"Raking" product through hair

I'm not sure if this is working for me. I want to achieve clumps and very little frizz, and I rake LI in first then scrunch in whatever else - pudding/FSG/Gel, etc... but do you think the raking could be causing frizz or skinny curls?
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

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Tthe only thing I rake in is my rinse out. Everything else gets scrunched in or I get stringy pulled out curls/waves.
But hey, that's just me.

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The skinny, no definition curls happen to me when I rake too much. Also, with certain products you can't rake at all because it gives you nasty hair. I cannot rake with ecostyler gel, or other gels.
I have been doing something that is working amazing to clump and define my hair. I am using a pick comb right after I get out of the shower. I bend over and comb back to front. I rake like Jessicurl does in this video with the comb. I only use my fingers to rake my leave in still in the shower. It has really made a difference lately! After that. I scrunch in gel, then scrunch with flour sack towel, and voila!
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Last edited by Soficurls; 05-31-2010 at 02:52 PM.
I dont mind the elongated curls, because I use a scrunchie around my hair as its drying to elongate them; I just don't like skinny curls and have been getting some frizz lately.
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

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I have never had a frizz issue with raking. What seems to be the key for me is to reclump everything after it's been raked in. For example - I rake in my LI with my fingers, then I rake in CIAB. Then I pile it on top of my head and squish squish squish. When I let it down, I have very thick clumps. Then I rake in my gel (BRHG) and squish squish squish again. I plop to let everything absorb (maybe 1-2 hours, depends on if I forget it's still up there!), then I GENTLY separate out the fat clumps. This method has been my HG this summer. I get a little frizz when it's dry, but if I SOTC with Oyin Burnt Sugar, the frizz is gone and I can get SDH and even TDH with it.

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Soficurls, is it just a regular pick?

She seemed to rake with her fingers spread wide...

She did A LOT of scrunching. Wow! Is that necessary to scrunch for that long?

And what did you mean about the flour sack?
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
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Want to grow it long again!
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BTW, I think it helps if I use product in soaking wet hair. Today I used my shescentit LI (raked in on very wet hair) then scrunched in curls souffle, then fsg, then Curls Goddess Glaze, and I got good clumps but, for some reason, whenever I get clumps (which I love) I get a lot of "softness" (less hold) and a little frizz. Why is that? I think the things that give me hold also give me a lot of curl enhancement - which I don't want, b/c that just brings out the skinny curls. So how do I get some more hold and less frizz with clumps!?
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
(don't ask me to pronounce that!)


Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
Soficurls, is it just a regular pick?

She seemed to rake with her fingers spread wide...

She did A LOT of scrunching. Wow! Is that necessary to scrunch for that long?

And what did you mean about the flour sack?
Originally Posted by LilaGirl
BTW, I think it helps if I use product in soaking wet hair. Today I used my shescentit LI (raked in on very wet hair) then scrunched in curls souffle, then fsg, then Curls Goddess Glaze, and I got good clumps but, for some reason, whenever I get clumps (which I love) I get a lot of "softness" (less hold) and a little frizz. Why is that? I think the things that give me hold also give me a lot of curl enhancement - which I don't want, b/c that just brings out the skinny curls. So how do I get some more hold and less frizz with clumps!?
Originally Posted by LilaGirl
It is just a regular plastic pic. I think I bought it at the dollar store. What I do is after I condition my hair and rinse out, I apply about a pea size (i have short hair) of Alberto VO5 kiwi lime conditioner as a leave in ( this dollar product is quite amazing), I rake with my fingers and get out of the shower, then I bend over and rake with pick from my nape to my forehead all over my head, then I take the pick and rake from under, so that my bangs and the hair around my face is not stuck to my scalp. Then I take a blob of gel or mousse and start scrunching first in the middle, then the left, then the right, and finally I straighten up and scrunch the back a bit. Then I bend over again and scrunch with my flour sack. Flour sacks are these towels that are very popular around here and reeeeeeally make a difference with frizz. I think they are made to clean wine glasses because they don't leave marks. I bought mine at target in the kitchen rag section. I looked in that section like 3 times and finally my eyes caught them. They are hard to find among all those kitchen towels. They are just called "flour sacks". Super cheap. I payed 5 dollars for four of them. They come in packs. You can search them here, they are several threads about them.

I scrunch about 5 to 7 times per section. I don't like scrunching that much because it can break up the clumps too much.
I think that in order to hold the clump you need gel or mousse. Creams alone don't work for me, I have to top it with either a mouse or gel.

Hope that helps!!!!!!
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Last edited by Soficurls; 05-31-2010 at 05:34 PM.
Sofi, so after you do all that hand-scrunching, you use a flour sack and scrunch 5-7 times each section (after you've turned your head upright and applied all your product)?

I feel like touching my hair with a towel at that point would create frizz, but okay - gonna try it.
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Raking was doing the same thing to me. I switched to smoothing my products on in sections and then scrunching the whole head afterwards and its been MUCH better.
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No, no! Most of the scrunching happens when my hair is still dripping I only scrunch like once per section with the flour sack, just to get the extra moisture out. I scrunch and hold the scrunch for about 5 seconds. If I scrunched so much my clumps would end up terribly stringy.
I am only using leave in and gel, because since spring started creams make my hair super soft and frizzy. I also tried the same method today with mousse (cheap la bella mousse "curls" for 3 dollars at walmart) and the results were amazing. I can't post pics because I don't have a camera around today, but it held the whole day, and I used a lemon size per section (front/back/sides) and t turned out pretty awesome. You should try it, but it also works pretty well with gel
Soficurls3a, 3b
Amo mis rizos y mis crespos!

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CW SuaveCoconut
C GarnierTripleNutrition
DT VatikaCoconutOil
Style Biotera Creme, LA sports gel, HETT Gel or mousse, a bit of honey with any of these!
SuperSoak FlourSack TowelDiffuse and sometimes TT HairSpray!
Okay, I'll have to try that. But I do feel like mousse might give me a curl enhancing effect, which I don't want, and be too producty.

I want to acheive soft, elongated clumps ... which I pretty much did today with these products but I'm getting frizz and need more hold. So maybe I need to use more product - the same but more? Maybe no FSG? I can experiment.

What's the point of the flour sack again?
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
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Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
Naturalista - When you say you smooth your products in instead of raking...do you just take a section and kind of catch that entire section between two hands and run the product down that section of hair without raking the hair through your fingers? I ask because I have SO much hair and I just can't get away with scrunching in products; I have to section, in about 12-14 sections, to apply my gel and I usually rake it through but then some sections end up stringy. I hate that. Maybe I should try smoothing but I'm not sure what that looks like. Could you describe it? Thank you.
This came up in another thread that's going now: How do you 3a's apply gel?. After one wash without any raking, it looks like the raking was indeed messing up my curl definition and clumping. This seems to be a particular problem with fine hair. Scrunching in product while the hair is soaking wet, and using the supersoaker method seems to have helped mine a lot, just from the first try. *crossing fingers here*

Good luck!
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Tsula, would you use a pick, then? A towel? I want to try these, but I worry they'd create more problems.

What is the supersoaker method?
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
(don't ask me to pronounce that!)


Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!
LilaGirl: I just turned my head upside down over the shower and gently made sure the hair wasn't too bunched up or tangled, while pouring an extra cup of cold water through it. (No raking, though.) Then I scrunched in leave-in and gel while it was still dripping wet, scrunching in more cool water with the gel to make sure it got distributed well but the hair stayed clumpy--the super-soaker bit . Then I gently scrunched it a little with my plopping t-shirt, and plopped it. (My hair is still short enough not to need separate ones.) All of this was pretty much upside down. It was still wet enough that water was running down my neck behind my ears for the first few minutes of plopping. (Feels awful, but hey.) After plopping, I did some very gentle scrunching.

Today I didn't clip up the crown to get root lift, but I'll be more careful with that not to disturb the larger clumps the next time! The difference in curl definition and clumping was obvious as soon as the t-shirt came off. It's raining today, and it also hasn't frizzed much so far. YMMV with all of this.

The way my hair is behaving, at least, I'd be really wary of using a pick on wet hair. It seems to be doing better if I just don't mess with it much once it's rinsed out, though keeping my fingers out of it except while washing it still feels weird! Using an old t-shirt as a towel has seemed to help, too.

Here's a thread about the supersoaker method, with a video link: Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link. The description there is a lot better than mine! I had been following closer to her method and raking in the leave-in and styling products, but switched to scrunching them in followed by a handful of water. (Using extra product, with all that water!)

I don't know if this helps, but I hope my description isn't too confusing.
Started CG 15 May 2010
Switched to more natural care about 10 Oct. 2010 for eczema
Hair type: Dry, mostly Botticelli 3a, with 2c bits on top and 3 mix under, fine, lots of it!
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That makes sense, Tsula. I'll try it.

Something's def. going on.

Today I did two washes. The first was with soap bars and biolage (heavy) conditioner and then LI, Souffle, FSG, and Goddess Glaze. I tried less raking and more product and still got frizz and somehow even less clumps

Then I did a Daily fix wash, biolage condition, then LI on sopping wet hair (no raking - just like a big twist) and experimented with mousse - scrunched a bunch in and used my clip to lift my crown a little (like I always do). I started getting frizz again. (But a curl pattern that I liked and volume).

So I'm not sure what's happening. I used KC gloss pomade for a while on wet hair and loved it .. but I'm trying to replace it. I feel like I need a finisher - something to give that definition/no frizz/shine.
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
(don't ask me to pronounce that!)


Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!

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