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Thanks for the further info. I understand the point of the rule.

However, I still really don't understand how me linking to an Etsy shop that I am in no way affiliated with and make no money from (and, for the sake of this hypothetical, this isn't a shop that any poster on the boards makes money from it either) is not allowed, but I can link to Macy's. I make no money from linking to the Etsy shop, and I make no money from linking to the Macy's shop. Someone does, but I don't know them. But it seems to me that there is a categorical ban on any Etsy links, and yet there is no similar ban on Macy's links.

Am I correct in stating that I cannot link to an Etsy shop that I have zero connection with and yet I can link to a Macy's item when I have no connection to Macy's?
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
Ah, I see. You are incorrect. You can link to an etsy shop that you have zero connection to because you have zero connection to it. You do not profit from it. It's not your family business that profits from it. You are sharing useful information with your CT friends.

to quote myself lol:
The clarification is not about Etsy=no and Macy's=yes -- it's about WHO the Etsy link is for. If you profit from people purchasing things in that Etsy shop, please share that link with all interested future customers via a private message.
Originally Posted by atx_eve
Well that is not what the moderator above said.

I quote him/her: "Is an Etsy link that I don't profit from allowed? It is best to share the link via pm so there is no confusion."
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Thanks for the further info. I understand the point of the rule.

However, I still really don't understand how me linking to an Etsy shop that I am in no way affiliated with and make no money from (and, for the sake of this hypothetical, this isn't a shop that any poster on the boards makes money from it either) is not allowed, but I can link to Macy's. I make no money from linking to the Etsy shop, and I make no money from linking to the Macy's shop. Someone does, but I don't know them. But it seems to me that there is a categorical ban on any Etsy links, and yet there is no similar ban on Macy's links.

Am I correct in stating that I cannot link to an Etsy shop that I have zero connection with and yet I can link to a Macy's item when I have no connection to Macy's?
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
Ah, I see. You are incorrect. You can link to an etsy shop that you have zero connection to because you have zero connection to it. You do not profit from it. It's not your family business that profits from it. You are sharing useful information with your CT friends.

to quote myself lol:
The clarification is not about Etsy=no and Macy's=yes -- it's about WHO the Etsy link is for. If you profit from people purchasing things in that Etsy shop, please share that link with all interested future customers via a private message.
Originally Posted by atx_eve
Where do signatures fall in this? If I don't profit from something, can I have a signature with a link to a business?

And again, what about all the sigs with links to their own blogs?

Last edited by ruralcurls; 05-02-2013 at 10:00 AM.
I am still trying to work it out- honestly I probably will just have to wait and see. I need to actually see specific examples to get it.

What about someone who has a thread promoting her youtube channel? Will the thread get to stay up?
Originally Posted by ruralcurls
If you notice things that you think violate the rules, you can notify me via PM or email bc we can't catch 'em all on our own. I do not know what thread you are referring to. The thing about Youtube is that I'd have to inquire if someone makes money from it. For example I've posted my own youtube video before. It is not monetized though, so I gain nothing financially from potentially a large group of new viewers coming to watch.

case by case. *sigh*
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Thanks for the further info. I understand the point of the rule.

However, I still really don't understand how me linking to an Etsy shop that I am in no way affiliated with and make no money from (and, for the sake of this hypothetical, this isn't a shop that any poster on the boards makes money from it either) is not allowed, but I can link to Macy's. I make no money from linking to the Etsy shop, and I make no money from linking to the Macy's shop. Someone does, but I don't know them. But it seems to me that there is a categorical ban on any Etsy links, and yet there is no similar ban on Macy's links.

Am I correct in stating that I cannot link to an Etsy shop that I have zero connection with and yet I can link to a Macy's item when I have no connection to Macy's?
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
Ah, I see. You are incorrect. You can link to an etsy shop that you have zero connection to because you have zero connection to it. You do not profit from it. It's not your family business that profits from it. You are sharing useful information with your CT friends.

to quote myself lol:
The clarification is not about Etsy=no and Macy's=yes -- it's about WHO the Etsy link is for. If you profit from people purchasing things in that Etsy shop, please share that link with all interested future customers via a private message.
Originally Posted by atx_eve
Where do signatures fall in this? If I don't profit from something, can I have a signature with a link to a business?

And again, what about all the sigs with links to their own blogs?
Originally Posted by ruralcurls
What i've said refers to threads, comments, replies, signatures.

(getting back to you about blogs i have to go to a meeting but didn't want to leave this hanging)
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to quote myself lol:
The clarification is not about Etsy=no and Macy's=yes -- it's about WHO the Etsy link is for. If you profit from people purchasing things in that Etsy shop, please share that link with all interested future customers via a private message.
Well that is not what the moderator above said.

I quote him/her: "Is an Etsy link that I don't profit from allowed? It is best to share the link via pm so there is no confusion."
Originally Posted by Laura Lee
I feel like this hasn't quite been clarified yet. I'm not trying to nitpick to be a pain in the neck, but I would like to know once and for all what the rules are because I do occasionally post links to items for sale. I would like to be clear on these because they appear to be bannable offenses.
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ok one more thing:

please read this thread and my response as a discussion because you all have brought things to my attention that need to be clarified. Even my own interpretation of the rules may change once i take all your suggestions into account. I want to avoid multiple threads all asking "but what about ______"

I do not mean to cause confusion about a rule that precedes my role as admin, but it has been coming up a lot as of late for some reason. I do not want to undermine the moderators either.

I need to rewrite this rule better.

stay tuned. ok headed to a meeting for real now i'll be back though
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I am still trying to work it out- honestly I probably will just have to wait and see. I need to actually see specific examples to get it.

What about someone who has a thread promoting her youtube channel? Will the thread get to stay up?
Originally Posted by ruralcurls
If you notice things that you think violate the rules, you can notify me via PM or email bc we can't catch 'em all on our own. I do not know what thread you are referring to. The thing about Youtube is that I'd have to inquire if someone makes money from it. For example I've posted my own youtube video before. It is not monetized though, so I gain nothing financially from potentially a large group of new viewers coming to watch.

case by case. *sigh*
Originally Posted by atx_eve
I don't envy you one little bit right now.

It seems like it is all such a grey area right now. What if somebody just does Etsy for fun? Just charges the cost of materials and doesn't make a profit? Sure, a youtube channel might not make any money at the moment, but if does start to get advertisers it gets shut down? How do you know they are not being compensated in some way?

So the difference between a person who starts a thread, *I started my own youtube channel* vs *I started my own Etsy Shop* is one is supposedly making a profit?

Thank you for taking the time to answer.

Last edited by ruralcurls; 05-02-2013 at 10:34 AM.
asking or clarifying rules via PM means you will ALWAYS be answering or explaining the same rules over and over. Better to allow it in the open so OTHERS are in the know. Keeping it secretive means NO ONES KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING. which means people will remain confused. Why does it matter if people object?
I'm not trying to be snarky, but I'm seeing a lot of complaining and posters being argumentative, and it just doesn't feel like it's being done in an effort to improve things or make things run smoothly on the boards. At the same time no one is willing to step up to volunteer as a moderator. Why not throw your name into the hat and offer your help? Wouldn't it be more productive?

I hope this post will be taken in the spirit in which it was intended.
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A note on cursing, context, etc.

As stated, the cursing issue is covered in the rules for the sake of minors on the board. That's why cursing of any kind is not allowed. There are adult users who don't appreciate having to read that sort of language, either, of course, but the rule is mainly for minors.

Context is considered, to a degree. Cursing alone is violation of rules. Cursing with the intent of insulting another member is breaking two rules.

As far as inconsistency goes, you are correct. The moderation is somewhat inconsistent. But that is in no way because we are picking favorites or targets or etc. It is simply because we have not seen or been made aware of all the problems or offenses.

We encourage you to report problems when you see them, that way we can address the issue. The majority of the issues we interject in are ones that were reported!
A note on cursing, context, etc.

As stated, the cursing issue is covered in the rules for the sake of minors on the board. That's why cursing of any kind is not allowed. There are adult users who don't appreciate having to read that sort of language, either, of course, but the rule is mainly for minors.

Context is considered, to a degree. Cursing alone is violation of rules. Cursing with the intent of insulting another member is breaking two rules.

As far as inconsistency goes, you are correct. The moderation is somewhat inconsistent. But that is in no way because we are picking favorites or targets or etc. It is simply because we have not seen or been made aware of all the problems or offenses.

We encourage you to report problems when you see them, that way we can address the issue. The majority of the issues we interject in are ones that were reported!
Originally Posted by Guide36
Thank you for being the first guide to actually acknowledge the inconsistency. This is where many member frustrations stem from.

Especially since a complaint sometimes only means someone's feelings got hurt, which doesn't always mean something wrong has been done.

I'd totally volunteer to help moderate.
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I'm not trying to be snarky, but I'm seeing a lot of complaining and posters being argumentative, and it just doesn't feel like it's being done in an effort to improve things or make things run smoothly on the boards. At the same time no one is willing to step up to volunteer as a moderator. Why not throw your name into the hat and offer your help? Wouldn't it be more productive?

I hope this post will be taken in the spirit in which it was intended.
Originally Posted by medussa
spirit noted

The volunteer mods we do have are dedicated and do their best (and will do even better once I get this rule solidified). I agree that we could always use more volunteers. But as you noted, looking at the interactions on the board doesn't exactly make someone want to jump at the chance.

Helpers always welcome and appreciated Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
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asking or clarifying rules via PM means you will ALWAYS be answering or explaining the same rules over and over. Better to allow it in the open so OTHERS are in the know. Keeping it secretive means NO ONES KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING. which means people will remain confused. Why does it matter if people object?
Originally Posted by Nej
I believe writing the rule(s) in question better would prevent the mass confusion you are describing, but all in all, we have always asked that those conversations happen in private. That ensures the CurlTalk user's business isn't out there, and also prevents the very common act of ganging up on a singular moderator.

can't really budge on that one. but on my end, making the sure the rules are clear is the best way to prevent that in the first place. gracias!
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*VENT*- I am currently upset because I have been coming on here for over a year. Being curly isn't just great for myself, but to be able to talk to other fellow curlies makes it even better. That being said, it makes me sad when I post a thread and people have to be rude and act like because they have been on the site longer, they have higher authority to make comments. That is not the case. Also, people need to understand the concept of tone and typing- there isn't one!! Therefore, people need to make sure they literally write out how they are feeling. Something simple such as: "I am not trying to be rude and mean no offense, but I do not agree." Or: "Unfortunately, I am not understanding how using too much conditioner can be a problem. Are you sure you don't need more?" As one can read, both of these examples elicited a positive, although disagreeing response. They weren't rude. Furthermore, people need to be nicer even when they disagree. It makes me want to delete my account and I NEVER felt that way.
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I posted on the thread you're referring to and I don't think anyone was rude. Bare in mind those of us using the mobile app can't see signatures, nor do we automatically Sr or look at how long you have been a member, and your original post didn't explain why you don't like to condition, so people were understandably confused. I think you may be taking what was meant as constructive advice as criticism, where none was leveled at you. You may want to consider revisiting the thread and offering more information about your individual situation, so that you can get some more detailed advice that you may find more useful.

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*VENT*- I am currently upset because I have been coming on here for over a year. Being curly isn't just great for myself, but to be able to talk to other fellow curlies makes it even better. That being said, it makes me sad when I post a thread and people have to be rude and act like because they have been on the site longer, they have higher authority to make comments. That is not the case. Also, people need to understand the concept of tone and typing- there isn't one!! Therefore, people need to make sure they literally write out how they are feeling. Something simple such as: "I am not trying to be rude and mean no offense, but I do not agree." Or: "Unfortunately, I am not understanding how using too much conditioner can be a problem. Are you sure you don't need more?" As one can read, both of these examples elicited a positive, although disagreeing response. They weren't rude. Furthermore, people need to be nicer even when they disagree. It makes me want to delete my account and I NEVER felt that way.
Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz
I've been saying this for the longest! Finally someone who has been feeling the same way.

I'm so over the users who act like that, we are all equals. You are not better than me and I am no better than you. Users who don't understand this lose my respect.

So over the snarkiness.

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