MASTERPOST: Types of Frizz

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shoulder length inverted bob; fine; 3A-3B; med-thick density; normal porosity; normal elasticity- my hair loves keratin, ACV, silk protein ,Curlkeeper and AG:Recoil ; seems to hate moisturizing products and oils except mineral oil; CG- Jan/'09-mod CG Sept/'09;CG again Jan/'10/mod CG from Mar'10

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Something strange that I've noticed: on day 1 my hair looks and feels soft. Once it starts to get frizzy (often day 2), it feels drier. I think it is both because it has actually lost some moisture, but not only: if I twirl a frizzy curl a bit it feels softer. Don't know if this makes any sense - hard to describe.

The bit about frizzy tubes made me laugh - I've had this (along with several of the other frizz types)!

One thing that really helps me with frizz is to sort of smooth the curls and get them to clump. I do this when I've put in products, and use both a comb and my Denman. This is a really key step - if I don't do this properly I get much more frizz. Sometimes I need to finish off with combing again - if the Denman has gotten my hairs to sort of lie along the same line, but broken up the clumps. It's partly about product distribution, but partly about getting the strands to not struggle in different directions. Again not sure if my explanation makes sense.
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3a; med-coarse; ii; med or high porosity (or a mix); med elasticity
Wash: CJ DFCC, low-poo (varies).
Conditioner: CJAO, CJ Smoothing Daily Conditioner, Fructis Triple Nutrition.
DT: CJ Curl Rehab.
Styling: CJ CCCC-lite, Komaza Coconut Lotion, Komaza Coconut Pudding, BRHG, MGA SRSG.
Tools: curlease towel, wide toothed plastic comb, Braun Satin Pro Diffuser.
Experimenting with: CJ CIAB, Fuzzy Duck Gel
Current HG: CJ CCCC-lite+BRHG
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Thanks Laurabeth!! I've been having issues with frizz and oils. Most of the products I've been using have oils in them, and by accident the other day, I discovered that the oils were really my problem with the "odd" looking frizz that I was getting.

I kept scratching my head trying to figure out how it could be that my hair would rather not have oil on it, and apparently it's because it was suffocating - very interesting.

Since I've stopped using products with oil in it, my definition has been fabulous and my hair actually feels softer.

I have very coarse hair, so soft is relative in my case, but it's softer than it ever was when I used products with oils.

Now, I just have to find some good conditioning oil free products to take me through this cold winter.I'm open to suggestions.
Currently:Alaffia Shea & Coconut Enriching Shampoo, Alaffia Virgin Coconut & Shea Enriching Hair Lotion, Qhemet Amla Olive Heavy Cream, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Gel.

Last Texturizer: March 12, 2008
BC: July 21, 2008
Hair: Coarse, low porosity, iii.

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"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome". ~ Albert Einstein
s-curl-7 your curls are wonderful. I love your avatar and your fotki,
shoulder length inverted bob; fine; 3A-3B; med-thick density; normal porosity; normal elasticity- my hair loves keratin, ACV, silk protein ,Curlkeeper and AG:Recoil ; seems to hate moisturizing products and oils except mineral oil; CG- Jan/'09-mod CG Sept/'09;CG again Jan/'10/mod CG from Mar'10

receive $10 off 1st order of $40 & up, or $5 off on smaller orders, when using iHERB code: GIK909
Thanks Laurabeth!! I've been having issues with frizz and oils. Most of the products I've been using have oils in them, and by accident the other day, I discovered that the oils were really my problem with the "odd" looking frizz that I was getting.

I kept scratching my head trying to figure out how it could be that my hair would rather not have oil on it, and apparently it's because it was suffocating - very interesting.

Since I've stopped using products with oil in it, my definition has been fabulous and my hair actually feels softer.

I have very coarse hair, so soft is relative in my case, but it's softer than it ever was when I used products with oils.

Now, I just have to find some good conditioning oil free products to take me through this cold winter.I'm open to suggestions.
Originally Posted by OnyxCabelo

I wanted to add a little more about oils, especially for coarse hair. In my opinion, certain oils can cause your hair to feel dry, crimpy, and straw like, as well as frizz. In addition to the suffocation problem, you have to consider an oils relationship to protein. In general, if you have coarse hair, you want to avoid coconut, jojoba and IMO wheat germ oil. Overuse of these oils have caused frizz in my hair.

Coconut oil prevents protein loss and may even work to strengthen the protein in hair. For coarse hair, which has too much protein, this is a disaster. Also avoid coconut milk/coconut cream. When I use too much coconut problems I my hair sticks out like I've been electrocuted. The curl definition separates and there just is a big frizzy (a beit glossy) mess.

Jojoba and wheat germ contain small amounts of protein. Depending on where in the ingredient list these oils are, the product may contain high amounts of protein from these oils. There is still a debate about the protein content in wheat germ oil. I think, if you have coarse hair you should avoid it.

Suffocation caused by oils may have to do with their absorption rate. Oils can either be absorbed fast, average or prolonged. It is the prolonged one that concern me. They may sit on the cuticle and potentially cause suffocation. For instance, avocado, castor, fractionated coconut oils have prolonged absorption, meaning they can sit on the hair surface for a long time. Unrefined coconut oil and lanolin fail to absorb at all. Olive olive, jojoba, macadamia nut oil absorbtion rates are fast. These oils sink more readily into hair and skin, thus they don't leave a greasy feel. Since they sink in pretty fast, my theory is they also won't cause suffocation if not overused.

I'm going to start a thread on oils so maybe others can chime in with info. edited: see thread "Oils-the good, the bad, and the ugly"

I hope this also helped.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
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CO: protein free MRcondish
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Last edited by belasuna; 09-18-2009 at 03:24 PM.
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Coily/low porosity/fine
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Thanks Laurabeth!! I've been having issues with frizz and oils. Most of the products I've been using have oils in them, and by accident the other day, I discovered that the oils were really my problem with the "odd" looking frizz that I was getting.

I kept scratching my head trying to figure out how it could be that my hair would rather not have oil on it, and apparently it's because it was suffocating - very interesting.

Since I've stopped using products with oil in it, my definition has been fabulous and my hair actually feels softer.

I have very coarse hair, so soft is relative in my case, but it's softer than it ever was when I used products with oils.

Now, I just have to find some good conditioning oil free products to take me through this cold winter.I'm open to suggestions.
Originally Posted by OnyxCabelo

I wanted to add a little more about oils, especially for coarse hair. In my opinion, certain oils can cause your hair to feel dry, crimpy, and straw like, as well as frizz. In addition to the suffocation problem, you have to consider an oils relationship to protein. In general, if you have coarse hair, you want to avoid coconut, jojoba and IMO wheat germ oil. Overuse of these oils have caused frizz in my hair.

Coconut oil prevents protein loss and may even work to strengthen the protein in hair. For coarse hair, which has too much protein, this is a disaster. Also avoid coconut milk/coconut cream. When I use too much coconut problems I my hair sticks out like I've been electrocuted. The curl definition separates and there just is a big frizzy (a beit glossy) mess.

Jojoba and wheat germ contain small amounts of protein. Depending on where in the ingredient list these oils are, the product may contain high amounts of protein from these oils. There is still a debate about the protein content in wheat germ oil. I think, if you have coarse hair you should avoid it.

Suffocation caused by oils may have to do with their absorption rate. Oils can either be absorbed fast, average or prolonged. It is the prolonged one that concern me. They may sit on the cuticle and potentially cause suffocation. For instance, avocado, castor, fractionated coconut oils have prolonged absorption, meaning they can sit on the hair surface for a long time. Unrefined coconut oil and lanolin fail to absorb at all. Olive olive, jojoba, macadamia nut oil absorbtion rates are fast. These oils sink more readily into hair and skin, thus they don't leave a greasy feel. Since they sink in pretty fast, my theory is they also won't cause suffocation if not overused.

I'm going to start a thread on oils so maybe others can chime in with info. edited: see thread "Oils-the good, the bad, and the ugly"

I hope this also helped.
Originally Posted by belasuna
I appreciate it - thank you. My hair didn't like olive oil either though, so I don't know - I think my hair is just being a snot.
Currently:Alaffia Shea & Coconut Enriching Shampoo, Alaffia Virgin Coconut & Shea Enriching Hair Lotion, Qhemet Amla Olive Heavy Cream, Qhemet Honeybush Tea Gel.

Last Texturizer: March 12, 2008
BC: July 21, 2008
Hair: Coarse, low porosity, iii.

Certified Denirophile

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome". ~ Albert Einstein

Last edited by OnyxCabelo; 09-18-2009 at 09:23 PM.
s-curl-7 your curls are wonderful. I love your avatar and your fotki,
Originally Posted by Frizzly
Thank you!

Re oils: for I can't use pure oil on my hair but my hair seems to like products with oils in them.
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3a; med-coarse; ii; med or high porosity (or a mix); med elasticity
Wash: CJ DFCC, low-poo (varies).
Conditioner: CJAO, CJ Smoothing Daily Conditioner, Fructis Triple Nutrition.
DT: CJ Curl Rehab.
Styling: CJ CCCC-lite, Komaza Coconut Lotion, Komaza Coconut Pudding, BRHG, MGA SRSG.
Tools: curlease towel, wide toothed plastic comb, Braun Satin Pro Diffuser.
Experimenting with: CJ CIAB, Fuzzy Duck Gel
Current HG: CJ CCCC-lite+BRHG
http://public.fotki.com/s-curl-7/
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Are there any recommended products for each type of frizz?
In-the-Curls Frizz--This frizz occurs within the curls themselves so that the curls have a lack of smoothness or order. Frequently, this occurs between the curls, blurring the line of definition. This commonly is caused by stickier stylers and products with ionic charges that cause hairs to attract to each other.

Frizzy Tubes--This is a love-hate type of frizz. On one side, it doesn't allow curls to be broken up by the frizz. On the other hand, the curls, which are formed into non-enlongated, Shirley Temple ringlets, are frizzy in that tubular shape, hence the name Frizzy Tubes.

Fluffy Frizz--Unlike poofball where all definition is gone, fluffy frizz exists when individual strips of definition can be identified but each one is fluffy with frizz. This is often rooted in a lack of moisture.


If im not wrong I have all 3. I have curls nice 3b curls but there are lots of hair strands that dont curl with the curl which makes my curls look alittle poofy. What is the differnce betweem In the curls frizz and frizzy tubes? About the frizz in the curls I mean what can I do to fix it?
3b/3c hair
texture-medium
porosity-high unfortunetly
Cowash-suave naturals
leave-in- Lustrasilk chl.+sb&m
gel-he smu
still working on routine
CG since-2-2-10

canopy oh canopy why do you have to be so damaged
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3b/3c hair
texture-medium
porosity-high unfortunetly
Cowash-suave naturals
leave-in- Lustrasilk chl.+sb&m
gel-he smu
still working on routine
CG since-2-2-10

canopy oh canopy why do you have to be so damaged
surface frizz, something im plagued it. i playfully nicknamed it "5 year old hair", cause it reminds me of when i was little and my hair got fuzzy.
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3b/3c hair
texture-medium
porosity-high unfortunetly
Cowash-suave naturals
leave-in- Lustrasilk chl.+sb&m
gel-he smu
still working on routine
CG since-2-2-10

canopy oh canopy why do you have to be so damaged
OMG! This makes my head spin!
Type: 3a, fine, thin, low porosity Water/Climate: soft/ marine Washes: water w/washcloth, shikakai, clay Condition: Style:Seamollient, CurlsPFCCP, Miracurl, Gel-les'c, CK; rudeechick's super soaker method; blot, air dry 30 min; diffuse Also: coconut oil

Just came across this thread. WOW!! Explains a lot about frizz. Definitely valuable info.

I was wondering if anyone knows how to tackle the frizzy/frayed ends? I've tried EVERYTHING under the sun, including cutting them off, but they still COME BACK.

Does anyone have a good regimen or could direct me to a thread that tackles this problem?

Thanks in advance.
wow! Lots of frizz types!!!! I need to read it again, i dunno which type of frizz i have!

Very high dews (70F or more) and lots of humidity (above 80%)
3a/3b mostly, normal porosity, medium texture (I think)

Sometimes I use: TRESemme flawless curls shampoo
Co-wash: Suave Green Apple
Conditioner: Garnier Fructis Oil Repair
Styling: Flaxseed gel, shea moisture curl enhancing smoothie

Still experimenting...



My bottom-most layer of curls has generally been a layer of frizz when it dries, no curls, just frizzy-frizz-frizz. I'm not exactly what type it is, I'm pretty sure my hair is usually...

slight surface frizz, then at the very bottom like I said, just poofball frizz.
mod cg since feb. 18th, 2010
2b/2c, pretty porous and slightly elastic.
garnier fructis s&s, hesmu, and biotera curl creme.

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i'm fine with most frizz, with me being a type 4 and all, but i really hate the frizzy tubes. they look so strange lol. ♥
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3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.

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