could my hair actually LIKE some sulfates?

SuZen,

Is there a big difference between Lo Poo and No Poo? I already have Devacurl No Poo. Should I try DevaCare (I have highlights) Lo Poo, even though my hair is dry? This is so confusing I apologize for asking the same questions more than once.

I did order a Jessicurl rich trial pack, which I can't wait to try.

I'll pick up Activate next time I'm at Ulta. None of the Rite Aid or Walgreens near me have it.

I wish I'd read reviews about Paves before I'd bought it.

Thanks!

Sherry
Originally Posted by sherry7899
Low Poo is a non-sulfate shampoo, while No-Poo is a conditioner for washing, not a shampoo. You can use another conditioner for washing, if No-Poo is too expensive. I think you said your hair seemed to get overconditioned on CG, so you might want to try a less-rich conditioner than No-Poo for CO-washing. Many people (including myself) like inexpensive conditioners like Suave or V05 for this purpose.
Sherry:

I can't believe what just happened. I was more than halfway down a list of "natural" COs with comments about each when somehow by mistake I closed the window. I'd been sitting here for nearly 2 hours doing searches and simultaneously typing my findings so now I'll have to start all over (this time on a Word document!).

And sorry I didn't reply sooner, I didn't get online on Sunday (12/3).
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
Sherry:

If you're still interested in the COs from the health food store PM me with your e-mail address so I can send you the list of products I made (with their ingredients list). It's too long to post here.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
May I ask which COs/gels you used during your CG attempt? I'm convinced it's not the routine that doesn't work for some people but the products they choose, with the right ones for your hair type it should help it curl better. While some of us experience immediate success others have to try 2 or 3 times before getting it right so perhaps you could just start over with different products than the first time (and make sure to read the entire book again because of all the styling tips included).
Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
No offense, but some of us have read the book, have picked the right products, and have followed the routine *correctly*, but have learned that the CG routine just sometimes doesn't work for our particular hair types. In my case, my hair is just not even a little bit dry (it's oily in fact, despite that Massey insists the oily/curly hair combo is an impossibility!) and is REALLY healthy (my new stylist was just commenting on this at my last cut in fact). I could try products from now until forever, and my hair just doesn't respond to this routine. It does not universally work for everyone.

But Massey's book did provide some useful ideas that I have implemented into my sulfate-shampooing-occasional-"bad"-product-using-color-treating-daily-diffusing routine. That's what's most important, learning to appreciate what you have and learning to find what works best for you. I'm sure you'll figure it out Sherry!
Hair type: Completely confused: mostly 3a, some 3b parts, and even 2 in places; very fine and thin.
Products: Elucence clarifying & MBC; CK, F/X Curl Booster Fixative Gel (when I can find it)
No offense taken but I always wonder WHY someone comes out of the woodwork to try to say something I didn't. You just quoted me, so why couldn't you notice that I just said the routine doesn't work for SOME people because of wrong product choice??? Others may have a problem like you, however, I even saw curlies with oily scalps succeed with just CO when they chose one with essential oils that help that condition, they help stabilize their overactive glands. And frankly, unless people are into aromatherapy or decide to do research on essential oils, I don't think it's a subject of "common" knowledge to everyone.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
HWHC, I'd hardly consider myself to have been lurking in woodwork (I rarely post on the various hair boards anymore because I've finally figured out my hair, don't feel the need to try new products anymore, and subsequently don't really have much to contribute to most of the current discussions going on!), but I'll answer your question:

I know I personally have felt on more than one occasion, and not because of you in this thread or elsewhere in the forums, that if the CG routine didn't work for me, it was because I was either just doing it wrong or was unable to figure it out properly--that if I had just tried harder or done it *right,* it would have completely changed my hair for the better like it has done for many, many other people. I was just pointing out that the issues the OP was having maybe weren't with technique or product, and that it's perfectly okay if the CG ends up not being right for someone. Honestly, having seen the miracle that CG has worked for so many folks, I am jealous that my hair didn't respond similarly.
Hair type: Completely confused: mostly 3a, some 3b parts, and even 2 in places; very fine and thin.
Products: Elucence clarifying & MBC; CK, F/X Curl Booster Fixative Gel (when I can find it)
i am a sulfate user and proud of it!
cg didn't work for me. my hair worked okay with it when it was really dry and unhealthy, but once i cut off the dead stuff, my hair was limp lifeless and overconditioned. i tried it several times, with several different products. it just doesn't work for everyone, and i don't think you should feel bad if you want to use sulfates. go for it!
i personally love the elucence line. i wash my hair with their moisture balancing shampoo and once a month i use their clarifier because i have hard water. i love their conditioner too.
i still don't use products with cones, just because they're the ones that work for me right now.
my hair is very predictable and reliable now. where as, pre CG and on CG it was never consistent.
now? my hair and i get along great!
3A Once again on the quest for BSL healthy curly hair....
Sweetpickles:

If I have in any way contributed to making you feel like you didn't do things right, I'm sorry. The reason I am here is really to help other curlies since, like you, I figured out the needs of my hair long ago.

The reason I say that so often is because I KNOW (and you do too...) that there are lots of people trying to do the routine just from bits and pieces they catch in the forums or hearsay from friends/acquaintances but have not read the book so they only have part of the "picture". I have witnessed several times people succeeding maybe on their 3rd or 4th try, so obviously something was not quite right the previous times.

However, those that have read the book and have tried their best but feel the whole routine is not for them don't need to feel bad about it. As many of us have said before, even if one continues to use shampoo, if one only learns to choose better ingredients and/or use shampoo less often, and if one benefits from the other advice for gentler handling of our curls it is much better than what most of us did before, that's really what matters after all.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC

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