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lazy loops 11-18-2006 08:48 AM

Still confused about cyclomethicone
 
I'm confused about cyclomethicone & its removal according to the following because I have a product with cyclomethicone as the first ingredient (& dimethiconol as the second). Could someone please clarify this for me? Thanks in advance!

Per http://www.naturallycurly.com/phpBB/...ic.php?t=45874, page two I believe:

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The type of product would not effect buildup; however, the amount of cyclomethicone in a product would.

For example, a conditioner that has cyclomethicone as the 10th ingredient is going to have less of it and will buildp slower than a conditioner with cyclomethicone (or cyclopentasiloxane, more commonly) as the second or third ingredient. Likewise, if a serum is primarily dimethicone and cyclomethicone is lower on the list, it would buildup slower than a primarily cyclomethicone serum like Frizz Ease.

Conditioners generally will have less cyclomethicone than a serum because it is a heavier, more substantial cone. Conditioners are more frequently having cyclopentasiloxane as the second ingredient after water, and these would build up slower than a cyclopentasiloxane serum that has cyclopentasiloxane as the first ingredient.
Per http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlco...es.php?id=5341

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Silicone Cyclomethicone Water soluble? No Recommended cleansing agents cocamidopropyl betaine, cocobetaine, other mild surfactants, or conditioner washing

HalfWavyHalfCurly 11-19-2006 12:22 AM

Every time I've done a search the cyclomethicones are described as volatile carriers, in other words they evaporate after aiding the delivery of other ingredients so I don't see how they can build up. Dimethiconol is another matter.

However, one thing that can end the total 'cone-phobia is knowing that fruit/seed/nut oils, especially combined with essential oils such as peppermint, eucalyptus, lemon, lavender and thyme can actually dissolve silicone polymers and plastic resins used in conditioners and styling products. A few years ago I helped circulate an Aveda article about this because they had a salon product for this very purpose. The article, which unfortunately doesn't seem to be available anymore, explained very well how/why this worked and it helped many CGers better choose their wash CO. Personally, I'd been lucky enough to have started out with a CO which contained tea tree and peppermint oils besides 2-3 seed/nut oils so I never had any problem with build up, even when sometimes I had to use a CO or styling product with 'cones. But happiness doesn't last and the formula was changed so now I guess I'll have to add the oils myself.

Also, some say vinegar rinse doesn't remove 'cones but during a search long ago I found that ascetic acid does break down pretty much what the above mentioned oils do. I survived 45 days of using a cream gel with dimethicone every 2 days at a time I didn't have my usual wash CO with me. I had started doing white vinegar rinses to get rid of scalp build-up and continued using it because it also kept my hair build-up free. However, if the water is hard, vinegar will NOT be enough to combat both.

As for Frizz Ease, if I remember correctly it contains several other hard-core 'cones as do most anti-frizz serums, so I doubt cyclomethicone is the villain there. However, I myself cringe at the thought of using that at all, perhaps once in a very blue moon for straightening purposes only (followed maybe by a shampoo and DT) but certainly not as a general routine for curly hair, all those 'cones WILL build up and eventually suffocate the hair by keeping moisture out.

spacedcowgirl 11-21-2006 01:13 PM

HalfWavyHalfCurly--what would you advise for someone on CG who wants to remove hard water buildup without shampooing? We have a water softener but I know some of it still gets through. Iron seems to be the big issue but I think there are some minerals as well. Thanks in advance.

HalfWavyHalfCurly 11-21-2006 02:41 PM

The water softener isn't working well? Bummer! I once lived in a house where there was one and I couldn't drink the water because it tasted salty so maybe it's the salt now that is giving you trouble. ACV rinses work pretty well and I think so does the "Lemon-Aid", which saves you one step. Just make sure to leave it on your hair a few mins. The only thing is that some people who have used these regularly have reported either that their hair lightened a little and/or dryness but if you use the minimum amount of ACV or lemon/lime juice that will do the job and do regular DTs and/or moisturize your hair frequently you don't need to worry.

lazy loops 12-02-2006 10:02 PM

Sorry it took me so long to get back to this thread; I forgot about it! :oops:

Anyhow, I returned the Fx Special Effects Silk Drops to Walgreen's. I won't be working my greenhouse job much longer, so I won't need the smoothing serum after all! :D

Thanks for the information all the same!


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