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Old 12-03-2003, 08:01 AM   #61
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So far, only Dumbledore has seemed above such mistakes - so I wonder if and when his flaws or flubs will come out.





When he apologized to Harry after Sirius died for not stepping in sooner with the Order of The Phoenix- Sirius- and the school, and not telling him the truth about his birth.
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I thought this theory was pretty interesting. What do you guys think?

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/...wer/nt11.shtml
I think the theory is a load of trash. As she did in her next article! :nono:nono1.gif

I think the comparisons to mythology in general are foolish, because Rowling gets names from mythology, loves and knows about all kinds of mythology, but in the end she has the story she wants, and only sometimes does it connect with mythology. We don't get to know when it will or won't until we read her stories, too.
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Hmm... Voldemort definitely has to die because of the prophecy. I think many people will probably die in the seventh book as the battle with Voldemort comes to an end. Snape is definitely a possibility. Since the Deatheaters view him as a traitor, they will probably have it in for him in particular. I also wouldn't be surprised if Dumbledore doesn't make it to the end of the series, and I will be very interested to see who his successor is. I hope Harry doesn't die. I want a happy ending.
I agree I don't think Dumbledore will make it out of the full series alive. It will be a major turning point for Harry so it will be pretty interesting to see how it plays out. However after OOTP, Rowling has but a bit more emotional distance between the two, which will likely make it (slightly) easier on Harry.

Dumbledore's successor as head of Hogwarts is easy---Minerva McGonagall is the obvious successor. However given how meddlesome MoM has been she's gonna have to fight for it, or goodness forbid the deatheaters and their ilk install some evil figurehead at Hogwarts to keep things "in check" ala whatshername (can't remember) in OOTP.

Dumbledore's successor as Harry's mentor and strongest suppporter will be a lot tougher. Here's a crazy crazy theory---perhaps his relationship with Snape will improve and mature since they better understand each other (esp that pensieve scene, Harry for the first time had sympathy and compassion for Snape), he will step forward to guide the young lad. That would be a heckuva a twist!
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I thought this theory was pretty interesting. What do you guys think?

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/...wer/nt11.shtml
I think the theory is a load of trash. As she did in her next article! :nono:nono1.gif

I think the comparisons to mythology in general are foolish, because Rowling gets names from mythology, loves and knows about all kinds of mythology, but in the end she has the story she wants, and only sometimes does it connect with mythology. We don't get to know when it will or won't until we read her stories, too.
Outside of the fact that the author derived the idea from mythology, do you not think it's possible that Ron will betray Harry at some point? I definitely think it's possible. For so long he has dealt with Harry getting all of the attention. Although Ron did get some fame for Quidditch and was made a Prefect in OofP, I think there is still some jealousy there.
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Doesn't anyone see Harry and Hermione together?!? That seems like the logical match-up to me!
How about this: Harry and Hermione are definitely getting close, and they start a relationship. Ron, seeing this, realizes HE loves Hermione, and of course Harry always gets everything, and does something to betray the threesome. In the end, though, he is instrumental in saving Harry from Voldemort, and then Hermione realizes she's always loved him, and Harry gets together with Ginny.
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I thought this theory was pretty interesting. What do you guys think?

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/...wer/nt11.shtml
I think the theory is a load of trash. As she did in her next article! :nono:nono1.gif

I think the comparisons to mythology in general are foolish, because Rowling gets names from mythology, loves and knows about all kinds of mythology, but in the end she has the story she wants, and only sometimes does it connect with mythology. We don't get to know when it will or won't until we read her stories, too.
Outside of the fact that the author derived the idea from mythology, do you not think it's possible that Ron will betray Harry at some point? I definitely think it's possible. For so long he has dealt with Harry getting all of the attention. Although Ron did get some fame for Quidditch and was made a Prefect in OofP, I think there is still some jealousy there.
That part of it, I will believe. I just have a feeling, can't offer any proof for it. As tumultous as their friendship has been so far, Harry feeling like he can't say some things to avoid fighting with Ron, etc., I could see Ron betraying him. Not in a Wormtail-type way, but to some level, yes.
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Sort of off topic (about the trailer instead of the books):

Did anyone else notice that thebackground music of song that the Hogwarts Choir is singing sound eerily like This is Halloween from Nightmare Before Christmas?
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Did anyone else notice that thebackground music of song that the Hogwarts Choir is singing sound eerily like This is Halloween from Nightmare Before Christmas?


Hmm...never saw the movie/heard the soundtrack, so I wouldn't know.

But it's about Harry Potter, so it's not off topic!
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I thought this theory was pretty interesting. What do you guys think?

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/...wer/nt11.shtml
I think the theory is a load of trash. As she did in her next article! :nono:nono1.gif

I think the comparisons to mythology in general are foolish, because Rowling gets names from mythology, loves and knows about all kinds of mythology, but in the end she has the story she wants, and only sometimes does it connect with mythology. We don't get to know when it will or won't until we read her stories, too.
Outside of the fact that the author derived the idea from mythology, do you not think it's possible that Ron will betray Harry at some point? I definitely think it's possible. For so long he has dealt with Harry getting all of the attention. Although Ron did get some fame for Quidditch and was made a Prefect in OofP, I think there is still some jealousy there.
That part of it, I will believe. I just have a feeling, can't offer any proof for it. As tumultous as their friendship has been so far, Harry feeling like he can't say some things to avoid fighting with Ron, etc., I could see Ron betraying him. Not in a Wormtail-type way, but to some level, yes.
I have to agree with NetG on this. I never really thought about HP being based on Greek Myths. I saw it more as based on English and Scandinavian mythology along the lines of Tolkien, Avalon, Valhalla, King Arthur, etc.

I also cannot prove or offer any evidence toward Ron's betrayal of Harry. I do have that same gut feeling.
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This thread was going great guns for a while, then just quit. What happened?
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Thanks for bumping it up so I wouldn't have to do so.

At the beginning of Book 5, Petunia tells Harry that she overheard "that awful boy" (or maybe it was "that horrible boy") telling Lily about Azkaban and demontors. We're supposed to think she means James. However, I'm not certain she didn't mean a death eater or other bad wizard. Any thoughts?
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Thanks for bumping it up so I wouldn't have to do so.

At the beginning of Book 5, Petunia tells Harry that she overheard "that awful boy" (or maybe it was "that horrible boy") telling Lily about Azkaban and demontors. We're supposed to think she means James. However, I'm not certain she didn't mean a death eater or other bad wizard. Any thoughts?
I think she did mean James. However, I think she definitely has more of a connection with the wizarding world than we are supposed to believe. I mean, all wizards take Dumbledore's words seriously (baring the period when the daily prophet went awry(sp?) ), but I wouldn't have thought Petunia would have taken his words ("remember my last") to heart unless she had more of a connection. I mean, after all, why is something Dumbledore said important to her if she thinks all wizards are awful?
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I wouldn't have thought Petunia would have taken his words ("remember my last") to heart unless she had more of a connection. I mean, after all, why is something Dumbledore said important to her if she thinks all wizards are awful?
I think you're right-- something's up in Dursleyland. Besides, she overhears James mention dementors, and retains that in her memory for over 15 years? Don't think so!
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Did anyone else notice that thebackground music of song that the Hogwarts Choir is singing sound eerily like This is Halloween from Nightmare Before Christmas?
I think it was also from a movie, 20 years ago or so, called "Something Wicked This Way Comes." Shakespeare quote?
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I wouldn't have thought Petunia would have taken his words ("remember my last") to heart unless she had more of a connection. I mean, after all, why is something Dumbledore said important to her if she thinks all wizards are awful?
I think you're right-- something's up in Dursleyland. Besides, she overhears James mention dementors, and retains that in her memory for over 15 years? Don't think so!
I completely agree.

This is why the possibility of her being a squib popped into mind. I don't really remember any instances of Lily being referred to as a mudblood, other than by Severus. But maybe I'm wrong.... anyone know of any other instances?
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Did anyone else notice that thebackground music of song that the Hogwarts Choir is singing sound eerily like This is Halloween from Nightmare Before Christmas?
I think it was also from a movie, 20 years ago or so, called "Something Wicked This Way Comes." Shakespeare quote?
It did seem familiar. I would have to rewatch the trailer which is a bit of a pain on my dial up connection, but I think the chorus was "Bubble, Bubble Toil and Trouble" or some such thing from "The Scottish Play" as they call it.
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Did anyone else notice that thebackground music of song that the Hogwarts Choir is singing sound eerily like This is Halloween from Nightmare Before Christmas?
I think it was also from a movie, 20 years ago or so, called "Something Wicked This Way Comes." Shakespeare quote?
It did seem familiar. I would have to rewatch the trailer which is a bit of a pain on my dial up connection, but I think the chorus was "Bubble, Bubble Toil and Trouble" or some such thing from "The Scottish Play" as they call it.
Oh, yeah, you're one of the theater folks, huh? Since it's bad luck to call it MacBeth in the theater.

Anyway, it's Double, double, toil and trouble/fire burn and cauldron bubble.

I won't write out the whole scene I did from that in Jr. High. Which kind of scares me that I still remember it....
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Elves and religion

This is an interesting perspective comparing elves to religious zealots.
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Sort of off topic (about the trailer instead of the books):

Did anyone else notice that thebackground music of song that the Hogwarts Choir is singing sound eerily like This is Halloween from Nightmare Before Christmas?
I think it was also from a movie, 20 years ago or so, called "Something Wicked This Way Comes." Shakespeare quote?
It did seem familiar. I would have to rewatch the trailer which is a bit of a pain on my dial up connection, but I think the chorus was "Bubble, Bubble Toil and Trouble" or some such thing from "The Scottish Play" as they call it.
Oh, yeah, you're one of the theater folks, huh? Since it's bad luck to call it MacBeth in the theater.

Anyway, it's Double, double, toil and trouble/fire burn and cauldron bubble.

I won't write out the whole scene I did from that in Jr. High. Which kind of scares me that I still remember it....
Thanks for catching that! I thought it seemed wrong!

I actually thought it was "Double, bubble, toil and trouble". It had been so long (also JHS but I'm older than you are), so I Googled it to be sure. Google said it was "Bubble, bubble..." so I went with that.

I'm not a theatre person but some of my friends are and they have trained me well.
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I wouldn't have thought Petunia would have taken his words ("remember my last") to heart unless she had more of a connection. I mean, after all, why is something Dumbledore said important to her if she thinks all wizards are awful?
I think you're right-- something's up in Dursleyland. Besides, she overhears James mention dementors, and retains that in her memory for over 15 years? Don't think so!
I completely agree.

This is why the possibility of her being a squib popped into mind. I don't really remember any instances of Lily being referred to as a mudblood, other than by Severus. But maybe I'm wrong.... anyone know of any other instances?
At the end of Chamber of Secrets - at least in the movie - Tom Riddle/Vol de Mort (sp?) tells Harry that soon he'll be with his "mudblood mother" (because he was poisoned by the big snakey creature). But I don't remember if it's in the book, too!
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