CG + Hard Water= Sulfates?

Hi! I am new to naturallycurly.com...I have been modified CG for about 2 months (alternate co wash with low poos) but have noticed that my hair becomes completely lifeless and my 2b/3a curls become non-existent. I am pretty sure we have hard water so I poo'd with a sulfate shampoo once, and my hair has been so much better! Is there any other way to clarify my hair from the hard water or should I use a sulfate shampoo every so often? Thoughts? Thanks!
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
Hi! I am new to naturallycurly.com...I have been modified CG for about 2 months (alternate co wash with low poos) but have noticed that my hair becomes completely lifeless and my 2b/3a curls become non-existent. I am pretty sure we have hard water so I poo'd with a sulfate shampoo once, and my hair has been so much better! Is there any other way to clarify my hair from the hard water or should I use a sulfate shampoo every so often? Thoughts? Thanks!
Originally Posted by SegB
Sounds like what you need is a chelating cleanser to remove that stuff.

Aubrey's Organics Swimmers Shampoo does that. Sulfate free

Curl Junkie Daily Fix Cleanser does also

off the top of my head I cant think of anything else...hopefully others will chime in.

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Thanks so much for the suggestions!
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
Anything with EDTA high up on the ingredient list will remove hard water. Citric acid is okay, but not as effective.

I'd suggest not trying the AO Swimmer's shampoo - it's soap based and though it'll get rid of the hard water, it'll also leave you with soap scum - in your hair.
3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

Favourites:
CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

American literature PhD student in the UK...
Quote: Oddityofwings says: I'd suggest not trying the AO Swimmer's shampoo - it's soap based and though it'll get rid of the hard water, it'll also leave you with soap scum - in your hair.

+1

do not use soap based anything if you have hard water.

The CJ Daily Fix is great for me, we have FL well water, so it's hard. Add low-poo once a week or so, and the Herbal Esscences Degunkify shampoo every once in a while, hair stays happy.
2c / C / iii (FIA)
Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

Shoulder-Length now.

Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
Style: ReCoil & DevaCare Arc Angel (budget choices are HESMU or Got2BSpikedUp)

Henna!
Curls shampoo is sulfate free and has that EDTA thing in it. I have hard water and it puts the shine back in my hair.
Mod CG 06-09
2c/3a fine/med tex. Med porous, fine porous canopy, likes protein, color treated
LoPoo: HSH Soymilk, NG Hemp, TJ Nourish, ACV rinses
Don't cowash. Water rinses. Hate suave & VO5 made hair frizzy
Protein Co: Tigi Oatmeal, EO's, CurlJunkie
Protein free: HSH pumpkin, Curls Asian Tea, NG Hemp, Mixed Greens, JC WDT
East SF Bay Area, CA - moderate hard water
I lived in New Mexico for 12 years, and I can tell you that although I wasn't modified CG at the time, natural, sulfate-free shampoos did NOT work at all there. All they did(and I really, really wanted to like them as I was trying to go all-natural with all personal care products)was make my hair dry, coated and greasy at the same time, kind of like greasy straw if you get the picture, and NO shine whatsoever. Even a vinegar rinse didn't do much either. A good conditioner didn't do much. I had to use Pantene shampoos and conditioners, as well as a clarifying shampoo twice a month to deal with this. I gave the all-natural routing a whole summer to work before I just gave it up. Now I live where the water is soft(SF)and I've had good luck with a modified CG routine(moisturizing shampoo every couple of weeks, with the Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut conditioner, conditioning with GVP Conditioning balm, etc.)
Hi! I have hard water too. I didn't want to resort back to using a shampoo, so I clarified with baking soda and followed with an acv rinse. It worked wonders!
CG since 02/10
Fine, thick, 3a/2c mix, medium porosity
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
Condish/LI: Suave Naturals Coconut, GFTN
Stylers:
HESMU, LOOB, BRHG, FSG

Like: protein, protein, protein!!
Dislike: mineral oil, eco-styler,



All of these are very helpful suggestions...I guess there is no hard and fast rule when it comes to hair and we just have to test things out and see what works for us...But now I do have some things to try out...Thanks again!
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
I find I have to use sulfate poos for the hard water here. I recently started to use Ouidad WW Poo which is good but I've got a few other hard water poos too. ACV rinses don't do anything. Robert Craig Hard Water Poo, I have it and have tried it but it doesn't seem to help much probably cuz I read it only prevents buildup but doesn't remove(not sure!), not surprised tho cuz it doesn't list EDTA just citric acid. I also am back to doing final rinses with distilled water which help.

Caramix3a, why do you think the Pantene Poos & Conditioners worked when you had hard ward water. The reason I am asking is becuz I read somewhere that Pantene and GF were good to use for hard water and Olay Ribbons Body Wash(for body of course!).
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal

Last edited by GettinControl; 05-27-2010 at 01:16 PM.
I have 2c/3a hair also and I find CJ Daily fix works well. I use Suave Naturals Coconut conditioner for co-washing and use either Daily Fix or a shampoo bar if I feel I have build up.

Good luck!
Growing out my curls. White hair, fine to medium texture but a lot of it. Low to medium porosity. Botticelli curls -- 2c/3a mix. My hair loves protein.
CG since '08.

Cleanser: (Summer) Beautiful Curls Nurturing shampoo or Kathymack's soap bars
Co-wash: TJ Nourish
Protein: CJ Repair Me
Styling products: (Summer) BB Styling Mudd
Gel: (Summer) BRHG, Upper Management gel.
Hi! I have super hard water and found doing an ACV final rinse each time or at least once a week really helped. I also add a little splash of it to my hair masks so it has more time to work.

You just reminded me it is time for one of those!

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-3A?
-Fine, ii (almost iii) thickness
-salon pintura and natural sun-made highlights combo
-CG since October 2007, rare occasional low poo.
-Growing it out
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I have hard water. I put a filter on my shower and that's really helped a lot. Not to mention keeps the shower a lot cleaner too.
http://www.showerfilterstore.com
I have hard water. I put a filter on my shower and that's really helped a lot. Not to mention keeps the shower a lot cleaner too.
I second that. Get a shower filter. Doesn't cost that much and soooooo worth it!
Hmm, I can't believe this didn't occur to me. I moved to London 6ish months ago and my hair has gotten frizzier since moving. Thought it was the weather, but maybe it's the water? I know it's not great, but it didn't occur to me. How can you all tell if there's buildup in your hair? I've been doing no 'poo thing for years now and I can't really tell other than the frizzy thing!
my hair is blue
To be honest, I only 'know' it's hard water buildup when I cleanse with a chelating shampoo and it gets better afterwards. But frizz and general weirdness is usually a sign of one sort of buildup or another.
3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

Favourites:
CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

American literature PhD student in the UK...
I'm near London too, with liquid chalk coming out of the tap (and not much else in the way of minerals). My hair was frizzier and duller since moving here, even with sulfate shampoos. That was probably one of the things that got me hooked on no-poo: ACV (well, cheap malt vinegar half the time) rinses getting rid of the limescale residue. I was using them every couple of days, but once a week has been helping a lot without drying things out.

If it's only/mostly calcium, I'd think an acidic rinse would be enough, maybe also using distilled/deionised water. For other minerals, a chelating shampoo would be better.
Started CG 15 May 2010
Switched to more natural care about 10 Oct. 2010 for eczema
Hair type: Dry, mostly Botticelli 3a, with 2c bits on top and 3 mix under, fine, lots of it!
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That's great! Thanks for the tip

I just hope anything I do to try and get my frizz off doesn't hurt my hair colour!
my hair is blue
Calgary has very hard water, and I used to have a lot of trouble with it. I used AO Swimmers shampoo and it worked wonders for me. I have a softener now, so I don't need it, but I did take it to Thailand to help me out with the buildup from swimming and it worked great there too!
3b/3a - CG since 04-30-2009
fine texture, med porosity


Co-wash:
GTTT, Live Clean, EO Sweet Orange
Condish: Calia, AO Rosa Mosqueta/White Camellia/Honeysuckle Rose/Island Naturals/GPB, ABBA Pure Gentle, Desert Essence Shea Butter
DT: Usually just use one of my richer conditioners, sometimes add oils or honey
Gels: Homemade FSG!!!, Druide, BRHG, Alba Soft Hold Style Cream,
AOMM

experimenting with: honey, agave, oils, butters, ACV, Curls Milkshake, more conditioners





frizz and general weirdness is usually a sign of one sort of buildup or another.
This is how I noticed. My hair just started acting weird for no apparent reason.
CG since 02/10
Fine, thick, 3a/2c mix, medium porosity
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
Condish/LI: Suave Naturals Coconut, GFTN
Stylers:
HESMU, LOOB, BRHG, FSG

Like: protein, protein, protein!!
Dislike: mineral oil, eco-styler,



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