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Old 12-10-2003, 06:55 AM   #81
 
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At the end of Chamber of Secrets - at least in the movie - Tom Riddle/Vol de Mort (sp?) tells Harry that soon he'll be with his "mudblood mother" (because he was poisoned by the big snakey creature). But I don't remember if it's in the book, too!
Yup, Tom Riddle refers to her as a mudblood or muggle or something-actually, he did refer to Harry as a half-blood when comparing the two of them, I think. But, the only thing he knows about her is what Ginny told him while writing in the diary. Now, since Harry assumes his mother was a mudblood, I think his friends would as well, so that still doesn't tell me she is.
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At the end of Chamber of Secrets - at least in the movie - Tom Riddle/Vol de Mort (sp?) tells Harry that soon he'll be with his "mudblood mother" (because he was poisoned by the big snakey creature). But I don't remember if it's in the book, too!
Yup, Tom Riddle refers to her as a mudblood or muggle or something-actually, he did refer to Harry as a half-blood when comparing the two of them, I think. But, the only thing he knows about her is what Ginny told him while writing in the diary. Now, since Harry assumes his mother was a mudblood, I think his friends would as well, so that still doesn't tell me she is.
At the end of 5, Dumbledore also says it's interesting that, having the choice of going after Neville who is all wizard, and Harry, whose mother was a muggle-born, Voldemort chose Harry. And if I remember correctly, in 3, Harry was worried about how similar he is to Tom Riddle, because they were both orphans and both descended from muggles.

Dumbledore was famous for his defeat of the Dark wizard Grindelwald in the 40's, very similar timeframe to the Hitler era. Any ideas on who Voldemort could be parallelling in this day and time?
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At the end of 5, Dumbledore also says it's interesting that, having the choice of going after Neville who is all wizard, and Harry, whose mother was a muggle-born, Voldemort chose Harry. And if I remember correctly, in 3, Harry was worried about how similar he is to Tom Riddle, because they were both orphans and both descended from muggles.

Dumbledore was famous for his defeat of the Dark wizard Grindelwald in the 40's, very similar timeframe to the Hitler era. Any ideas on who Voldemort could be parallelling in this day and time?
He did say specifically that it was Harry's mother who was muggle born there? If so, I think that would cement it, because Dumbledore would really know!

Harry definitely thinks his mother was the muggle-the same assumption I'd make if a wizard raised by aunt petunia....

I think that there's some connection between Grindewald and Hitler. I was debating if I think Voldemort is bin Laden. I know Rowling came up with the storylines before 9/11, but she was living in areas where bin Laden was well known for his terrorism before that. (Not that he wasn't known here, but known better there, supposedly.)
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I'm pretty sure Dumbledore said it.

Do you think Lily was a Slytherin? It doesn't say anywhere that she was a Gryffindor, just James. And how did James get to be Head Boy if he wasn't a prefect? I don't know the ins-and-outs of the British school system.
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I think that there's some connection between Grindewald and Hitler. I was debating if I think Voldemort is bin Laden. I know Rowling came up with the storylines before 9/11, but she was living in areas where bin Laden was well known for his terrorism before that. (Not that he wasn't known here, but known better there, supposedly.)
HP 1 was released in 1997, which means it was written prior to that. Was Bin Laden a well known entity back in 1996? Perhaps he was based on Slovodan Milosevic? The Bosnian thing was a much bigger deal in Europe than it was here. When I saw LOTR, I actually thought he may have been based on Sauron, both being disembodied and all.
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I'm pretty sure Dumbledore said it.

Do you think Lily was a Slytherin? It doesn't say anywhere that she was a Gryffindor, just James. And how did James get to be Head Boy if he wasn't a prefect? I don't know the ins-and-outs of the British school system.
Very true. You can't be a head boy/girl without being a prefect (to my knowledge). Also, I like your idea of Lily being a Slytherin. In fact, maybe there could be some sort of connection there that can come out as a big thing later on. I'm not sure what though..hmm, I'll have to get my thinking cap on. :headscratch:headscratch.gif
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I read an interview with JK Rowling that said you can be head boy/girl without being a prefect first. Maybe Harry will get to be head boy?

Edited to add: Possible Slytherin connection with Lily-Maybe "that awful boy" Petunia refers to is Tom Riddle? Or maybe that was before Lily et al was at Hogwarts. Hmmm...
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I read an interview with JK Rowling that said you can be head boy/girl without being a prefect first. Maybe Harry will get to be head boy?
Ah, ok then. I think it differs in different schools. In my school you can't, but having prefects is something specific to each individual school (as opposed to the English school system- some schools choose not to have prefects or head boys/girls, or just one or the other). Thanks for the information about the interview though, it was bothering me. (yes, I have no life! )
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I think that there's some connection between Grindewald and Hitler. I was debating if I think Voldemort is bin Laden. I know Rowling came up with the storylines before 9/11, but she was living in areas where bin Laden was well known for his terrorism before that. (Not that he wasn't known here, but known better there, supposedly.)
HP 1 was released in 1997, which means it was written prior to that. Was Bin Laden a well known entity back in 1996? Perhaps he was based on Slovodan Milosevic? The Bosnian thing was a much bigger deal in Europe than it was here. When I saw LOTR, I actually thought he may have been based on Sauron, both being disembodied and all.
I think bin Laden had been exiled to Spain by then, hadn't he? Something like that. And she had been living in Portugal, so I would think there would be more news about him around there.

Milosevic hadn't crossed my mind. Very good possibility, I'd think, with the whole genocide thing. **shudder**
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I read an interview with JK Rowling that said you can be head boy/girl without being a prefect first. Maybe Harry will get to be head boy?

Edited to add: Possible Slytherin connection with Lily-Maybe "that awful boy" Petunia refers to is Tom Riddle? Or maybe that was before Lily et al was at Hogwarts. Hmmm...
I think Tom Riddle is considerably older than L & J. The whole thing with Hagrid happened 50 years earlier, and I find it hard to believe that the Potters were in their 40s when they had Harry. I have the impression they were not long out of school when Harry was born.
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A few things I keep thinking about (can't remember if any are mentioned in this post, and I'm being too lazy to re-read it all)

Is Harry a metamorphmagus? Rowling points out the screwed up face and intense concentration-which described how Harry made his hair grow back out. He didn't *know* it was possible to change your features just by thinking about it while growing up, so he never tried.


At the beginning of GoF, Harry sees Wormtail and Voldy having a conversation in the old Riddle house. Voldemort says that there's only one more death needed and the path is clear to return. I want to know, who is this death? Moody had to be kept alive so Crouch Jr. could make the polyjuice potion. Barty Sr. was intended to be kept alive so the ministry wouldn't know anything was up. Harry had to be alive to use his blood (then after, Voldy could kill him.) So who did they PLAN on killing? Cedric wasn't planned.


Where was Wormtail in OoP?
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Ooh! You are GOOD!

Good question about Wormtail. And I still am curious why they are letting Snape back into the fold-- is Voldy just stringing him along and planting false info? People consider Fudge a bumbler, but what if he's really just evil and hides it incredibly well? I suppose Dumbledore would be able to tell...
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I read an interview with JK Rowling that said you can be head boy/girl without being a prefect first. Maybe Harry will get to be head boy?

Edited to add: Possible Slytherin connection with Lily-Maybe "that awful boy" Petunia refers to is Tom Riddle? Or maybe that was before Lily et al was at Hogwarts. Hmmm...
I think Tom Riddle is considerably older than L & J. The whole thing with Hagrid happened 50 years earlier, and I find it hard to believe that the Potters were in their 40s when they had Harry. I have the impression they were not long out of school when Harry was born.
You're right. He is older. Maybe "that awful boy" is Snape? Also, isn't it strange that Peter Pettigrew is a Gryffindor?
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I think that there's some connection between Grindewald and Hitler. I was debating if I think Voldemort is bin Laden. I know Rowling came up with the storylines before 9/11, but she was living in areas where bin Laden was well known for his terrorism before that. (Not that he wasn't known here, but known better there, supposedly.)
HP 1 was released in 1997, which means it was written prior to that. Was Bin Laden a well known entity back in 1996? Perhaps he was based on Slovodan Milosevic? The Bosnian thing was a much bigger deal in Europe than it was here. When I saw LOTR, I actually thought he may have been based on Sauron, both being disembodied and all.
I think bin Laden had been exiled to Spain by then, hadn't he? Something like that. And she had been living in Portugal, so I would think there would be more news about him around there.

Milosevic hadn't crossed my mind. Very good possibility, I'd think, with the whole genocide thing. **shudder**
I'll admit to having limited knowledge of Bin Laden's life prior to 9/11. If you think about it Milosevic is (was?) creepier and more Hitler like than Bin Laden. This could be because Bin Laden is not running his own country and does not have access to a minority he can wipe out. However, I get the feeling that he is more concerned with wiping out our way of life than literally wiping us out.

Then again, isn't that what Voldy is after? If they follow him they live if they don't they die. If we all became radical Muslims and started wearing Burquas Bin Laden would leave us alone.

It's interesting. I can't think of any other really creepy people other than Saddam.
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Is Harry a metamorphmagus? Rowling points out the screwed up face and intense concentration-which described how Harry made his hair grow back out. He didn't *know* it was possible to change your features just by thinking about it while growing up, so he never tried.
Why don't I remember this? Which book/part was it in? Thanks! It sounds interesting. Good theory!
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Is Harry a metamorphmagus? Rowling points out the screwed up face and intense concentration-which described how Harry made his hair grow back out. He didn't *know* it was possible to change your features just by thinking about it while growing up, so he never tried.
Why don't I remember this? Which book/part was it in? Thanks! It sounds interesting. Good theory!
I'm not sure exactly which passage NetG is referring to, but I remember in Book One Rowling describing how Harry's hair never stayed cut. Uncle Vernon would get mad about Harry looking messy and would cut Harry's hair but it always grew back right away and stayed a bit wild and crazy. I wondered about that then but just assumed it was a wizard thing that hair grew really fast or something. Maybe Harry was doing it subconsciously just to tick off Uncle Vernon.
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Is Harry a metamorphmagus? Rowling points out the screwed up face and intense concentration-which described how Harry made his hair grow back out. He didn't *know* it was possible to change your features just by thinking about it while growing up, so he never tried.
Why don't I remember this? Which book/part was it in? Thanks! It sounds interesting. Good theory!
I'm not sure exactly which passage NetG is referring to, but I remember in Book One Rowling describing how Harry's hair never stayed cut. Uncle Vernon would get mad about Harry looking messy and would cut Harry's hair but it always grew back right away and stayed a bit wild and crazy. I wondered about that then but just assumed it was a wizard thing that hair grew really fast or something. Maybe Harry was doing it subconsciously just to tick off Uncle Vernon.
Yup, that's what I was thinking about. They cut off all his hair except for fringe in front to cover the scar, and overnight he thought about how much he wanted his hair to grow back to normal-which it did. He didn't understand why they were so mad at him because he didn't think he did anything and didn't know how it happened. I don't remember if Harry remembered this when Hagrid was trying to convince him he was a wizard or some other time.
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It was in book 1, at the beginning. Talking about things that happened to Harry that he just couldn't explain. It was when Uncle Vernon warned him to not let anything funny happen when they were going to the Zoo.

Okay, next on my list of HP questions. What about Malfoy? Will he forever just be an evil foil of Harry, or do you think JK has bigger plans for him, either good or bad? Harry just had Malfoy's father sent to prison, so he can't be too pleased about that. But will he really join Voldy and start killing people?
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I dressed up like Hermione when my store had a big "Midnight Madness" party the night the last book was released. I scrambled the costume together the day of. My mom was on the phone with her boyfriend, "DIANA NEEDS A MAROON NECKTIE!"

I brushed out my curls and it was all big and frizzy and my mom was all, "I don't like your hair like that...you look kind of witchy." THANKS, that's the point!

The guys I work with were teasing me that I looked like I stepped out of a TATU video :P It was fun. Everyone still calls me Hermione.
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It was in book 1, at the beginning. Talking about things that happened to Harry that he just couldn't explain. It was when Uncle Vernon warned him to not let anything funny happen when they were going to the Zoo.

Okay, next on my list of HP questions. What about Malfoy? Will he forever just be an evil foil of Harry, or do you think JK has bigger plans for him, either good or bad? Harry just had Malfoy's father sent to prison, so he can't be too pleased about that. But will he really join Voldy and start killing people?
I would *like* to see Draco turn out well. However, Rowling has hinted (but never said flat out, I don't think?) that he'll never turn out well. I think he's going to turn out evil in the end.

Coirnin-I was Hermione for Halloween, but my hair kept trying to curl instead of frizz, and I was getting irritated with it! What happened to your avatar? I miss it already!
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