Are you trying to prevent clumps?

Yes I'm sure this topic has been done to death but humour me

I was looking at a post Mircurls had responded to and couldn't help but notice her siggie - Dumping the Clumps for Volume.

I have fine, low-medium volume hair and can easily get bare spots. Consequently, I've been trying to limit the number of my clumps for at least a year to avoid having my hair overtaken by a handful of big banana curls.

Things I DON'T do - use a comb after rinsing out conditioner, use a brush to distribute product, icequeen method or super soaker method.

For a while I squeezing most of the water out and applying my product to damp instead of wet hair. Limited the clumps and great volume but also left me a bit flyaway for some reason.

The best results I've gotten for this have been recently. I've been applying my product normally, LI in the shower, rake in CK or CIAB while soaking wet. Then I use my flour sack to squeeze out most of the water and scrunch in more CK or CIAB - no raking.

NOTE: before I switched to summer routine, I was raking in my styler, CCCC Lite, SG, AFG or whatever, then squeezing out water and scrunching in the gel du jour.

Anyone else have any strategies to share?
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While are clumps are ok, like you I prefer separation and more movement.

What I've been doing is tedious but it works. I section my hair and smooth in the product from root to tip, distribute the product with a poo brush and then I have some strands and smooth them btwn my fingers. It's similar to Teri's (tightlycurly.com) method of defining/separating curls, except that I use product other than condish. Then like you I scrunch and diffuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5vlc...layer_embedded

Now granted, I don't have time to do this all the time for the whole head so sometimes I cheat and do half a head, but it does work.
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Last edited by Naturalista; 06-06-2010 at 06:47 AM.
WHC I don't know that this subject has been beat to death or maybe I just don't read it cuz you know I want those clumps Since our hair is so opposite I can share that brushing/combing pulls out my waves. You and my DD have similar hair so with her I can brush it while it's wet to distribute condish but when products go in they get scrunched or she loses her curls. You have more hair then her so why not try the denman or your mebco to distribute everything?

oh and Terri's hair is to DIE for did you check out her vids?
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WHC I don't know that this subject has been beat to death or maybe I just don't read it cuz you know I want those clumps Since our hair is so opposite I can share that brushing/combing pulls out my waves. You and my DD have similar hair so with her I can brush it while it's wet to distribute condish but when products go in they get scrunched or she loses her curls. You have more hair then her so why not try the denman or your mebco to distribute everything?

oh and Terri's hair is to DIE for did you check out her vids?
Originally Posted by DEL2C
I use a mebco to distribute my condish. Brushing or combing to distribute stylers gives me an OBSCENE amount of clumping. I tried it a few times after the big Denman craze - that you started - last summer.

And no I haven't checked out Terri's vids .. I'll do that now. Thanks for the link naturalista.
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I've got a similar problem, and I've got two ways of combatting over-clumpy hair.

1. The 'naughty' way (or, My Wash-N-Go): After using my rinse-out, I will put some leave in in and then put up my hair in a flour sack towel - turban style. Yeah - you heard me. I wait until this is has soaked a good bit of moisture out of my hair, then take off the towel and gently comb through (thus you may want to use more leave-in than you would normally - the towel will absorb some of it). I then flip my head over and scrunch the naked hair a bit to get my curl pattern going. Then I add products by scrunching them in. Sometimes I will plop to set my curls a bit more, sometimes I'll just let it dry normally. This gets me a fair amount of volume (without being ridiculous), and leaves my hair light enough to dry with a bit more volume at the roots as well. I think of the curls I get using this as more romantic and wild. They won't be massively defined, and they won't be clumped at all - but it will have a lovely shape and be utterly soft.

2. Finger-combing. Basically, I do exactly the opposite of my wash-n-go. I will do my normal in shower routine, leave in a normal amount of leave in, and style using super soaker. (FYI: This seems to work better the more product you put on). I will scrunch out excess water with a curl cloth, then plop as long as possible (for me, usually about an hour). I will then either air dry till about 60-70% dry or diffuse till about the same point. You want damp but not wet (and definitely not crunchy - if it is, SOTC first!) hair for this. Then, gently, I will run my fingers through the massive clumps to create smaller clumps. This method is less predictable - some days it looks absolutely fantastic, some days it just creates a frizzy mess. I think extra product seems to help, and being slightly damp when you finger comb seems to help as well. I suspect if one had infinite time and patience, you could do all this, finger comb, then scrunch in a little more gel and then plop some more, but I don't do that.

Unusual, perhaps, but both work in their way. :-)
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Thanks for tips oddity. They sound counter-intuitive but I'll give them a try.

And I'm also going to try the hair sorting thing that Terry does. I don't have nearly as much hair as hers so it wouldn't take long for me at all. Her hair is amazing!
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I know - it's totally counterintuitive. I sort of fell upon both of them by accident. I've posted a pic of the results I get using 1 over at British Curlies if you want to have a look-see.

Hair sorting? What's that?
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I know - it's totally counterintuitive. I sort of fell upon both of them by accident. I've posted a pic of the results I get using 1 over at British Curlies if you want to have a look-see.

Hair sorting? What's that?
Originally Posted by oddityofwings
Take a look at the link Naturalista put up for the hair sorting. And that's just what I call it .. lol

WOW! Your hair looks amazing!!! Mine isn't that curly obviously but hope I can get even close to those results.
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Thanks. *beams happily*

The hair sorting thing is pretty neat - it's actually not that different from my second option, only I do it when my hair's fairly dry rather than soaking in conditioner. My curls create helixes (double... triple.. septuple) most of the time rather than single curls, so I do actually break up the helixes almost exactly as she says. I think I do it dry because when wet my hair is very cohesive (wouldn't matter how much sorting I did - it'd stick right back together again!), the curl pattern doesn't get really strong until dry, and the helixes don't seem to be too obvious that early on.
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I know - it's totally counterintuitive. I sort of fell upon both of them by accident. I've posted a pic of the results I get using 1 over at British Curlies if you want to have a look-see.

Hair sorting? What's that?
Originally Posted by oddityofwings
Take a look at the link Naturalista put up for the hair sorting. And that's just what I call it .. lol

WOW! Your hair looks amazing!!! Mine isn't that curly obviously but hope I can get even close to those results.
Originally Posted by whatsercurl
No.. that's EXACTLY right. You're sorting out. LOL! Now if ONLY...

I could toss the naughty curls out and get better (curlier) ones. LOL!!

+1 on Oddity's hair, but I love your hair too Whatser. Everyone seems to have reasonably behaved hair but me. LOL!! I just stumble upon good hair. Though for the last month its been behaving... must be the weather change.
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Last edited by Naturalista; 06-07-2010 at 08:26 AM.
Thanks for tips oddity. They sound counter-intuitive but I'll give them a try.

And I'm also going to try the hair sorting thing that Terry does. I don't have nearly as much hair as hers so it wouldn't take long for me at all. Her hair is amazing!
Originally Posted by whatsercurl
Actually whatser, I've been doing the whole turban style thing too lately and getting less massive clumps for it. Granted, I've been using a regular terry cloth (I know, I know, bad...) so it's frizzier as well but for whatever reason it really seems to help separate things before I put in the products...
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Thanks for tips oddity. They sound counter-intuitive but I'll give them a try.

And I'm also going to try the hair sorting thing that Terry does. I don't have nearly as much hair as hers so it wouldn't take long for me at all. Her hair is amazing!
Originally Posted by whatsercurl
Actually whatser, I've been doing the whole turban style thing too lately and getting less massive clumps for it. Granted, I've been using a regular terry cloth (I know, I know, bad...) so it's frizzier as well but for whatever reason it really seems to help separate things before I put in the products...
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Gawd .. such a choice .. head eating clumps or the dreaded frizz .. lol

Maybe I'll try it with the flour sack and plop instead of turbanning. Turbanning even *back in the day* gave me weird @ss hair.

Oddity - I have those helixes too .. just sucking in hair wherever it finds it. I've haven't had a lot of success separating the clumps once it's dry .. they just keep finding their ways back to each other. That's why I was thinking the sorting might help or the second method you mentioned while it's still dam.

Natural - thanks But looking at your pics, your hair looks a darn sight better than mine. I have a trick camera.
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Thanks for tips oddity. They sound counter-intuitive but I'll give them a try.

And I'm also going to try the hair sorting thing that Terry does. I don't have nearly as much hair as hers so it wouldn't take long for me at all. Her hair is amazing!
Originally Posted by whatsercurl
Actually whatser, I've been doing the whole turban style thing too lately and getting less massive clumps for it. Granted, I've been using a regular terry cloth (I know, I know, bad...) so it's frizzier as well but for whatever reason it really seems to help separate things before I put in the products...
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Gawd .. such a choice .. head eating clumps or the dreaded frizz .. lol

Maybe I'll try it with the flour sack and plop instead of turbanning. Turbanning even *back in the day* gave me weird @ss hair.

Oddity - I have those helixes too .. just sucking in hair wherever it finds it. I've haven't had a lot of success separating the clumps once it's dry .. they just keep finding their ways back to each other. That's why I was thinking the sorting might help or the second method you mentioned while it's still dam.

Natural - thanks But looking at your pics, your hair looks a darn sight better than mine. I have a trick camera.
Originally Posted by whatsercurl
I've been turbanning for the last... I don't know, year? For a while I was being super careful - no combing, no brushing, putting product in dripping wet hair, following all the rules blahblahblah. And honestly, I got tired of it and started looking for a simpler way. I shampoo/condition (gasp!) with SLS/silicone-free combo and put it up in a turbie-twist towel immediately after getting out of the shower. Then, I get dressed and take the towel down. At that point, it's mildly damp. I rake in a small amount of leave-in, rake in a small amount of gel, brush to distribute, scrunch to form curls, and air dry. It's just as good or better than when I was trying really hard to do everything "right". Go figure.
I also try to break up clumps because I think my 3b/c hair stays defined better when the curls aren't as clumped. When my curls are big fat clumps they tend not hold as well and go poofy as the day goes on. I like the more defined ringlets I get from skinnier curls.
I also find that applying product to hair that is not soaking wet works to prevent overclumping. I just squeeze out excess water since scrunching it with any kind of towel gives me too much frizz. Another thing I also do is raking my products in by running my fingers through my hair and just when I get to the ends, I squeeze my fingers together to hold the ends and kind of give my hair a shake to break up the individual curls. I think Ouidad does something like this in some of the infomercials I've seen.
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Natural - thanks But looking at your pics, your hair looks a darn sight better than mine. I have a trick camera.
Originally Posted by whatsercurl
Thanks girlie. You and I must have camera's within the same family. LOL!!

Lemme know if it works out though.
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Wow.. some great tips here. I'm
only a couple days into my cycle but look forward to trying some of these next time I do my hair.
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