanent in that. It's a great idea to strand test those also, but without lighteners those shouldn't weaken the hair like that.
Lightening it is a tough road to hoe. A much simpler option would be to match your brown, and use a semi- or demi-permanent in that. It's a great idea to strand test those also, but without lighteners those shouldn't weaken the hair like that.
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
but even the dark dark red she put on made it very weak.
That's weird... I assumed she was trying to lift it first and leaving bleach on a long time.

Did this henna have a brand name or anything? Where did you get it?
That's weird... I assumed she was trying to lift it first and leaving bleach on a long time.

Did this henna have a brand name or anything? Where did you get it?
Originally Posted by Riot Crrl
well she lifted a section and just dyed another section without lifting it. they were both bad but the bleached section was much worse.

I don't know where my sister got the henna. I'm very upset about this. I don't want to henna my hair again but I hate the grey.
I got OTC dye (loreal excellence) and did a patch test. it came out fine so I dyed all of it. my hair survived
How strange. That's got peroxide too I think. Maybe it's a small enough amount compared to the salon product that it didn't react, if the henna was compound.

Well, awesome anyway.
You know, my eyebrow threader told me that she would not recommend henna. I thought it odd and at a later visit I asked why. She cited that it would cause more grey and also, when you stopped using it the hair would become weak. I didn't believe her until I stopped... I found my hair broke off. Mind you, I was relaxing again, but she did warn me against that as well.
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You know, my eyebrow threader told me that she would not recommend henna. I thought it odd and at a later visit I asked why. She cited that it would cause more grey and also, when you stopped using it the hair would become weak. I didn't believe her until I stopped... I found my hair broke off. Mind you, I was relaxing again, but she did warn me against that as well.
Originally Posted by Vainity


I don't believe that. I've gone back and forth with using-henna and not-using-henna for many years and never had a breakage or weakness problem, nor extra gray. Sure, I'm more gray than I was 10 years ago...but I'm 10 years older. I have the appropriate amount of gray for the age that I am. My hair is always thicker, shinier, and healthier when I'm in a using-henna phase, and I get some damage when I'm in a commercial-hairdye phase (but the damage is from the commercial hairdye, not from the henna).

Hairdressers seem to say the craziest things. I had one who told me that washing my hair every day would make me gray early (this was when I was about 10 years old). A poster on the general hair board said her hairdresser told her that wetting her hair every day would make it fall out. WTF? Crazy stuff.

In your case, I would blame the relaxer first before blaming a plant dye. Now if you're threader was referring to her own experience with a compound henna from a dubious source...she might be right. Who knows what they put in that crap. Henna is completely unregulated, and, especially in foreign countries, they seem to call any kind of haircolor "henna", so it's very important to only use body-art-quality henna on hair, and to know your source.
To each her own... I don't use Henna anymore, nor relaxer and my hair is coming in strong. So, while I'm not saying that my breakage was because of the Henna, I am not saying that it wasn't either.

You know, my eyebrow threader told me that she would not recommend henna. I thought it odd and at a later visit I asked why. She cited that it would cause more grey and also, when you stopped using it the hair would become weak. I didn't believe her until I stopped... I found my hair broke off. Mind you, I was relaxing again, but she did warn me against that as well.
Originally Posted by Vainity


I don't believe that. I've gone back and forth with using-henna and not-using-henna for many years and never had a breakage or weakness problem, nor extra gray. Sure, I'm more gray than I was 10 years ago...but I'm 10 years older. I have the appropriate amount of gray for the age that I am. My hair is always thicker, shinier, and healthier when I'm in a using-henna phase, and I get some damage when I'm in a commercial-hairdye phase (but the damage is from the commercial hairdye, not from the henna).

Hairdressers seem to say the craziest things. I had one who told me that washing my hair every day would make me gray early (this was when I was about 10 years old). A poster on the general hair board said her hairdresser told her that wetting her hair every day would make it fall out. WTF? Crazy stuff.

In your case, I would blame the relaxer first before blaming a plant dye. Now if you're threader was referring to her own experience with a compound henna from a dubious source...she might be right. Who knows what they put in that crap. Henna is completely unregulated, and, especially in foreign countries, they seem to call any kind of haircolor "henna", so it's very important to only use body-art-quality henna on hair, and to know your source.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
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To the OP, you should be able to die over the henna. Normally they tell you to wait 6 months to a year before applying henna after dye, it could be recommended the same time to dye over.

I would say be very careful though and do a test patch in advance since some people have had bad reactions and there's no telling what sort of affects might arise even though the length of time designates that it you would be in the clear.

After the dye. I recommend mass conditioning and keep it conditioning to minimize any possible damage. I don't like messing with Henna and conventional dyes unless I plan on chopping off my hair to the roots where there is no dye.

To me, Henna is far more of a committment than hair dye is since it's uncertain how it can react to other products in the hair and for how long that lasts.
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For the other posters: I just saw some of the convo. Actually each person reacts differently to henna. I heard of a story of someone who put on henna after a dye after about 6 months and her hair sort of incinerated. There are some serious horror stories and some of it could be due to the type of henna and/or henna mix applied.

So when the poster claims her hair broke off possibly after stopping the henna use, she might be right. Henna is not monitored and as mentioned earlier depending on grade or type or how long and mix you can get a multitude of different results.

I know a lot of people don't recommend Henna, and although I'm a devout henna user (I use it minimally throughout the year), I don't easily recommend it because of the commitment and especially if a person uses a lot of different products.
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The permanent haircolor that I use, Clairol's Textures and Tones, says not to use it on hair that has henna in it. Wait until all the henna grows out. I wouldn't risk it.
I did henna once, the smell made me sick, and it was time consuming but it came out nice. I'll stick with hair color! I would love to go from a dark brown to a light ash brown (I dislike red tones). Any suggestion on what brand(s) of hair color I should use on my hair which is probably a 4a, fine, thick, and healthy. And, should I really go to a pro????
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