New DevaCurl One Condition ingredients

Then, when I began to use the products they were already with new ingredients.
At present, all the products what I have of the mark are already with the new labels.
Brazilian Curly Girl

Although I wish there were a drug that would make me follow along more often without questioning (as do my boyfriend & coworkers) because it would make my life ALOT easier, I tend to be a reader & (over)analyzer. I don't see this as a "whole can of worms" - I see it as a "mislabeled bottle of product".

I tell the teens I work with to admit they made a mistake and then correct it. I think Deva admitted that the new One Condition was mislabeled, shared the new ingredients, and now promised to properly label all future changes in products/formulas.

Did they make a stupid (dangerous for people with allergies!) mistake/decision - yes! Are they the most evil company on the planet? I like to think not b/c I like their message about curl & self love and if they are bad I have to stop using their products.

Okay - so I will stop being all "kumbaya/peace & love" now and go read the thread about which towels to use b/c now I'm reading that regular towels are bad and I don't have any old t-shirts to use! I need to stop reading all these threads... but I do love having found this whole community of people who love & value their curls.
Originally Posted by Curly & Sweet
Unfortunately, this is not the first experience many of us have had with Deva Concepts and deplorable customer service. Last year, there were issues when the DevaFuser was released separately from the DevaSun Dryer. Here's just one thread:

devafuser Q

If you are comfortable with the way they do business, it's your choice whether or not you buy their products. Since this is one more example of how they do business, many people won't.

BTW, I've been told by a few people in the business that it's not legal to use the old labels.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Kathymack, thank you for posting this! I had almost forgotten about that incident. It certainly helps to establish a pattern of lousy customer service -- or worse yet, a disregard for the people who keep them in business.
Originally Posted by jillipoo
I still remember when they came out with a new product with the ingreds of an existing product on the labels. Was it Set It Free with B'Leave-In's ingreds?

I also recall how nc.com was all over that with Deva and found out the actual ingredients for us super-fast.

As for using the old labels, I've seen many smaller companies use old labels and apply a sticker over the ingredients with the new ingreds (like CurlMart is doing but the manufacturer does it). Then both the waste is avoided as well as potential allergic or dematitis reactions are avoided, not to mention angry users who deserved to know what they bought had changed.

In my idealistic dream world, I still think the FDA should require conspicuous label notification when a product's ingredients change, not just silently changing them on the bottle.

As for the formula change, my curls seem to hate guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride for whatever reason though it likes other humectants from glycerin to propylene glycol.

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...avy-metal-band

Does anyone have the list for the reformulated and renamed Set Up and Above DEL2C mentioned?
2b w/ some 3a
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laurabeth- I e-mailed Shari not too long and what she said was that SET up and above was a "reformulation" of SMU. I can't find the new ingredients on-line so I've e-mailed her directly to get the exact listing. There are companies on-line selling the reformulated version but list the old ingredients...UGH......

I have the Set Up From what I can see & it's making cross eyed I might add....is what was previously mentioned on another thread about ONE-C. they've re-positioned the ingredients. They took the more expensive ingredients and moved them to the bottom of the list.

Old SetMe Up ingreds: Water (Aqua), Aqueos Extracts of: Achilea Millefolium, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria), Cymbopogon Schonanthus, Humulus Lupulos (Hops), Melissa Offcinalis (Balm Mint), Rosemarinus Offcinalis (Rosemary); Ceteareth-20, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, PEG-5 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Propylene Glycol, Theobroma Grandiflorum (Cupuaco) Seed Butter, Simmondsia Chinensis (jojoba) Seed Oil, Olea Europaea (olive) Fruit Oil, Methyl Paraben, Propyl Paraben, Blue 1, Yellow 5
Not tested on animals. # 1503

Exact Listing as per Shari at DevaConcepts:

Reformulated Set UP and Above:
Water (Aqua), Ceteareth-20, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Propylene Glycol, PEG-5 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Theobroma Grandiflorum (Cupuaçu) Seed Butter, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Oil, Melissa Officinalis (Balm Mint) Extract, Humulus Lupulus (Hops) Extract, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus (Lemongrass) Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricia) Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Extract, Achillea Millefolium (Yarrow) Extract, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Blue 1, Yellow 5.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.

Last edited by DEL2C; 05-29-2009 at 09:22 AM. Reason: Added Exact Ingreds. for Set Up and Above
My thought is that the new label's are actually how the ingredients should have been listed all along. One-C is too creamy to have all of those water extractions as the main ingredient up front. I use the current formula as a leave-in. I don't think I will buy the new formula, the Guar HC is really DRYING and you can't leave it in your hair! This is not good.Now it will be like any other over-priced, crap conditioner. Why spend $18 on One-C when I can get HEHH for $4?
what is guar hc? i know what h and c stand for in the ingredients, but what exactly is it? if it is drying, no wonder my hair was a mess.
altho my current bottle (32 oz) has the old label, i am sure by it's consistency and by my hair's reaction it is the new one c. i used about 1/3 of the bottle and my hair kept getting worse -- limp and dry -- it was awful!! i stopped using it and switched to the devacare one c and it is better.
now, supposedly they changed that one c also. did gretchen ever get the ingredients that deva said they were "TRYING TO GET" for us???
you are right, we may have to look for new products.
something i don't want to start doing; i've been using deva since i went cg 3 1/2 years ago, and had been very happy with the results.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine

Last edited by rbb; 05-28-2009 at 05:48 AM. Reason: italics did not show, used caps instead
Guar Hydro(oxy)propyltrimonium(sp?) chloride is a Guar Gum derivative. It is supposed to be good for detangling. I noticed this ingredient on a long curly's site, Teri at tightlycurly.com. She noticed the drying/weird effects right away! It was the main ingredient difference in a new product she tried. If you have not seen her hair, you need to go check it out. It's amazing, and she has an ingredient dictionary there too.

Last edited by windycitycurl; 05-28-2009 at 06:58 AM.
In her ingredients list she also says that SLS is okay and silicones are good, so grain of salt if you're cg.
3B, normal porosity, med to coarse texture
Deva Inspired, LiveCurlyLiveFree Trained Stylist
laurabeth- I e-mailed Shari not too long and what she said was that SET up and above was a "reformulation" of SMU. I can't find the new ingredients on-line so I've e-mailed her directly to get the exact listing. There are companies on-line selling the reformulated version but list the old ingredients...UGH......

I have the Set Up From what I can see & it's making cross eyed I might add....is what was previously mentioned on another thread about ONE-C. they've re-positioned the ingredients. They took the more expensive ingredients and moved them to the bottom of the list.

Old SetMe Up ingreds: Water (Aqua), Aqueos Extracts of: Achilea Millefolium, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria), Cymbopogon Schonanthus, Humulus Lupulos (Hops), Melissa Offcinalis (Balm Mint), Rosemarinus Offcinalis (Rosemary); Ceteareth-20, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, PEG-5 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Propylene Glycol, Theobroma Grandiflorum (Cupuaco) Seed Butter, Simmondsia Chinensis (jojoba) Seed Oil, Olea Europaea (olive) Fruit Oil, Methyl Paraben, Propyl Paraben, Blue 1, Yellow 5
Not tested on animals. # 1503

Exact Listing as per Shari at DevaConcepts:

Reformulated Set UP and Above:
Water (Aqua), Ceteareth-20, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Propylene Glycol, PEG-5 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Theobroma Grandiflorum (Cupuaçu) Seed Butter, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Oil, Melissa Officinalis (Balm Mint) Extract, Humulus Lupulus (Hops) Extract, Cymbopogon Schoenanthus (Lemongrass) Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricia) Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Extract, Achillea Millefolium (Yarrow) Extract, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Blue 1, Yellow 5.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
I edited my original post with the exact ingredients.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I don't understand why Deva is changing its products. Is it because they were marketed as not having cones or parabens but they did, in fact?

I think the new One-c is awful - I wouldn't use it if it were free. Are No-poo and Lo-poo also being reformulated?
Is a smaller size bottle of the new One C available anywhere? I would love to do a trial size. It's been about 3 years since I last used One C - didn't love the old formula but like to revisit now that the ingredients have changed; just dont' want to spring for the full size.
Location: Texas
Type: 3b/3c (i), below shoulder length.
CO wash: A-O GPB LYY, Salon Care Honey Almond, Devacurl OC, Acure Argan Stem Cell+Argan Oil, Mill Creek Botanicals Keratin Repair
Leave-ins: BWC, KCKT, cno overnight
Styling: BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, A-O Mandarin Magic Gel, LOTD AVG, LALSG
DT: Kiehl's Olive Fruit Oil Deeply Repairative Hair Pak, Curl Junkie Deep Fix, Briogeo Don't Despair Repair!
you can purchase a travel size (3 oz) of one c.
i don't know if salons carry it, but curlmart has it and other online websites.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
just realized after i sent message -- you have no way of knowing if it is indeed the new formula since all the labels are the old ones.
you will know once you open it, though, as the consistency is different. and when you use it it is different -- you can no longer get that 'seaweed' feel.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
Hmm. Maybe I will just check the swap board in case someone wants to part with their new version.

Also, is it just the DevaCurl OC that's changing ingredients? I was really hoping to try DevaBlonde, to help keep my gray from yellowing.
Location: Texas
Type: 3b/3c (i), below shoulder length.
CO wash: A-O GPB LYY, Salon Care Honey Almond, Devacurl OC, Acure Argan Stem Cell+Argan Oil, Mill Creek Botanicals Keratin Repair
Leave-ins: BWC, KCKT, cno overnight
Styling: BRHG, MGA Sculpting Gel, A-O Mandarin Magic Gel, LOTD AVG, LALSG
DT: Kiehl's Olive Fruit Oil Deeply Repairative Hair Pak, Curl Junkie Deep Fix, Briogeo Don't Despair Repair!
My point about mentioning my experience, as well as other's, about the drying effects of the Guar HC was in response to a complaint about the new DevaCurl/care formula's. I don't know if you noticed but the original has/had ADIMETHICONE. Which is a silicone, albeit water-soluable but still a silicone.So, I don't know how CG that is.I don't claim to be CG and anyone that uses the original DevaOne-C is more of a modified CG. I leave a quarter size amount of it in my hair and have NOT had drying or build-up issues. I have had other conditioners, with a similar ingredient list to the "new" Deva, that included Guar hc that have dried my hair out.
So, if anyone finds a great new condish to replace the Deva's let us know ASAP!
My point about mentioning my experience, as well as other's, about the drying effects of the Guar HC was in response to a complaint about the new DevaCurl/care formula's. I don't know if you noticed but the original has/had ADIMETHICONE. Which is a silicone, albeit water-soluable but still a silicone.So, I don't know how CG that is.I don't claim to be CG and anyone that uses the original DevaOne-C is more of a modified CG. I leave a quarter size amount of it in my hair and have NOT had drying or build-up issues. I have had other conditioners, with a similar ingredient list to the "new" Deva, that included Guar hc that have dried my hair out.
So, if anyone finds a great new condish to replace the Deva's let us know ASAP!
Originally Posted by windycitycurl
windycity how long have you been using the new One-C? To you it's performance hasn't changed on your particular hair? Do you have any idea what your texture/porosity is? There is a thread on the Product Reviews of One-C your input would be great! It would be curious to see what hair types are most affected by this new formulation......

The new Deva One-C - don't waste your money

Most of us are aware of the controversial "A-cone" in Deva's One-C. It's been a subject discussed for many years actually... However, there hasn't been much talk about Guar HC? I e-mailed Shari to get some more insight as to why they would add this ingredient that has proved to be so drying to many. Sometimes the way certain ingredients are combined can produce different effects on the hair. We've asked our Chemist to hopefully give us more info on this as well.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I would just hope for the seaweed feel.


WTH is this:Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride
Originally Posted by apollojuice
WTH is this:Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride
Originally Posted by Johnboy
It's a cationic polymer. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guar_hy...onium_chloride

and

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...-care-products

It helps hair to lay flat (although not *straight* flat, thank goodness) and make it softer, smoother, and easier to comb. But some people report that it can be be harder to remove than expected.
Originally Posted by jillipoo
WTH is this:Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride
Originally Posted by Johnboy
It's a cationic polymer. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guar_hy...onium_chloride

and

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...-care-products

It helps hair to lay flat (although not *straight* flat, thank goodness) and make it softer, smoother, and easier to comb. But some people report that it can be be harder to remove than expected.
Originally Posted by jillipoo
so is it water soluble? or do you need to do a low poo to remove it?
Originally Posted by rbb

It's a cationic polymer. See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guar_hy...onium_chloride

and

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...-care-products

It helps hair to lay flat (although not *straight* flat, thank goodness) and make it softer, smoother, and easier to comb. But some people report that it can be be harder to remove than expected.
Originally Posted by jillipoo
so is it water soluble? or do you need to do a low poo to remove it?
Originally Posted by rbb
Water-soluble.
Originally Posted by jillipoo
Cut and paste from the Curly Chemist article that was linked:

Cationic Polymers

Positively charged polymers that provide silkening and smoothing effects by adhering to the surface of the hair due to the hair’s overall negative charge

Polyquaternium-10
Polyquaternium-7
Polyquaternium-11
Guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride
I have a major problem with all the polyquats listed above so I would gather that the Guar hc would give me the same troubles. They dry my hair and they build up quickly and I need a sulfate shampoo to completely remove them. Some curlies may be able to no or low poo them out, but that has not been my experience.

This would help explain why my hair no likey the One-C. I sure hope ULTA takes returns on hair products.
Originally Posted by misspam
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i had to stop using the new one c-- it FRIED my hair.
i read online that guar hc is conditioning as a rinse out, but drying as a leave in.
i always used one c as both my rinse out and leave in, and even as my dt!!!!
it WAS my HG!
now i am using the devaCARE one c and that is good. however, i vaguely remember gretchen saying that shari said they will be changing that, too.
so, i am actively looking for a new rinse out/leave in conditioner!!
i may try mop top next.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
i had to stop using the new one c-- it FRIED my hair.
i read online that guar hc is conditioning as a rinse out, but drying as a leave in.
i always used one c as both my rinse out and leave in, and even as my dt!!!!
it WAS my HG!
now i am using the devaCARE one c and that is good. however, i vaguely remember gretchen saying that shari said they will be changing that, too.
so, i am actively looking for a new rinse out/leave in conditioner!!
i may try mop top next.
Originally Posted by rbb
rbb if it still works as your rinse out maybe you just need to find a new LI??? Please post your review here too

The new Deva One-C - don't waste your money

It would be helpful to others to have our experiences with the New One-C all in one place...
Thanks AJ, I was just trying to make a point that Guar HC hasn't been discussed as much as the A-cone. It will be interesting to find out others experience with Guar HC in particular. I've read that some have encountered allergic reactions to Caitonic Polymers. Some do have trouble removing it with CO-washing only.

ETA: A lot of the Curl junkie products have this ingredient and many love this line.....
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
del -- my hair was sooooo fried, so limp and dry and strawlike, i do not want one c anywhere near it!! so i will not use it as a rinse out -- i am sure some of it stays on your hair even tho you rinse it out.
i was actually EMBARRASSED to be walking around with my hair the way it was. i finally resorted to a headband until i figured out what it was and stopped using it. i mean, it was AWFUL!
and i am truly disappointed because my hair loved the old one c.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine

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