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sweetas17 04-08-2010 06:41 PM

Hard Water affect hair?
 
I have very hard water here in NC and was wondering if this affects my hair....I know to keep moisturized, but I wonder if that creates more frizz....anyone else have hard water?

Robin-in-FL 04-08-2010 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetas17 (Post 1313345)
I have very hard water here in NC and was wondering if this affects my hair....I know to keep moisturized, but I wonder if that creates more frizz....anyone else have hard water?

It's different for everyone, I'm sure, but my hair has no problems with hard water. I shampoo once a week or so with a low-poo, and use a lot of conditioner. Clarifying shampoo every couple of months.

The one and only hard rule about very hard water: Stay away from soap bars, or anything with real soap in it, for hair or body or cleaning anything. Real soap will bind with the minerals in the water and the dirt on the hair and create a hard layer of gunk that can cause real problems. Detergents like the dreaded sulfates do NOT cause soap scum, so body wash and shampoo OK (if you use shampoo).

goobernut 04-08-2010 08:23 PM

second what robin said!
 
Some people love how hard water affects their hair. I can tell a big difference and I don't like it. I think it does cause frizz for me. I just wanna echo what Robin said, the only hard and fast rule is DON'T USE SOAP IN HARD WATER!!!

I always link this thread when someone asks about hard water. It may be overkill on info -- but crimson did a fantastic job. Everything you ever wanted to know about hard water heh.

GettinControl 04-09-2010 08:47 AM

Okay, so use sulfate poos for hair and soap free cleanser for skin?

My water recently went from just hard to extremely hard so I am going back to Ouidad Water Works Poo and Robert Craig Extremely Hard Water Poo.

I have the Dove body wash and their beauty bar so are those okay?

goobernut 04-09-2010 09:02 AM

You can get sulfate-free hard water shampoos -- they are just kinda hard to find. Some people order the Malibu Well water and that's sulfate free. I just get serious scalp/oil build up, so I just use the sulfate chelating shampoo 1 - 2x a month to take care of it all.

Beauty bar is not okay. If it is solid = bad for hard water. Especially on your face. But the body wash should be fine.

I didn't know robert craig had a hard water poo! I'll have to check that out.

You know, I just went and checked out the ingred on both of those, and I'm really not impressed. If you have really hard water, citric acid at the bottom of the list is not going to cut it. Also, I would like to say that in my experience "extremely hard water" is not budged by citrus extracts. Seriously. You need something with EDTA or citric acid very high on the list. CJ Daily Fix has both I believe and so does Joico and Kenra's chelating shampoos. The Daily fix doesn't even have any sulfates.

GettinControl 04-09-2010 09:08 AM

I found Malibu to be very harsh. While it says sulfate free it does have C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate or whatever the spelling is and I always read that was a harsh ingredient.

Okay, I'll look into a soap free bodywash. I read Softsoap has one.. and will skip the Dove Beauty Bar(don't use it on my face tho). Thanks!

Yes, Robert Craig has 3 different poos for water: soft, hard, extremely hard. They even have water test strips. They sell full sized bottles or a travel kit that comes with little bottles of each of the water types and some test strips.

I'm using the Paragon Shower Filter from Home Depot, which do you use?

oddityofwings 04-09-2010 10:15 AM

I've got super hard water (East of England - about as bad as it gets, anywhere), and I actually prefer hard to soft. I went back to the US where my parents have a water softener (potassium, not salt), and my hair actually went bezerk. I find my PTs and DTs 'stick' better with hard water. I think it's got something to do with being so porous. I do a chelating cleanse about once or twice a month (Daily Fix, as goobernut recommended above), just to remove any excess buildup. I do find too much hard water creates frizz and causes moisture problems, but as long as I don't have too much and cleanse regularly, I'm fine.

goobernut 04-09-2010 11:49 AM

I'm just using one of the Sprite shower filters. I'm looking into other systems that do better with hard water.

well, there's hard water, and then there is Florida water. I'm not being mean, or picking on Florida, or drinking Florida haterade, I'm just saying Florida water is like a whole 'nother category. I have lived in several different states, and a different country and NOTHING compares to the weirdness that is southern florida water.

Be glad those of you who have nothing to compare it to -- because its better that way. German water was hard, but not so much so that it altered the color of my whites. Even my beige colored clothes take on this gray tinge. And I'm ON CITY WATER! No lie. Hard water run through a softening system, is only slightly better. All the crap that's dissolved in the water to take out some of the harsher chemicals has its own hair issues. I've had slightly hard water and my hair was fine with it.

I didn't say all that to say, "I have it worse than you!" but rather to say that its difficult to understand hard water until one has dealt with it. hah!

Soft water is a whole nother ball of wax and its just as bad as the other end of the spectrum. Some parts of Texas have bizarrely soft water. I only had to deal with that for a couple of nights and it was strange.

On the sodium olefin 14-16 or whatever it is -- I really think that's subjective. The long hair boards talk about how harsh it is, I've found it to be way better than regular sulfates. For me its a great "inbetween" product. Its not as harsh as sodium lauryl sulfate, but helps with build up more than a 'poo made out of nothing but decyl glucoside.

Btw, tell me to shut up if I get annoying. The chemistry of shampoo and hard water is kinda my thing. :) I STILL have not found the perfect low-poo and I suspect I never will. hah.

Curly_Cajun_Femme 04-09-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by goobernut (Post 1314028)
I'm just using one of the Sprite shower filters. I'm looking into other systems that do better with hard water.

well, there's hard water, and then there is Florida water. I'm not being mean, or picking on Florida, or drinking Florida haterade, I'm just saying Florida water is like a whole 'nother category. I have lived in several different states, and a different country and NOTHING compares to the weirdness that is southern florida water.

Be glad those of you who have nothing to compare it to -- because its better that way. German water was hard, but not so much so that it altered the color of my whites. Even my beige colored clothes take on this gray tinge. And I'm ON CITY WATER! No lie. Hard water run through a softening system, is only slightly better. All the crap that's dissolved in the water to take out some of the harsher chemicals has its own hair issues. I've had slightly hard water and my hair was fine with it.

I didn't say all that to say, "I have it worse than you!" but rather to say that its difficult to understand hard water until one has dealt with it. hah!

Soft water is a whole nother ball of wax and its just as bad as the other end of the spectrum. Some parts of Texas have bizarrely soft water. I only had to deal with that for a couple of nights and it was strange.

On the sodium olefin 14-16 or whatever it is -- I really think that's subjective. The long hair boards talk about how harsh it is, I've found it to be way better than regular sulfates. For me its a great "inbetween" product. Its not as harsh as sodium lauryl sulfate, but helps with build up more than a 'poo made out of nothing but decyl glucoside.

Btw, tell me to shut up if I get annoying. The chemistry of shampoo and hard water is kinda my thing. :) I STILL have not found the perfect low-poo and I suspect I never will. hah.

LOL, Goober...

Keep in mind Floridas water has lots of Lime and calcium in the water due to living on a Pennisula made up of shells, lime stone and surrounded by the ocean... Gotta love what it does to appliances, showers and commodes :banghead:...

My curls LOVE soft water and will behave so well with very little product...

dandy 04-09-2010 08:19 PM

hi, finding this very interesting.. do you know if orlando has hard water?? that is where i live.. it smells of sulphur.. i have a sprite filter on my shower too.


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