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We realize the recent changes and rules that are being enforced may spark some need for discussion amongst the members of this community. We have reconsidered (at this time) that we will allow respectful comments, questions and general discussion of the rules and changes on this thread, so long as they remain so. We will try to answer questions promptly, and reserve the right to moderate this thread at all times. Standard site rules apply. Snide, rude, bashing comments will be deleted. Please participate in a civil manner at all times.

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I'm confused about gifs b/c someone said their's were getting deleted, but I see some here today (I like them.). Can we do those, and can we post pictures?
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I'm confused about gifs b/c someone said their's were getting deleted, but I see some here today (I like them.). Can we do those, and can we post pictures?
Originally Posted by Blackbanjogirl
Yes, you may post gifs. They just have to be within guidelines.
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OK - I'm gonna go for it.

How did the powers that be get the idea that cursing was a problem? How is that at all related to the concerns about racism, bullying, etc. that were raised? Do you all realize that focussing on this now makes it look as if you either missed the concerns raised, or do not give a darn about them, or are woring to actively spite and undermine them?

We are the customers or potential customers - do you believe that we are here on sufferance at the owners' privilege, or do our wants and needs actually matter and do we have a right to raise them?

As to cursing, my understanding of why people circumvent the censors is that cursing is more or less offensive depending on the context. Hence, someone venting that they had a (expletive) day, or someone else in their real life treats them like (expletive) or their medical condition makes them feel like (expletive) is less problematic than member A telling member B she is a piece of (expletive) and a (expletive) and she should go (expletive.) Are we now not seeing a difference?

As to racist or other -ist commentary, are we now going to be looking just at the words in and of themselves, or will context still matter? For example, let's say a sarcastic comment is made in response to someone else's questionable statement - i.e. someone says that maybe Trayvon Martin was up to no good, and I respond "Yes, maybe he was, because everyone knows that a young Black man would only be out on the streets at night to rob and shoot someone. They should just go ahead and kill all the young Black men now to keep everyone safe." OBVIOUSLY that would be sarcasm - but could my post be reported and censored, or I be warned or banned, because without the context the words appear racist? If the context will be considered, then why not for swearing?
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OK - I'm gonna go for it.

How did the powers that be get the idea that cursing was a problem? How is that at all related to the concerns about racism, bullying, etc. that were raised? Do you all realize that focussing on this now makes it look as if you either missed the concerns raised, or do not give a darn about them, or are woring to actively spite and undermine them?

We are the customers or potential customers - do you believe that we are here on sufferance at the owners' privilege, or do our wants and needs actually matter and do we have a right to raise them?

As to cursing, my understanding of why people circumvent the censors is that cursing is more or less offensive depending on the context. Hence, someone venting that they had a (expletive) day, or someone else in their real life treats them like (expletive) or their medical condition makes them feel like (expletive) is less problematic than member A telling member B she is a piece of (expletive) and a (expletive) and she should go (expletive.) Are we now not seeing a difference?

As to racist or other -ist commentary, are we now going to be looking just at the words in and of themselves, or will context still matter? For example, let's say a sarcastic comment is made in response to someone else's questionable statement - i.e. someone says that maybe Trayvon Martin was up to no good, and I respond "Yes, maybe he was, because everyone knows that a young Black man would only be out on the streets at night to rob and shoot someone. They should just go ahead and kill all the young Black men now to keep everyone safe." OBVIOUSLY that would be sarcasm - but could my post be reported and censored, or I be warned or banned, because without the context the words appear racist? If the context will be considered, then why not for swearing?
Originally Posted by Amneris
The powers that be did not decide that cursing was the main priority. The issue that many members expressed was that there was inconsistent moderation on the curltalk boards. The decision was to analyze the rules and guidelines, make revisions or additions as needed, and enforce the rules that were set. All we are asking is that members abide by the guidelines that were set for this community. CurlTalk is not just a place for adults, but also for minors who may wish to participate in the community. We want to have an environment that is appropriate for anyone to participate.

We do not believe we would be exercising consistency by enforcing one rule while overlooking or being lenient on another. That played into a big part of the issues we experienced previously. We are learning from those mistakes and do not wish to repeat any of them. We have expressed our deep regrets for issues we made mistakes on in the past and hope that members will allow a chance for us to implement our new system and for everyone to adjust to the atmosphere we wish to develop.
I'm also going to go for it.

And in the response to Amneris's post....really? You guys got from that discussion of "There isn't consistency with the moderation of racist/sexist/homophobic slurs" that we were asking for more moderation across the board, that we all wanted every little thing nitpicked? We want every post with a swear word closely moderated because everyone on curl talk suddenly has infant eyes and ears and can't handle the swearing that they hear in real life on a regular basis? How did you guys come to THAT conclusion? No one said, "PLEASE MODERATE US MORE! WE NEED YOUR GUIDANCE ABOUT ALL THE THINGS!" We said, "Come on now, people are getting away with saying racist/sexist/homophobic things, and we're getting trouble for calling them on it? Why not moderate that!" Now we have a board where the smallest things are being nitpicked, and it really seems like you are just putting a bandaid on bigger issues. The answer to Amneris's post shows that the mods, in general, missed the point, big time.

All the babysitting... that's just frustrating. For example, a thread where discussion was changing because that's what threads do, a mod came in and told us to stay on topic, even though there was no inappropriate behavior coming from the way the discussion was turned. Since when do the mods feel like they need to come in and bring us all back to a conversation that we've moved on from so we can "stay on topic"?
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I only came here to agree with the poster above.

We now have mods nannying us to stay on topic ... We are adults and not toddlers.
Topics morphing into different discussion happens in almost every thread on this forum, so why this one ? What was being said that warranted the warning ?

The thread in question was very light hearted . No insults , no personal attacks , it was not even heated ; just people talking about secret societies, science and evolution .

Then my post about not babysitting the thread was removed . Really ?
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I agree that the Illuminati thread did not appear to be getting heated, and that a mod jumped in unnecessarily.

Had it become hostile, she could easily have stopped it then, instead.

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In retrospect, a mistake was made in requesting to stay on topic in the Illuminati thread. Mistakes can and will happen. Thanks for letting us know your thoughts and we're working to get this thing down but we'll make imperfect decisions now and then.
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I only came here to agree with the poster above.

We now have mods nannying us to stay on topic ... We are adults and not toddlers.
Topics morphing into different discussion happens in almost every thread on this forum, so why this one ? What was being said that warranted the warning ?

The thread in question was very light hearted . No insults , no personal attacks , it was not even heated ; just people talking about secret societies, science and evolution .

Then my post about not babysitting the thread was removed . Really ?
Originally Posted by ttlolla
This thread was started for respectful questions to be asked and civil comments to be made.

Posts inside of a thread that do not agree with the moderator action will be removed per CurlTalk Rules and Guidelines.

MODERATION AND INFRACTIONS: If you receive a warning or infraction for one of your posts and have a question about the moderation, please PM a Forum Moderator to receive clarity. Derailing the thread in question with arguments about the moderation is not allowed and any such posts will be removed by the CurlTalk staff.
What happened to the option to block another poster?
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The moderators are members here on the board who volunteer their time. If you have questions, concerns or suggestions please send me a pm. Who knows, we maybe able to implement them. JeepCurlyGirl can attest to that. Hope to hear from you.

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Ahh, the mysterious Guide 22. Who is she? She is a member who volunteers her time to put out the fires that develop from the smoldering volcano known as Curltalk.

She is a referee who sometimes needs to make the tough and unpopular call. Will she sometimes make mistakes, uh yeah, she made a doozy of one the other day (but rectified it). She owns up to them however. She wants the old members to continue to find it enjoyable here, but understand that some things had/have to change from time to time. Some changes are good (Curltalk), some changes not so much, but are necessary (the rules/guidelines), some changes are bad (the Gurus, Trending Topics). (She might add voicing your concerns in a respectful, non-confrontational manner really makes a difference). She wants the new members to feel comfortable joining and not be turned away due to offensive behavior or postings.

She is well aware that she is not popular in some circles, which is unfortunate. But if you don't abide by the rules, she will call you on it, and you may get a penalty flag. She is not just a spam jockey (although it seems like it at times, it gets crazy). And for those non sports minded people, that would be like you posting an All-recipes recipe and calling it gourmet. Saria would call you out on it for sure.

She is here to help, she is here to learn more about her hair and to learn period (there are a lot of smart people on this board).

Once again, please pm me with any questions, concerns, or suggestions. As you can tell we have been listening.

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Last edited by maria_i; 04-07-2013 at 11:24 AM.
I have questions about signatures. Is no advertising allowed? What exactly is allowed in sigs? Many people have links to companies, blogs, and may have links to their own personal blogs. What about people who say come follow me *here* but don't have an actual link?

There was recently a warning in the Say It thread that made me think none of those things would be tolerated anymore. I am just trying to clarify.

Thank you for your help.
I'm honestly curious about blog, YouTube channels and such in signatures. People here sell product samples (not on the swap board) and state such on the hair boards. The knitting thread talks about Etsy shops run by members.

I'm just not sure where the line is, here. Not trying to be snarky.

Thank you for all the spam killing. Baby Calvin knows there's plenty to report.
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Yes. The spam killing is fantastic.

And I forgot about youtube. Thanks, RCC.

ETA: If those things are no longer allowed, I do understand you can't make every single one go poof immediately. But there are posters with those things who post most days and nothing seems to have been said to them.

Last edited by ruralcurls; 04-28-2013 at 11:15 AM.
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Thank you for bringing these situations to our attention. We will discuss and give you a definitive answer within the week.
Thanks! I know it's a fuzzy area.
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