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Old 11-06-2006, 03:24 PM   #21
 
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which one of the terms describes the frizz that happens when a clump of curls doesn't fuse together all the way, and you can kinda see spaces in between the strands?
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which one of the terms describes the frizz that happens when a clump of curls doesn't fuse together all the way, and you can kinda see spaces in between the strands?
In-the-Curls Frizz--This frizz occurs within the curls themselves so that the curls have a lack of smoothness or order. Frequently, this occurs between the curls, blurring the line of definition. This commonly is caused by stickier stylers and products with ionic charges that cause hairs to attract to each other.

could it be that? I have a question about that kind of frizz. I don't use sticky stylers, but I got that kind of firzz today, and how do you know if a product has ionic charges?
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which one of the terms describes the frizz that happens when a clump of curls doesn't fuse together all the way, and you can kinda see spaces in between the strands?
In-the-Curls Frizz--This frizz occurs within the curls themselves so that the curls have a lack of smoothness or order. Frequently, this occurs between the curls, blurring the line of definition. This commonly is caused by stickier stylers and products with ionic charges that cause hairs to attract to each other.

could it be that? I have a question about that kind of frizz. I don't use sticky stylers, but I got that kind of frizz today, and how do you know if a product has ionic charges?
If there isn't any clumping/definition, it'd be more fluffy/poofball frizz.

If the frizz is between the curls like a netting and within the circumference of individual curls, angiecurls is right, it'd be In-the-Curls Frizz.

As for ionic charges, certain brands advertise they use them. Otherwise, it's by experience.
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so would you call this poofball or some other kind?



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so would you call this poofball or some other kind?
It looks pretty poofball, but it also looks like some curl definition might have held on (hard to tell from the pic). If so, it would be fluffy frizz.
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so would you call this poofball or some other kind?
It looks pretty poofball, but it also looks like some curl definition might have held on (hard to tell from the pic). If so, it would be fluffy frizz.
I see the random clumps of definition in this pic!

Thanks laurabeth33 and angiecurls for helping me diagnose particular case of In-the-Curls Frizz. Any ideas on a remedy?
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laurabeth ~ Do you think it is possible to get frizz from the products reacting to one another? For example if I use recoil by itself I get frizz but if I use it with a gel don't. I have also noticed if I use a certain leave-in I get frizz if I use it with a cream. What do you think?
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laurabeth ~ Do you think it is possible to get frizz from the products reacting to one another? For example if I use recoil by itself I get frizz but if I use it with a gel don't. I have also noticed if I use a certain leave-in I get frizz if I use it with a cream. What do you think?
It sounds like you need more hold with re:coil than re:coil offers alone.

The leave-in plus cream could be overconditioning or suffocation (if it's more crimped frizz).
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LauraBeth wrote:

Good question...I should have been more specific. Ionic hair dryers aren't the issue. Some products (ISO, Joico, and several other Zotos brands are forthright about using this technology) ionically charge their ingredients to have a positive charge so that negative-charged hair attracts their products, in theory, creating more evenly healthy-acting hair. However, when all the hairs next to each other have the same charge, like repels like and spider weby frizz is created.



How can you tell which products contain the ionically-charged ingredients?

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How can you tell which products contain the ionically-charged ingredients?
The company would have to advertise it. I *think* polyquaterniums/quaterniums are charged in nature, but, of course, the concentration would be a question.
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How can you tell which products contain the ionically-charged ingredients?
The company would have to advertise it. I *think* polyquaterniums/quaterniums are charged in nature, but, of course, the concentration would be a question.
so polyquats are good for frizz?
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How can you tell which products contain the ionically-charged ingredients?
The company would have to advertise it. I *think* polyquaterniums/quaterniums are charged in nature, but, of course, the concentration would be a question.
so polyquats are good for frizz?
No, it sounds to me like they can cause frizz. Am I reading correctly?
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Laurabeth: What is it called when you have what seems like curlier coaser hair that won't cooperate with the rest of the curls?
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Laurabeth: What is it called when you have what seems like curlier coarser hair that won't cooperate with the rest of the curls?
Wiry Frizz --individual hairs that are coarse and wiry; frequently, these hairs are gray which causes the wiry texture.
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Laurabeth: What is it called when you have what seems like curlier coarser hair that won't cooperate with the rest of the curls?
Wiry Frizz --individual hairs that are coarse and wiry; frequently, these hairs are gray which causes the wiry texture.
Mines not gray, but I'm glad to know what to call it now. Thanks a bunch
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How do I tame this type of frizz?
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How do I tame this type of frizz?
This is one of the absolute toughest ones to tame. I've found 2 things really make a difference.

1. Coloring your hair, even just with a clear coat since your wiry frizz isn't gray. This is counterintuitive since it's damaging to color your hair, but it seemed to help because the hair shaft is opened and filled with either color or clear coat and then forced closed again.

2. I've helped mine some between colorings with layering creams/thicker leave-ins under my stylers. This only really helps in cooler temps because, for me in FL, warmer temps mean high humidity and the other frizz types rear their fury when I use thicker creams/leave-ins in warmer temps.
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How do I tame this type of frizz?
This is one of the absolute toughest ones to tame. I've found 2 things really make a difference.

1. Coloring your hair, even just with a clear coat since your wiry frizz isn't gray. This is counterintuitive since it's damaging to color your hair, but it seemed to help because the hair shaft is opened and filled with either color or clear coat and then forced closed again.

2. I've helped mine some between colorings with layering creams/thicker leave-ins under my stylers. This only really helps in cooler temps because, for me in FL, warmer temps mean high humidity and the other frizz types rear their fury when I use thicker creams/leave-ins in warmer temps.
I think there is something to that. My nape frizz is either wiry or crimped. It is mostly a clump of individual hairs that "curl" at right angles or just fly frizzily straight. I think that some is due to nature as that clump has been bothersome since at least the age of 5.

You can see some of it here.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paulooly...803752361964/5

It does behave better the first week to 10 days after coloring. After that, I think that section could be DT'd every day and not get overconditioned.
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I thought this might come in handy for the summer
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