I use it without gel, and it has enough hold for me even though I usually need plenty of hold. It can feel producty if you use too much, although it will probably still look okay. Whatever you do, don't use a leave-in with it, because it's plenty moisturizing.
I get it it at britsuperstore.com They usually have great deals like buy one get one. It is very cheap but shipping is a lot. Also, you may want to pay extra to get it sooner otherwise you may not receive it for three to four weeks.
Member since 2001;back with new name. 3a/b. Current faves and routine:very little pink boots,HEBE , smooth and scrunch with L'Oreal Weather or Not.
I use it over my leave in (I need lots of moisture) and under re:coil. In the summer, I use it under a gel. I use about a quarter sized amount. It's more than many, but my hair is fairly long and thick at this point.