Finally, a forum! Help please!

Like Tree2Likes
  • 1 Post By geekrockgirl85
  • 1 Post By geekrockgirl85

I can't figure out my hair. Any help or direction as to where I could get started? I want healthy curly hair, not brittle gross hair. I'm clueless. These pics below are what I'm ideally going for but am not sure it's possible. Thank you all!






Last edited by William; 09-01-2014 at 08:19 PM.
I had to delete the pics in order to post and wasn't sure what else to say without them.

I did the float test and I think I have low porosity.

I usually use Redken "All Soft" or John Frieda Brilliant Brunette (both my wife's, she has amazing hair. )

I've tried a mousse but don't remember the name and am not at home to look. Nothing I've tried has seemed to work consistently.
Without the pictures, it's hard to say (so sorry if I'm not too much help). But the float test has been discredited as 'junk science' and isn't really a reliable way to test your hair's porosity. You should get a hair analysis done, or simply go by how your hair behaves; how long does it take to dry? Does it absorb products easily?

Here are a few general tips I've found have worked for me, in regards to get healthy and soft curls:
Using coconut oil as a pre-shampoo treatment.
Using shampoos without sulfates.
A moisturising conditioner with nourishing ingredients (like oils and vitamins) that penetrate the hair, rather than ar ejust full of silicones.
A leave-in with the sam properties.
A good gel.
Finger-detangling, rather than using a comb or brush.
Cutting out heat.
Allie

3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. High density. Low-medium thickness.


Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Conditioner: Faith in Nature or
Shea Moisture Raw Restorative
D/C: Giovanni 2chic Avocado & Olive Oil Ultra Moist Deep Moisture Mask

Leave-in: My DNA
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity or
Umberto Giannini Scrunching Jelly

UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
Welcome! All the previous suggestions sound good so far.

I think the pic limit will go away once you rack up a few more posts... it's a security thing due to a bunch of spambots that showed up here a while back. looking forward to seeing the pictures eventually!

the first thing to think about or tweak would be how often you do "stuff" to your hair. A lot of people only do a full wash once or twice a week, whether they use non-sulfate "low-poos" or wash with conditioners. you can wet your hair every day to revive curl, and water scrubbing the scalp is also ok to do daily if you have a lot of oil or buildup.

the types of styling products you use and their ingredients might matter as well. The big ones most people avoid are polyquaterniums and chemicals that end in -cone, -conol, or -xane. again, helps to avoid gunk building up on your hair. Clear gels like Ecostyler or LA Looks are popular choices that are relatively "safe" for all types of curls. You might want to look into more product later, but the way you mention lots of different conditions being able to turn your hair "straighter" makes me think you either have a lighter wave/curl, really fine hair, or low porosity; either might make you want to stay simple for now.

your talk about "messing with it once it was dry" sounds familiar too... being able to stay "hands off" and just let hair air dry has been one of my stumbling blocks.. lol. it really does help, though. fiddling or too much finger combing will stretch out and relax the curl.
BotticelliBrit likes this.
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
Thank you both so much! Really, it's a huge help. My hair is short with no curl as of now (more of a slight wave) but I'll start out with the right shampoos and conditioners anyway (not many choices there huh! ).

It seems like I've tried the co-wash (didn't know what it was at the time) but that my hair seemed sort of greasy afterwards. Also, when it was longer I remember trying to not touch my hair too much after a shower (which is good I guess) but that even sitting my head back on the couch or car seat once dry would sort of flatten it out. Maybe I'm misremembering tho. I do know I used a towel on it a bit right after showering and that I never used any gels. Sounds like when it gets longer I should try finding a good gel, air drying, then "scrunching" it out to get rid of the wet look and keep the curl stronger..?
yep, scrunching out gel is what a lot of people do to keep curls springy without all of that "crunch".

as far as the cowashing.. it took me lots of trial and error to find a conditioner that didn't leave my hair heavy and greasy after a day as well. some of that is just choosing conditioners that were too thick, some of it was not reading labels carefully and using stuff with major buildup potential in the ingredients. but it also doesn't work for everyone.. some need a "stronger" clean. and that's ok!

I know this is going to sound weird, but, a towel might be too heavy for drying your hair with. t-shirts are the option people seem to use, for being lighter, which makes them gentler to curls and waves, and having less "grab" than the loops on a standard terry towel. Not sure how long you're trying to grow out, but tshirts also give you the option to "plop" your hair once it gets a bit longer, like in the following illustration, and then style it; might help with that issue where leaning back on your hair straightens it.

BotticelliBrit likes this.
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
That 'comic' thing on plopping is adorable! Lol
Allie

3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. High density. Low-medium thickness.


Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Conditioner: Faith in Nature or
Shea Moisture Raw Restorative
D/C: Giovanni 2chic Avocado & Olive Oil Ultra Moist Deep Moisture Mask

Leave-in: My DNA
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity or
Umberto Giannini Scrunching Jelly

UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
Ah, thanks for the additional info! You seem to be a wealth of knowledge. I will stop using towels!

Finally got the pictures uploaded and updated my first post.

Forgot to mention I was losing my hair! I have cut short / shaved it several times and just don't feel like myself. So I hope that's not a problem! What I do with the hair left on top is an issue also... Not sure whether to cut it or comb(?) it back or sideways. Not really liking that part.

Last edited by William; 06-18-2014 at 07:25 PM.
Hehe, there are plenty of people even more knowledgeable than me... But I have done a LOT of reading and rereading here over the last couple of months, coming back after a few years of radio silence, so I've thrown myself into the study headlong. The information has changed a LOT since I first started fussing around here!

I know everyone says this, but nobody notices your faults as much as you. I'm sure you feel self conscious about having less hair than you did, but with every guy in your situation that I've known, it seems to look better when they decide to "own" it rather than try to do the slicked comb-over to hide it. then again, though... your curl pattern could cover it up naturally if it grows long enough! I am also not a barber... not sure if there's a way to change the part of your hair or something to minimize it without it looking like "hey, don't look at this!"... an expert in guy-hair might be able to offer better advice in that department.

brushing hair tends to be a no-no for curlies, but a comb through wet hair won't do too much damage, as long as you don't try to rip through any knots. it also becomes easier when your overall hair condition starts getting better.

You can definitely see patterns of wave in there, even in the first, shortest photos! length and weight can loosen curls a bit, like you suspect, but according to the pictures I have a feeling condition is playing a part there, too.

do you consider your hair coarse, fine, or not especially either? I can't say for sure if it will help, but I know finding protein-rich conditioners and/or doing protein deep treatments has also made a big positive difference for people here, but some, especially with coarse hair, are sensitive to protein and have the opposite effect.
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
Hey again!

Oh gosh no, there is absolutely no hiding that I'm going bald, but I don't mind it much anymore. It's been happening since I was 20. I'm way past trying to cover it up! There are so few hairs there it looks odd when they get long and they didn't seem to curl so I was unsure of what to do exactly. Thanks for encouraging me to embrace!

I'll investigate how to find my hair texture. I really have no idea.

Thank you so much for the post again, I'm learning more every time!

Last edited by William; 06-18-2014 at 07:54 PM.
Hey again!

Oh gosh no, there is absolutely no hiding that I'm going bald, but I don't mind it much anymore. It's been happening since I was 20. I'm way past trying to cover it up! There are so few hairs there it looks odd when they get long and they didn't seem to curl so I was unsure of what to do exactly. Thanks for encouraging me to embrace!

I'll investigate how to find my hair texture. I really have no idea.

Thank you so much for the post again, I'm learning more every time!
Originally Posted by William
This page is a decent reference for hair properties (texture, porosity): Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics. Ignore the advice to do a "slip 'n slide" test for porosity, as that is junk science and instead look at how your hair behaves. I'd also suggest clicking through and reading the rest of the info. in that section, at least the types of curls, curl care, and product ingredients ones, because they have good information as well.
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
^ Reading now, thank you!
I love your curls! My hubby had hair a lot like yours. He got his mom's hair. Unfortunately, it thinned on top over time. I don't know if it was genetics or being married!
It's not easy being a princess, but hey, if the crown fits.
This is going to sound counter-intuitive, but the book Curly Girl: The Handbook (also available here) would probably be extremely helpful to you. There's a chapter specifically about men's hair, in addition to more general information for people with wavy, curly, and kinky hair.
Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,073
Hi William! I am going to give you a piece of advice that's not often heard.

It could benefit you to stop using shampoo again, especially any that contain sodium lauryl sulfate or sodium laureth sulfate (although others could be equally guilty) and silicones to stop your hair loss; the sulfates are stripping and irritating and the 'cones may contribute to "suffocate" the follicles and also irritate the scalp of sensitive people . Many years ago I read some expert's opinion on the matter and I began thinking about it, and the more I think about it the more sense it makes to me.

Starting around the 60s but more so in the 70s, the shampoo makers mounted a campaign to promote their products which made it seem that shampooing daily was a very good and desirable thing. Most of us jumped on the bandwagon but today hairloss in young men and lots of women has become rampant, coincidence? I think not!

For starters, our scalps produce sebum to protect the skin and the integrity of the hair. Even all of our skin has what's called an "acid mantle" which keeps it healthy, but our modern practices of daily meticulous scrubbings remove that protective mantle and leave the skin and scalp vulnerable to the invasion of the many opportunistic microscopic parasites which are abundant in our environment and which love to feed off our skin cells or the sebum itself. So they can set up housekeeping inside the scalp, very often in the hair follicle, a very convenient little pocket that provides all they need to thrive and reproduce. It's not uncommon for people who develop stubborn dandruff and other flaking conditions to also shed more hair than normal, but flaking is not always present where there is hairloss.

Another big contributor is diet. When I was studying Holistic Nutrition I learned that even a subclinical deficiency of quite a few nutrients (like any from the B complex, zinc, selenium, iodine, among others) could cause hairloss. Stress will do it too in great part because it increases the need of all nutrients in order for the body to cope. And let's face it, particularly in this country with all the refined and junk foods abundant everywhere, a lot of people only get enough to survive. The body, in its wisdom, will sacrifice less important organs in order to keep the heart and lungs working, so the state of our internal health is often reflected in our hair, nails and skin.

Sooooo, give co-washing another try, just avoid other ingredients like oils, butters, glycerine/glycerols. I tried doing searches to see if there are others to avoid but 3 search engines later I didn't come across one single title related to my search...

Hmm... I didn't mean for this to turn into a "lecture" but not having any idea if you or any other men reading this know all this I felt the need to go into detail. HTH!

Trending Topics


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com