soy milk

I hate cow's milk, and haven't drunk it since childhood. But just recently I found super-fortified, vanilla flavored soy milk (by WestSoy). Wow! It's cholesterol free, low fat, higher in iron and fiber than whole cow's milk, and equal to whole cow's milk in vitamins A and D and calcium. And it tastes so good!

We need calcium, so this might be good for those of us who don't like milk.
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I love me some soy milk! Best tasting brand I've tried is 8th Continent, I like it better than Silk and some of the others. I buy the light or fat free vanilla flavor, and I love it. I drink it straight, do it over cereal, and make smoothies with it. I couldn't go back to skim now!
Is it better than my brand? I'll have to check it out. Where do you buy it?
3b (with 3c tendencies) on modified CG

I love me some soy milk! Best tasting brand I've tried is 8th Continent, I like it better than Silk and some of the others. I buy the light or fat free vanilla flavor, and I love it. I drink it straight, do it over cereal, and make smoothies with it. I couldn't go back to skim now!
Originally Posted by beauticurl
I love 8th Continent but it is loaded with estrogen. I like boobs, but not growing on MY chest.
"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are."- Kurt Cobain

I'm going to post this here and then shut up, because I fear I'm sounding like a broken record.

TikiGods is right about the estrogen, except it's not just that brand and it's not just soy milk. All soy products except a very few create estrogen in your body. Not a lot is known about it yet, but do you really want to be a guinea pig? Cultures, like Japanese, that have used soy healthily for centuries in their diets have used teeny tiny amounts of it compared to what is going on today in western cultures.

Comparisons have been made that it's like unnecessary, unmonitored hormone replacement therapy. Scary stuff.

Edited to clarify a little more.
I'm very confused now. There seems to be quite a bit of 'doomsday' type research on soy...and I don't know what to make of it.

Any other opinions, thoughts, links?
3b (with 3c tendencies) on modified CG

Here's an article that explains it better than I did.

I don't want to harp on it, just want to give better info. I'll step aside now.
sfcurlee is right. I use soy in small amounts but western culture tends to hear something and overdo it because it is the "thing" to do. Like low carb diets etc.

I workout with a doctor. His wife is a pediatric doctor as well as a nutritionist. Both are vegan. I asked him this question because he lifts weights and I'm curious as to where he gets his protein if he eats nothing from animals. His reply was soy. However, he says the benefits of soy lowering cholesterol and reducing heart attacks isn't so much these benefits come for the soy products itself but it could be corralated by the fact that people who are eating soy aren't eating meat products, which are higher in fat and thus produce cholestrol and increase your chances of heart disease.

HTH

I know there are some spelling mistakes but I dont' have time to proofread this.
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Recent research, published last month I think, actually showed that soy does not lower cholesterol.

I think they need to do a better job at figuring out the *true cause* of high cholesterol before they can begin postulating on the correct ways to lower it.
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I find rice milk a bit blah. I like almond milk, especially the chocolate almond milk.
Personally, I would prefer to drink rick or soy to animal milk only because of the chemicals pumped into cows in order to make them produce. I had a reaction last year to anti-biotic that nearly killed me by shutting down my liver functions so the thought of drinking milk scares me knowing some cows are injected with anti-biotics as well as growth hormones.

I buy skim milk, organically produced to eliminate the remote possibility I may be get some chemicals.
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I buy organic skim milk as well, but I use it in very limited amounts because I have proven mild reactions to it - not lactose intolerance.
Wow--I never knew about the whole estrogen-production component of soymilk. That makes me want to research it more, especially since breast cancer runs in my family and I don't want to inadvertently increase my risk. Plus I really don't want my boobs getting bigger, I wouldn't be able to run anymore
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There's more to it than bigger boobs though:

Female Sex Hormones: Estrogen and Progesterone


During a woman’s childbearing years, estrogen acts as a growth hormone for breast, uterine and ovarian tissue. Estrogen elevates HDL — the good cholesterol — and exerts a beneficial effect on blood vessel walls. This is why ERT has been linked with a decreased risk of heart disease. Estrogen also stimulates the nervous system toward an outward focus. In fact, many women notice that they are more productive at work or more outgoing and social during the first half of their menstrual cycles, when estrogen levels are peaking.

Progesterone is the hormone responsible for changes in the uterine lining that result in the menstrual bleeding. During your reproductive years it is responsible for aiding in the implantation of an embryo, maintaining pregnancy, and for regulating menstrual cycles. Progesterone is also produced by the brain and has an anxiolytic, or calming effect, which can produce deeper sleep and relaxation. Many women notice that they are less social and turn more inward during the second half of their menstrual cycles.

The symptoms listed below, as well as many others, often arise when estrogen overstimulates both the brain and body. All of these symptoms are exacerbated by stress of all kinds. Many women in their thirties and early forties find that they experience moderate to severe symptoms of estrogen dominance as they approach perimenopause.
• Decreased sex drive
• Irregular or otherwise abnormal menstrual periods
• Bloating (water retention)
• Breast swelling and tenderness
• Fibrocystic breasts
• Headaches (especially premenstrually)
• Mood swings (most often irritability and depression)
• Weight and/or fat gain (particularly around the abdomen and hips)
• Cold hands and feet (a symptom of thyroid dysfunction)
• Hair loss
• Thyroid dysfunction
• Sluggish metabolism
• Foggy thinking, memory loss
• Fatigue
• Trouble sleeping / insomnia
• PMS
The ones I bolded were my symptoms years ago when I was drinking spirutein (soy) shakes.
I also asked my doctor friend about the whole 'MAN BOOB' thing because as silly as it sounds, I was really concerned. Mainly because if you're strength training the obvious result is you want to have muscle growth and if you're taking in estrogen it would seem counterproductive. Well he told me that he has been drinking only soy for the last fifteen years and hasn't grown MAN BOOBS.

I was slightly relieved....then I switched back to organic skim milk.
"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are."- Kurt Cobain

More info on soy:

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

And some info on Real Milk:

http://www.realmilk.com/

I would drink raw milk if it wasn't so hard to get. And watch out for "organic" milk. Horizon claims it's organic but is not. There is another thread about that on the non-hair board somewhere.

As for protein and weight lifting, try whey powder. It usually tastes better than soy also.
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I'm a big fan of whey.
This is a little scary - I read the article sfcurlee put up here, as well as the reaction letters people had to it.

I try to be conscious and careful about what I eat because your diet is pretty much everything. Since switching to soy milk, I haven't had any stomach aches that I would get from cow's milk (it was 2% from Andersen Dairy near Vegas). However, I find it hard to tell if having irregular periods, bloating, mood swings, weight gain, and that other stuff they mention as symptoms is a direct result of soy.

All I drink is soy milk, but I only have it in my cereal in the morning, about a cup of it. I drink water and tomato or pomegranate juice once in a while. So I don't know if I should be worried or not - I certainly don't want to damage myself, since you only get one body!
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I try to be conscious and careful about what I eat because your diet is pretty much everything. Since switching to soy milk, I haven't had any stomach aches that I would get from cow's milk (it was 2% from Andersen Dairy near Vegas).
Originally Posted by steph_eina
You could try lactose-free milk. That's what I drink now and it's sooo much better.

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