finding balance between healthy & over-conditioned...

Yesterday my hair was fabulous after SS protein repairing treatment and SS Deeply Decadent Moisture Treatment. I styled with a dab of CJ Leave-in and KCCC. I had boing-y curls with lots of lift. Great clumping. Soft...just incredibly healthy.

Well, washed my hair last night. Used AO GPB and HSR mixed together as a rinse-out...I probably used too much. Same styling with CJ Leave-in and KCCC. Well, my hair is definitely over-conditioned. No clumps. No boing-y curls.

So...what now...back to the Protein?????? Very frustrated...
fine hair, not sure of porosity.
Deva Care Lo-Poo
Rinse-outs: AO GPB, JC
Leave-in: CJ Curl Assurance (a dime's worth)
Style cream: KCCC, CJ CCCC-lite, & BRHG
Protein Treatment: SS Repairing Protein Treatment
DT: SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment, CJ Hibiscus & Banana Deep Fix



Holy Grails: AO GPB, SS Repairing Protein Treatment, KCCC, & BRHG
lol...omg..the story of my curly life! I'm getting to the point where I don't think my hair can get enough protein....or at least I'd like to find that point so I know!

What is HSR? oooo, if it's honeysuckle rose, than, for me, that has way to much moisture. So that may be it.

Do you have the SS protein spray? I got a sample from Kathymack and then ordered some. Hopefully *fingers crossed* it will be here today or tomorrow.
2c/3a/3b Fine/med texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
Yes, it's the Honeysuckle Rose. I don't have the SS Protein Spray. I probably need it.
fine hair, not sure of porosity.
Deva Care Lo-Poo
Rinse-outs: AO GPB, JC
Leave-in: CJ Curl Assurance (a dime's worth)
Style cream: KCCC, CJ CCCC-lite, & BRHG
Protein Treatment: SS Repairing Protein Treatment
DT: SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment, CJ Hibiscus & Banana Deep Fix



Holy Grails: AO GPB, SS Repairing Protein Treatment, KCCC, & BRHG
auntnett was talking about it in this thread:

So many protein treatments?!

that's what finally convinced me to order it for good. didn't really want to spend the $, i'm pretty thrifty, but i just had to bite the bullet. i'm determined to stop the oc madness and finally find balance, which for me, means find my protein threshold.
2c/3a/3b Fine/med texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
I use the SS potein spray. It only needs a little bit in my hair & seems to make my curls spring back to life!
Toronto, Ontario Curlie
2c/3a Fine Texture/Normal Porostiy/Normal elasticity
Using:CJCR/CJBH, Kevin Murphy Maxi wash, AG: recoil, JCCC, DBPSC, SSPT, SSPS, CHSCK
Air Dry only!
Want to take my new found knowledge and apply it to make lovely lush locks!
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You most likely just over did it on the moisture.

For myself, If I did a DT and then the following wash did the AO GPB & HR, I would definetly be over conditioned.

This time of year I tend to need less moisture and more protein. I also lay off the heavier rinse outs - and most of the time I don't even use a leave in. In the winter I go back to the heavier rinse outs & leave-ins.

Oh and the SS protein spray is something I really want to try out!
3a fine; dense; medium-low porosity, frizz prone

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Last edited by BeachCurlGurl; 06-25-2010 at 01:04 PM. Reason: addition
Okay, I'm going to have to also bite the bullet and order the protein spray.

CurlyMom, thanks for the thread, too!
fine hair, not sure of porosity.
Deva Care Lo-Poo
Rinse-outs: AO GPB, JC
Leave-in: CJ Curl Assurance (a dime's worth)
Style cream: KCCC, CJ CCCC-lite, & BRHG
Protein Treatment: SS Repairing Protein Treatment
DT: SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment, CJ Hibiscus & Banana Deep Fix



Holy Grails: AO GPB, SS Repairing Protein Treatment, KCCC, & BRHG
Okay, I'm going to have to also bite the bullet and order the protein spray.

CurlyMom, thanks for the thread, too!
Originally Posted by Texaskurl
yw! I have a hunch that many of us curlies, esp. in the summer as BeachCurlGirl mentioned, get very easily oc'd.

I read a thread, by rmorg2 I think, or at least she posted in it, which explained how protein actually removes moisture from your hair....I'll try and find it....but when I read that, protein wasn't so mysterious anymore, and that dreaded protein crunch I actually understood to just be dry hair. So when I understood that and realized that all I need to do was add a little more condish if it felt that way, it made me feel so much better. Like I had more control, all the mystery was taken out of protein.
2c/3a/3b Fine/med texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
Okay, I'm going to have to also bite the bullet and order the protein spray.

CurlyMom, thanks for the thread, too!
Originally Posted by Texaskurl
yw! I have a hunch that many of us curlies, esp. in the summer as BeachCurlGirl mentioned, get very easily oc'd.

I read a thread, by rmorg2 I think, or at least she posted in it, which explained how protein actually removes moisture from your hair....I'll try and find it....but when I read that, protein wasn't so mysterious anymore, and that dreaded protein crunch I actually understood to just be dry hair. So when I understood that and realized that all I need to do was add a little more condish if it felt that way, it made me feel so much better. Like I had more control, all the mystery was taken out of protein.
Originally Posted by CurlyMom

Awww, curly mom, I'm glad I could help!!

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I agree that you need some protein due to overconditioning. I have had that happen occasionally, though not that often due to chemically treating my hair.

Here's the thread I did that curlymom mentioned.

A few tips on treatments for newbies and not so newbies too

I absolutely LOVE SSPS.....it's a staple in my bathroom. I also love her RPT and DD.

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Products: Free and Clear sulfate free poo and condish, Theraneem Sulfate Free Shampoo/Condish, Unscented SSCEJ, Coconut oil, Camellia oil, Argan oil
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I agree that you need some protein due to overconditioning. I have had that happen occasionally, though not that often due to chemically treating my hair.

Here's the thread I did that curlymom mentioned.

A few tips on treatments for newbies and not so newbies too

I absolutely LOVE SSPS.....it's a staple in my bathroom. I also love her RPT and DD.
Originally Posted by rymorg2
Hey girl! So glad you showed up! I looked and looked for that thread, then just now when I opened up the forum, that thread was right on top....how funny is that! So I came here to post it and you beat me to it!

I have to say, that post was one of the pieces that helped me begin to understand my hair and began taking the mystery out of it!

This is the other one, the one about "grabby" hair...

Leave-in "grabbing" your hair OR leave-ins that DON'T have slip

So glad we have so many great curlies willing to share their knowledge!
2c/3a/3b Fine/med texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
I agree that you need some protein due to overconditioning. I have had that happen occasionally, though not that often due to chemically treating my hair.

Here's the thread I did that curlymom mentioned.

A few tips on treatments for newbies and not so newbies too

I absolutely LOVE SSPS.....it's a staple in my bathroom. I also love her RPT and DD.
Originally Posted by rymorg2
Hey girl! So glad you showed up! I looked and looked for that thread, then just now when I opened up the forum, that thread was right on top....how funny is that! So I came here to post it and you beat me to it!

I have to say, that post was one of the pieces that helped me begin to understand my hair and began taking the mystery out of it!

This is the other one, the one about "grabby" hair...

Leave-in "grabbing" your hair OR leave-ins that DON'T have slip

So glad we have so many great curlies willing to share their knowledge!
Originally Posted by CurlyMom

Hi Curlymom, thanks! LOL, I know....I have to occasionally search to find it too. I'm so glad I could take some of the mystery of curly hair away for you.....Ikwym, we really aren't taught a lot about specific care of curly hair in cosmetology school, but some things cross over.

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I guess I assumed that protein kind of sealed the hair shaft. But if it takes out moisture, then why does my hair feel so silky and perfect when I use protein?

How are others using the SS protein spray? I LOVE ss products.

And I am almost always overmoistured - yes, AOHR does it to me too.
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

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I like using Giovanni Root 66 Directional Root Lifting Spray as a protein spray. It's only $5 for 8.5 oz bottle! I use it on my roots and rake it through the canopy where I need more protein. It does contain a water soluble cone. It also has some humectants, so it doesn't work so well for me when the dews are really really high. Here are the ingredients:

Aqua (Purified Water) with *Soybean Protein, *Rosemary
(Rosmarinus Officinalis), *Nettle (Urtica Dioica), *Wild
Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia Fruit), *California
Poppy (Papaver Orientale Seed), *Rose Hips (Rosa Canina
Fruit), PVP/VA Copolymer, Glycerin (Coconut/Palm Oil),
Dimethicone Copolyol, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Panthenol
(Pro-Vitamin B5), Sodium Hydroxymethyglycinate, Octyl
Methoxycinnamate (Sunscreen)
2c/3a, fine, low-med porosity, below BSL, mod CG since 9/09

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I like using Giovanni Root 66 Directional Root Lifting Spray as a protein spray. It's only $5 for 8.5 oz bottle! I use it on my roots and rake it through the canopy where I need more protein. It does contain a water soluble cone. It also has some humectants, so it doesn't work so well for me when the dews are really really high. Here are the ingredients:

Aqua (Purified Water) with *Soybean Protein, *Rosemary
(Rosmarinus Officinalis), *Nettle (Urtica Dioica), *Wild
Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia Fruit), *California
Poppy (Papaver Orientale Seed), *Rose Hips (Rosa Canina
Fruit), PVP/VA Copolymer, Glycerin (Coconut/Palm Oil),
Dimethicone Copolyol, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Panthenol
(Pro-Vitamin B5), Sodium Hydroxymethyglycinate, Octyl
Methoxycinnamate (Sunscreen)
Originally Posted by kasden
wow! I'll have to check that out. So you say the Dimethicone is h2o soluable? I would have never guessed looking at the ingreds, I thought it had to have PEG before the cone for it to be h2o soluable.
2c/3a/3b Fine/med texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
I guess I assumed that protein kind of sealed the hair shaft. But if it takes out moisture, then why does my hair feel so silky and perfect when I use protein?

How are others using the SS protein spray? I LOVE ss products.

And I am almost always overmoistured - yes, AOHR does it to me too.
Originally Posted by LilaGirl

Your hair feels that way because if you're overmoisturized protein forces out just enough of the moisture to make it feel silky like that. If you overmoisturize, either shampooing with sulfates or trying a shot of protein usually does the trick.

I use SS protein spray all the time. I spray it into my wet hair after rinsing out my RO condish, using it as a LI. I use it probably 2-4 times a week, depending.

eta protein does force moisture out, but if you're overmoisturized and have too much that's a good thing. If you're crunchy anyway from lack of moisture you can get OVERLY crunchy from it. It's only a small amount of moisture that gets removed, compared to chemically treating, etc.

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Ingredients Maven
Products: Free and Clear sulfate free poo and condish, Theraneem Sulfate Free Shampoo/Condish, Unscented SSCEJ, Coconut oil, Camellia oil, Argan oil
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Last edited by rymorg2; 06-26-2010 at 04:02 AM. Reason: additional thought
I like using Giovanni Root 66 Directional Root Lifting Spray as a protein spray. It's only $5 for 8.5 oz bottle! I use it on my roots and rake it through the canopy where I need more protein. It does contain a water soluble cone. It also has some humectants, so it doesn't work so well for me when the dews are really really high. Here are the ingredients:

Aqua (Purified Water) with *Soybean Protein, *Rosemary
(Rosmarinus Officinalis), *Nettle (Urtica Dioica), *Wild
Bergamot (Citrus Aurantium Bergamia Fruit), *California
Poppy (Papaver Orientale Seed), *Rose Hips (Rosa Canina
Fruit), PVP/VA Copolymer, Glycerin (Coconut/Palm Oil),
Dimethicone Copolyol, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Panthenol
(Pro-Vitamin B5), Sodium Hydroxymethyglycinate, Octyl
Methoxycinnamate (Sunscreen)
Originally Posted by kasden
wow! I'll have to check that out. So you say the Dimethicone is h2o soluable? I would have never guessed looking at the ingreds, I thought it had to have PEG before the cone for it to be h2o soluable.
Originally Posted by CurlyMom

Dimethicone copolyol is also water soluable. Some people still have issues with it though (including me Lol)

Cosmetology Educator with sensitivities, eczema and Seborrheic Dermatitis.
Ingredients Maven
Products: Free and Clear sulfate free poo and condish, Theraneem Sulfate Free Shampoo/Condish, Unscented SSCEJ, Coconut oil, Camellia oil, Argan oil
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I don't do a DT after one of the more moisturizing PTs, ie., SS PRT, CJ Curl Fix, Elucence Moisture Repair. Just a good rinse out conditioner.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thank you all so much for the helpful threads!

I have both the SS PRT and Elucence Moisture Repair. Whenever I rinse my hair after using these, my hair doesn't feel dry. I've gone ahead and DT'ed anyway, though. I'm going to try one of these tonight without the DT and see if that takes care of the problem

Thank you all again for the threads and helpful advice!
fine hair, not sure of porosity.
Deva Care Lo-Poo
Rinse-outs: AO GPB, JC
Leave-in: CJ Curl Assurance (a dime's worth)
Style cream: KCCC, CJ CCCC-lite, & BRHG
Protein Treatment: SS Repairing Protein Treatment
DT: SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment, CJ Hibiscus & Banana Deep Fix



Holy Grails: AO GPB, SS Repairing Protein Treatment, KCCC, & BRHG
Yeah, I was going to second - or third - that - doing a PT w/o a DT. I don't do it, even though the SS instructions say too. The PTs I use are moisturizing enough. DT is overkill.
3b/fine/normal porosity/normal elasticity

LOVES behentrimonium methosulfate
(don't ask me to pronounce that!)


Want to grow it long again!
And simply want to figure out this hair of mine!

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