What to look for in a conditioner CG

I'm taking this from the book for those that don't have it as we're discussing conditioners so much during the dry weather. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying we can't just choose what works, I'm just typing fromt the Curly Girl book.

"Here's what to look for:
Emollients soften and smooth skin and reduce frizz in hair by smoothing the cuticle. There are hundreds of emollients. Shea butter is foiund in a lot of products for African American hair and it's excellent for most curly types. Others to look for are vegetable oils, wheat germ, olive and walnut oils.

Proteins coat the hair shaft and ptoect it. Look for plant proteins such as wheat, wheat germ, or soy protein on the bakc of the label.
Also, make sure your diet includes lots of protein because it's necessary for keeping your hair healthy from the inside out.

Humectants absorb water and hold in moisture. They are absolutely crucial in a conditioner for curly hair. Panthenol, vegetable glycerine, and sorbitol are just a few humectants to look for on the label.

Moisturizers add softness and control to curly hair. Amino acids and aloe are two great moisturizers.
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
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If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Good job medusahair, I'm bumping this so more newbies can read it.

Let me please add that although not mentioned in the book directly, some essential oils (like lavender, eucalyptus, rosemary, peppermint, tea tree oil, lemon, lime, and thyme) can be very helpful as they have cleansing and conditioning properties, most or all of the above also have anti-bacterial action and they help break down residue from gels and other styling products.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
I read that paragraph in the book then said " Great " very sarcasticly.

Here's the problem. That paragraph really left me frustrated. I don't know what Emollients, Proteins, Humectants, and Moisturizers real names are. Which are the best ones and which ones to stay away from. Those words in and of themselves are not on most conditioner ingredient labels. Code words are.

What are those words we need to look for and to stay away from?
My hair can't take a lot of oils and lavendar just makes me frizz so I'll stick to the curly girl book way of picking out my conditioner.

The things to watch out for if you're not shampooing with sulfates are things that end in xane, cone, also wax can coat the hair and suffocate it(although low on the list sometimes hair can handle I've noticed) mineral oil, hmm I'm sure there are others and someone will chime in.
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
medusahair:

I want to clarify that essential oils are not like vegetable oils, they're volatile so they evaporate quickly and do not sit on the hair (or skin) for long like other oils do. Also, they can actually help remove regular oils from the hair and scalp. And Lorraine does recommend essential oils in her recipes and they certainly are included in all their products.

TeresaS:

Sounds like you need to put Google search to work at your service! There's tons of info online which you can get by just typing a few words and hitting enter. I could say I know quite a bit about ingredients but my knowledge is limited even though it's taken me years to accumulate it. So I still do searches all the time. Besides, no one can really give you a complete list because there are simply too many ingredients used today (and many more being developed all the time), however, if you go back and read medusahair's post she gave good examples of things to look for in each category.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
Maybe they evaporate for you but oils just sit on my hair. I can use say DevaCurl conditioner but I can't use say Jessicurl. My hair does not absorb things quickly.
I don't use her recipes either. And her Mist-er right gives me frizz and makes my hair look dirty.
Again I prefer to look for what she states to look for in a conditioner and not read anymore into it. So far that's working for me.

Anyway I didn't post this to embelish with what I use or like I posted it for those that don't have the curlygirl book I'll leave it at that and those that need to can read it.
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Listen, I found your thread and I bumped it because I thought it was a very good thing. Because of my experience here and to be helpful to others (just like you) I decided to add what I wrote about essential oils, but you, like anybody else, are totally free to decide for yourself what works best for you and just because I make a general recommendation of essential oils you don't have to think I'm directing this to you.

Not to argue but just to make things clear to others who may be reading this, you mention you can use DevaCurl but not Jessicurl. The difference between those two brands is that DevaCurl OneC only contains some olive oil whereas Jessicurl's Aloeba contains coconut, jojoba and avocado oil, the TooShea! contains shea butter, jojoba and avocado oils and the Weekly DCT contains shea & cocoa butters, rather heavy-duty. After checking the list of ingredients I realized neither really has pure essential oils, just "water infused with" several herbs (some from which essential oils are also extracted so I got momentarily confused by that), only No-poo has peppermint oil and Mr. Right has lavender but since it also has several other ingredients (like propylene glycol...) unless you've made your own lavender spray with distilled water only and it too caused frizz you couldn't be 100% sure it was the lavender oil that caused the frizz/dirty look.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
Well that explains why DevaCurl doesn't bother my hair. JC must just have too much oil. I did have my own lavendar spray, the Mist-er right could be something else in there but it reacts the same is what I'm going by. Now that's just Lavendar of course.

TeresaS, anyhoo that's why I like to just buy the stuff from the DevaCurl line generally so I don't have to label read but ya know I had to learn at least what my hair doesn't like after a while and just stick with the stuff. I'd think it was all too much bother but I do get ahold of stuff that just makes my hair look like crap and I want to avoid things that have that in it. But I don't know what all of the things are unless I google them. I know what my hair hates pretty much. Oy who knew hair care was gonna be such a pain eh?
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Anyone else ever wish they'd taught us something useful in chemistry class? Like the defiinitions of all of the above.

Just my 2 cents on the oil thing: I wish coconut oil & shea butter worked in my hair like they do on my skin. But they don't. They just sit there, making it stiff, puffy, & limp.All at once. I hate the smell of lavender myself; reminds me of moth balls & my grandma's closet. However, I do like some essential oils. Rosemary is great for de-gunking product residule and soothing a dry, itchy scalp. It's also supposed to be great for dark highlights. I add 3 drops to a non-sulfate poo.

My understanding of essential oils is that they are almost like solvents (they have a turpentine texture, not a greasy one), & actually enter the bloodstream through the skin for therapeutic uses. That's why they tell you to dilute them in another oil, to buffer them.
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Just for any newbies reading this:

Everyone's hair is different. Some people may be protien sensitive. As a result, the hair may become dry, brittle, and have a hay-like feeling. Also, the same thing goes for oils. Those with fine hair may find that oils weigh their hair down. Instead, conditioners with ingredients like aloe vera can be used.
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Currently: Trying to stop straightening so much. Using Elucence conditioner and whatever works for me.
Yeah that was pretty much my point is that I stick with the basics since the other stuff doens't always work for me.
Although you're also right about the protein. Protect or not it's not good to have some types in my conditioner , for MY hair anyway.

And yes I wish they had taught us chemistry that would apply here. I wasted 6 years getting a bachelor's of science just to be learning this stuff from scratch
2c/3a?
Low porosity, medium texture.
http://public.fotki.com/Medusahair/

If it smells good put it in your hair, if it tastes good spit it out!
Anyone else ever wish they'd taught us something useful in chemistry class? Like the defiinitions of all of the above.

Just my 2 cents on the oil thing: I wish coconut oil & shea butter worked in my hair like they do on my skin. But they don't. They just sit there, making it stiff, puffy, & limp.All at once. I hate the smell of lavender myself; reminds me of moth balls & my grandma's closet. However, I do like some essential oils. Rosemary is great for de-gunking product residule and soothing a dry, itchy scalp. It's also supposed to be great for dark highlights. I add 3 drops to a non-sulfate poo.

My understanding of essential oils is that they are almost like solvents (they have a turpentine texture, not a greasy one), & actually enter the bloodstream through the skin for therapeutic uses. That's why they tell you to dilute them in another oil, to buffer them.
Originally Posted by CelticCurls
I hear you! But I didn't like chemistry enough to pay sufficient attention so shortly after I got out of school I could hardly remember the basics and later I regretted it.

My hair is very fine so I don't use a lot of oils, like many other curlies I've found I barely need them in the summer when it's hot and humid, at most a couple of drops of jojoba oil (which is the one more like our own sebum) rubbed in my palms when I'm taking the crunch out of my curls. But during the cool, dry months my hair seems to like them a lot more and that's when I may do a couple of oil DTs. A couple of years ago I bought shea butter and added it to a couple of COs and that didn't work at all but I also remember it was still hot here. Coconut oil worked great but I used it during the "winter" as an overnight treatment which I CO-washed the next day. I also think it's much better to apply oils on damp hair or in the form of a lotion oil moisturizer, that way they are distributed more uniformly and there's less risk of overdoing it.

And your understanding of e.o. is correct. Most of them contain substances called turpenes or terpenes which are indeed solvents; that's why they can dissolve other oils for scalp cleansing (something that can be useful for curlies with oily scalps) and help break down some silicones and plastic resins from styling products. Curlies with normal-dry scalp who never use 'cones, heavy gels and/or hair spray probably don't need to concern themselves with e.o. (although they could benefit from their other properties such as promoting hair growth, balancing oil production, clearing scalp conditions, etc. ).
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
Sorry, dp!
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
I wonder why she is so into wheat protein when that is the most common one for hair issues if one is going to have a protein issue.

I wonder if anyone has just told her - up front - that lots of curlies can't use her B'Leave in because it has so much wheat in it.
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