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numbersix 12-03-2006 11:59 PM

thready, cottony or silky? please help
 
about this LOIS system.... I'm not sure if my hair is considered thready, cottony or silky....

how do you determine which you are regarding the "wet" issue?


what is meant by "wets easily" or "doesn't wet easily"?......are they talking about if you dump a bucket of water on your head, or if you are walking outside and it starts sprinkling??

also, about frizz....are they counting ONLY when you have no product in your hair?

can somebody please give me examples of what they classify their hair as and why? (what makes you consider your hair a certain type)

thanks so much! sorry for such silly questions, but the water question in particular really confuses me....

I have no idea if my hair gets wet easily or not lol I guess if I get caught out in the rain soon (which is likely, given where I live) then I'll have to pay attention to how long it takes to get my hair fully wet.

:D

missy60 12-04-2006 03:47 PM

Who is lois I havent heard of the system. Do you have to keep running water on it to get it wet or does it get wet immediately?

Eilonwy 12-04-2006 04:43 PM

Re: thready, cottony or silky? please help
 
The LOIS system is a way to classify hair.

Wet = how long it takes for your hair to get thoroughly soaked in the shower. The more porous (and possibly, though not necessarily, damaged) your hair is, the longer it seems to take for your hair to get wet. If you weren't sure about this, then yours probably gets wet easily.

I've never heard of thready. Do you mean wiry? Wiry hair would be like the hair that many people of Asian origin have. It's usually straight, so you probably don't have that. When you run a strand of silky hair between your fingers, it feels smooth, with maybe a couple of bumps if it's curly. Cottony hair is usually fragile.

numbersix 12-04-2006 08:56 PM

Re: thready, cottony or silky? please help
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Eilonwy
The LOIS system is a way to classify hair.

Wet = how long it takes for your hair to get thoroughly soaked in the shower. The more porous (and possibly, though not necessarily, damaged) your hair is, the longer it seems to take for your hair to get wet. If you weren't sure about this, then yours probably gets wet easily.

I've never heard of thready. Do you mean wiry? Wiry hair would be like the hair that many people of Asian origin have. It's usually straight, so you probably don't have that. When you run a strand of silky hair between your fingers, it feels smooth, with maybe a couple of bumps if it's curly. Cottony hair is usually fragile.

Find Your Texture:
Shine is a sharp reflection of light while Sheen is a dull reflection of light.

Thready - Hair as a low sheen, with high shine if the hair is held taut (as in a braid), with low frizz. Wets easily but water dries out quickly.

Wiry - Hair has a sparkly sheen, with low shine and low frizz. Water beads up or bounces off the hair strands. Hair never seems to get fully wet.

Cottony - Hair has a low sheen, a high shine if the hair is held taunt and has high frizz. Absorbs water quickly but does not get thoroughly wet very fast.

Spongy - Hair has a high sheen with low shine with a compacted looking frizz. Absorbs water before it gets thoroughly wet.

Silky - Hair has low sheen, a very high shine, with a lot or low frizz. Easily wets in water.

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aaahhh, they are talking about in the shower. crap, I just took a shower. I should've paid attention lol

alright so I'm guessing mine is silky then

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-05-2006 12:30 AM

Why complicate your life with such a strange system when it's not even used in these boards? Here's the typing system more frequently used at NC.com: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curl411/types.php

RedCatWaves 12-05-2006 12:58 AM

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Wet = how long it takes for your hair to get thoroughly soaked in the shower. The more porous (and possibly, though not necessarily, damaged) your hair is, the longer it seems to take for your hair to get wet. If you weren't sure about this, then yours probably gets wet easily.

My hair is very porous. It's not damaged, just porous. It takes a LOT to actually get it wet. I have to massage it under the shower for several minutes to get it wet, and even then, it's not really wet until I add shampoo or conditioner to it to wash it. Unfortunately, it also takes a LOT for it to actually dry...hours and hours and hours and hours... It's a burden...

numbersix 12-05-2006 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
Why complicate your life with such a strange system when it's not even used in these boards? Here's the typing system more frequently used at NC.com: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curl411/types.php

because I was just curoius *shrug*

I'm aware of that more common method, thanks. thats the one I refer to.

medusahair 12-05-2006 08:34 PM

RedCatWaves mine is the same way. I have to put conditioner on then dip under the showerhead real fast and work the water in. It's a trip.
I couldn't figure out which I was on that but it's interesting the water absorbtion plays a part in the typing

Looks like I'm an S wirey thick 3a, thick strands not amount of hair that is.
Well that was fun!

jeamaria 12-06-2006 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
Why complicate your life with such a strange system when it's not even used in these boards? Here's the typing system more frequently used at NC.com: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curl411/types.php

Because it's more accurate at describing your hair needs than the Andre system which only notes curl size, not texture or porosity, both of which are much better indicators of what products work best on your hair.

I *wish* I'd have heard of LOIS before; then perhaps I wouldn't have taken misleading (and costly!) advice from people with my curl size, but not much else in common.

Now, if someone uses the LOIS system to describe their hair as thick or wiry, or best of all both, I can be pretty certain some of their products would be effective to some degree on my hair.

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-07-2006 01:34 AM

I addressed my comment to the OP...

Anyway, porosity depends on a number of factors (like whether you've had any chemical or thermal procedure on your hair, are exposed to wind, hard water, use products with alcohol, etc. etc.) and not just type of curl, although it's true that the tighter the curls the more porous the hair.

numbersix 12-07-2006 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Quote:

Wet = how long it takes for your hair to get thoroughly soaked in the shower. The more porous (and possibly, though not necessarily, damaged) your hair is, the longer it seems to take for your hair to get wet. If you weren't sure about this, then yours probably gets wet easily.

My hair is very porous. It's not damaged, just porous. It takes a LOT to actually get it wet. I have to massage it under the shower for several minutes to get it wet, and even then, it's not really wet until I add shampoo or conditioner to it to wash it. Unfortunately, it also takes a LOT for it to actually dry...hours and hours and hours and hours... It's a burden...

ugh, it takes hours and hours for me too :-(

jeamaria 12-07-2006 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
I addressed my comment to the OP...



You did also post it on a public messageboard.

I am simply offering up reasons why people seek ways of characterizing and dealing with their curls outside of the very limited Andre system.

Characteristics like texture and porosity affect the way your hair behaves much more than curl size, which is why many curlies take recs from other posters with completely different curl patterns because of similarites in texture and the way their hair absorbs what's applied to it.

Quote:

Anyway, porosity depends on a number of factors (like whether you've had any chemical or thermal procedure on your hair, are exposed to wind, hard water, use products with alcohol, etc. etc.) and not just type of curl, although it's true that the tighter the curls the more porous the hair.
I think you are misunderstanding LOIS. The porosity descriptions are independent of the wave/curl pattern/lack thereof descriptions. Also, the descriptions are intended for reference to undamaged hair.

BTW, my curls are very tight and not porous at all. Andre does not take this into account at all; my hair is assumed to behave almost identically with others of similarly sized curls. An example of how LOIS more thorough approach caters more effectively to the varying aspects that make all of our hair unique.

redcelticcurls 12-07-2006 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jeamaria
Quote:

Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
I addressed my comment to the OP...



You did also post it on a public messageboard.

I am simply offering up reasons why people seek ways of characterizing and dealing with their curls outside of the very limited Andre system.

Characteristics like texture and porosity affect the way your hair behaves much more than curl size, which is why many curlies take recs from other posters with completely different curl patterns because of similarites in texture and the way their hair absorbs what's applied to it.

Quote:

Anyway, porosity depends on a number of factors (like whether you've had any chemical or thermal procedure on your hair, are exposed to wind, hard water, use products with alcohol, etc. etc.) and not just type of curl, although it's true that the tighter the curls the more porous the hair.
I think you are misunderstanding LOIS. The porosity descriptions are independent of the wave/curl pattern/lack thereof descriptions. Also, the descriptions are intended for reference to undamaged hair.

BTW, my curls are very tight and not porous at all. Andre does not take this into account at all; my hair is assumed to behave almost identically with others of similarly sized curls. An example of how LOIS more thorough approach caters more effectively to the varying aspects that make all of our hair unique.

This is interesting. I know that I have done better reading about routines and products from some of the curlies in the 3c & 4a groups than I have in my own 3b group. I wonder if those I find routine and/or product compatible have a similar LOIS rating.

Also, for those who are familiar with LOIS. I know that I have plenty of S hairs. But, I have ones that look like a spring and the individual hair will roll on the surface (like if it's on the sink) if caught by the breeze. I don't know if that's an S or an O. I think I'm cottony, but the descriptions are a bit challenging.

Kurlee 12-07-2006 07:05 PM

I thought the LOIS system was more geard towards African American hair? There was a thread about this a couple of months ago..or maybe it was last winter. Urbancurl started it I think. I couldn't find it though. Maybe it got deleted.

HalfWavyHalfCurly 12-08-2006 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeamaria

You did also post it on a public messageboard.

I am simply offering up reasons why people seek ways of characterizing and dealing with their curls outside of the very limited Andre system.

Characteristics like texture and porosity affect the way your hair behaves much more than curl size, which is why many curlies take recs from other posters with completely different curl patterns because of similarites in texture and the way their hair absorbs what's applied to it.

Quote:

Anyway, porosity depends on a number of factors (like whether you've had any chemical or thermal procedure on your hair, are exposed to wind, hard water, use products with alcohol, etc. etc.) and not just type of curl, although it's true that the tighter the curls the more porous the hair.[/color]
I think you are misunderstanding LOIS. The porosity descriptions are independent of the wave/curl pattern/lack thereof descriptions. Also, the descriptions are intended for reference to undamaged hair.

BTW, my curls are very tight and not porous at all. Andre does not take this into account at all; my hair is assumed to behave almost identically with others of similarly sized curls. An example of how LOIS more thorough approach caters more effectively to the varying aspects that make all of our hair unique.

I'm glad that it helps you and all but what I was saying is that most people here are not familiar with that system because most stick to the one I mentioned. I didn't say it was a perfect system, just what most here understand. And perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "strange", just unfamiliar; as you'll notice, besides you only one other person posting here knew what you were talking about and Kurlee just happened to hear about it months ago.

I was taught in school (and have been able to verify by myself) that in the majority of cases it IS true that the tighter the curl the more porous the hair tends to be because of the strain coiling puts on the cuticle, preventing it from laying completely smooth as in the case of straight or wavy hair. However, there are many people who have several layers in their cuticle (and it seem you may be one of those) whereas others don't.

sunday 12-08-2006 10:40 AM

Regarding the "wet" issue...
My husband can literally go under water and come out with dry hair. It does not absorb anything - it's like a brillo bad. Maybe that's what they mean.

jeamaria 12-08-2006 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurlee
I thought the LOIS system was more geard towards African American hair? There was a thread about this a couple of months ago..or maybe it was last winter. Urbancurl started it I think. I couldn't find it though. Maybe it got deleted.

It was created by an African American woman but I doubt it was created with only African Americans in mind. I can't think of one tangible quality to link all the hair types African Americans have, that you could base a whole system on.

I think it is supposed to be as broad yet as detailed as possible; that's why it refers to porosity, and texture, as well as wave pattern.

jeamaria 12-08-2006 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
This is interesting. I know that I have done better reading about routines and products from some of the curlies in the 3c & 4a groups than I have in my own 3b group. I wonder if those I find routine and/or product compatible have a similar LOIS rating.

Also, for those who are familiar with LOIS. I know that I have plenty of S hairs. But, I have ones that look like a spring and the individual hair will roll on the surface (like if it's on the sink) if caught by the breeze. I don't know if that's an S or an O. I think I'm cottony, but the descriptions are a bit challenging.

It would be interesting to see if those posters match your LOIS traits, RCC.

The parts that have been more indicative for me are thickness and the porosity differences in the LOIS texture. I see so much of my hair under "wiry", but I think too many properties are included under each category (i.e. cottony, wiry, thready, silky, spongy) for them to be as accurate as they could be.

People with a large diameter strand, regardless of curl types, and whose hair is not too absorbent tend to be the people whose product choices go along with my hair's tastes. They may/may not list a LOIS type, but certain characteristics they mention indicate their hair acts in a similar LOIS way as mine, regardless of curl size.

CelticCurls 12-10-2006 11:14 AM

I remember reading about this system a couple years ago. Unfortunately, it's so complicated that no one could find a way to use it for meaningful comparisons. :cry: Which kind of defeats the whole purpose of using the system to compare 'apples to apples' -- it would likely be less accurate than the Andre system, b'coz since no one understands the variables, no one will type themselves correctly. And we'll all be comparing & oranges again.

I do notice that laurabeth has done a great job of coining detailed terms we can all use to further ID our hair: different curl types (chunky, piecey, natural) and she takes into account porosity levels. For me, if someone says "I'm a 3B prone to frizz" I pretty much know they've got my kind of hair.

Kurlee 12-10-2006 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CelticCurls
I remember reading about this system a couple years ago. Unfortunately, it's so complicated that no one could find a way to use it for meaningful comparisons. :cry: Which kind of defeats the whole purpose of using the system to compare 'apples to apples' -- it would likely be less accurate than the Andre system, b'coz since no one understands the variables, no one will type themselves correctly. And we'll all be comparing & oranges again.

I do notice that laurabeth has done a great job of coining detailed terms we can all use to further ID our hair: different curl types (chunky, piecey, natural) and she takes into account porosity levels. For me, if someone says "I'm a 3B prone to frizz" I pretty much know they've got my kind of hair.

I could never understand how my hair fit in to the LOIS system. It is all pretty confusing to me. To tell you the truth my hair fits in with one thing in one group and another in the next (and so on).

On the other hand my hair doesn't fit in all that great in the André Walker system either, but better than LOIS.


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