Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate

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There are a few different posts going about this ingredient and I thought I would try to bring it all together!

There are a few low poos out there using Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate...I have been using Kinky Curly Come Clean (marketed as gentle, moisturizing, and sulfate free). Basically the only low poo that I like, that my hair likes, that doesn't dry me out, make me itch, etc.

But it looks like Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate is not getting a good rap...Is this ingredient better than SLS? Is it harsher? I believe that the shampoos containing this ingredient say sulfate free...But is it really?

Feedback please! THANKS!
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Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
It's considered harsher than sulfates (SLS, etc). It's a sulfate relative, but as I understand it, it's more of a cousin than a member of the immediate family, to extend the metaphor. (I don't have the chemistry to back this up - this is what I've read on here a number of times - I think rymorg said it in one of the other threads abotu this ingredient - and on other beauty sites). Keep in mind that though it's sulfates that CG 'preaches' against, they're not the only harsh surfactant.

However, it it works for you and isn't stripping, then it's not stripping for you. Similarly, if you're using a lo-poo that you find stripping than it's not gentle for you. Everyone's hair is a little different and reacts differently to different ingredients. I also find Come Clean comparatively gentle (but I have to be careful about amounts), and I don't get stripped using shampoos with ALS in them; 'lo-poos', however, turn my hair into straw. If you like it, use it. :-)
3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

Favourites:
CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

American literature PhD student in the UK...
Thanks for the reply! I just did some searching and found this on NC from the CurlChemist...

"Some anionic surfactants can provide comparatively gentle cleansing to the hair because they do not remove as many oils and fats. Anything with a carbon count above 12 (in even increments) is considered to be less harsh. Some examples of this are sodium myreth sulfate and sodium C14-16 olefin sulfonate. Also, sodium coco sulfate, derived from coconut oil, contains a mixture of chains containing anywhere from 8-18 carbons. This makes it gentler than SLS. There are also numerous nonionic surfactants, such as sorbitol, decyl glucoside, laureth 4-20, and decyl polyglucose, which contain no positively or negatively-charged groups. These surfactants are considered to be much less drying to the hair."

This is saying that it is less harsh than SLS (although there are other ingredients that are even more gentle)...

You are right though, you have to use what works for you...I will most likely keep using the Come Clean, but was definitely curious about the ingredients...
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
See - now that's weird. I've read in a lot of places that it's much harsher.

Just some examples:
http://www.thebeautybrains.com/vanil...cussionID=1074
http://www.cosmeticscop.com/cosmetic...n-sulfate.aspx
http://thebeautybrains.com/2008/04/1...ood-face-wash/ (scroll down to comments on the Neutrogena face wash)
(plug the name into google - you get all sorts of interesting stuff about it)

One of the links above makes reference to the importance of formulation when considering the relative harshness of surfactants, and I think that's something to keep in mind as well. The gentlest shampoo I've ever used had 4 different surfactants in it - two of which were sulfates - but the formula had clearly been carefully constructed so that there wasn't enough of any of them to dry me out, just clean my hair. Likewise, I've used some lo-poos with only coco betaine (the supposedly 'gentlest' surfactant on the market) and they've made my hair go like straw, because when relied on as a sole surfactant, coco-betaine can be extremely drying.

Hopefully someone with a bit more of a chemical understanding of what's going on here will come by and explain it a bit more - but again, best I can tell, it's considered as harsh if not harsher than most sulfates.
3b/c. Fine, med-high porosity, normal elasticity. Hair loves oils in summer, protein in winter. Constantly battling the hard water monster.

Favourites:
CJ Curl Theory, Curl Rehab, Smoothing, Curl Fix, Daily Fix, CCCC, CIAB, CQ, SSCC, MC shampoo, Inecto Pure Coconut Oil, CP luscious curl creme (summer), DB Pumpkin Seed (summer), FD/MT, JCWDT, JCTS

American literature PhD student in the UK...
This is weird...I found that information too.

Anyone who has more chemical understanding...Can you explain this discreptancy?

Thanks!
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
importance of formulation when considering the relative harshness of surfactants, and I think that's something to keep in mind as well
Truthfully, that is the only thing to really keep in mind. I used to drive myself crazy scrutinizing ingredients CJ products opened my eyes to formuation as opposed to single ingredients when choosing what would work for me.

I still look at them but look at the surrounding ingredients more so then any ONE in particular.. Plenty of people have said that KC Come clean was harsh for them others say the opposite. I've never tried it myself so can't say how my own head reacts to it.

ETA: there are still certain things I will avoid no matter what...Like Lanolin and the -xane cone or other non water soluble ingredients.
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Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.

Last edited by DEL2C; 10-21-2010 at 09:29 AM.
IAGirl (who is an actual scientist-not clearly an amateur one like myself!) answered me on the 2 board where I paged her on the subject.
I cross posted the answer on Trader Joe's Refresh shampoo thread on the Product Reviews board.
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
2b, medium-fine, normal-low porosity, medium density and elasticity
CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
CHS Curl Keeper, KCCC
Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
I never found this to be harsh on me. However, I think a lot has to do with formulation. Like another poster mentioned, the surrounding ingredients are important to consider. Also, keep in mind how much of it is being used. Higher levels of concentration will probably be harsher than lower levels.
I don't find SLES (not to be confused with SLS) to be drying or harsh either.

People react to ingredients differently. It doesn't surprise me that this ingredient is harsh on some people and not on others.
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.


3a/3b
IAGirl (who is an actual scientist-not clearly an amateur one like myself!) answered me on the 2 board where I paged her on the subject.
I cross posted the answer on Trader Joe's Refresh shampoo thread on the Product Reviews board.
Originally Posted by justajesuschick
Thanks JAJC...I read through that information but was looking more for the reason in the difference of opinion between the CurlChemist and the rest of the research...May just boil down to formulation!

I never found this to be harsh on me. However, I think a lot has to do with formulation. Like another poster mentioned, the surrounding ingredients are important to consider. Also, keep in mind how much of it is being used. Higher levels of concentration will probably be harsher than lower levels.
I don't find SLES (not to be confused with SLS) to be drying or harsh either.

People react to ingredients differently. It doesn't surprise me that this ingredient is harsh on some people and not on others.
Originally Posted by Boomygrrl
Thanks Boomygrrl, good points...This ingredient is in the middle of the ingredient deck for Come Clean AND mixed with coco-betaine...On my hair it doesn't seem that harsh!
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
I never found this to be harsh on me. However, I think a lot has to do with formulation. Like another poster mentioned, the surrounding ingredients are important to consider. Also, keep in mind how much of it is being used. Higher levels of concentration will probably be harsher than lower levels.
I don't find SLES (not to be confused with SLS) to be drying or harsh either.

People react to ingredients differently. It doesn't surprise me that this ingredient is harsh on some people and not on others.
Originally Posted by Boomygrrl
I've found ALS or ALES to be quite gentle for sulphates too, as long as I follow up with a good quality conditioner.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
importance of formulation when considering the relative harshness of surfactants, and I think that's something to keep in mind as well
Truthfully, that is the only thing to really keep in mind. I used to drive myself crazy scrutinizing ingredients CJ products opened my eyes to formuation as opposed to single ingredients when choosing what would work for me.

I still look at them but look at the surrounding ingredients more so then any ONE in particular.. Plenty of people have said that KC Come clean was harsh for them others say the opposite. I've never tried it myself so can't say how my own head reacts to it.

ETA: there are still certain things I will avoid no matter what...Like Lanolin and the -xane cone or other non water soluble ingredients.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Thanks for the information Del! I agree with you about the certain ingredients to avoid...I do my best to avoid mineral oil, petroleum, lanolin, etc.

I think I am driving myself crazy! I try to break down everything...I think the bottom line is if my hair seems to be reacting to it well and there is nothing screaming at me (such as mineral oil, petroleum) I will keep using it.
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
I think I am driving myself crazy! I try to break down everything...I think the bottom line is if my hair seems to be reacting to it well and there is nothing screaming at me (such as mineral oil, petroleum) I will keep using it.
This is what I try to do, although mineral oil in Sally's knock off of KPac doesn't bother me LOL But then again that isn't something I use all the time either.
2B waves/ fine-med texture/normal porosity( I think?) trying to figure out my protein needs

AOGPB, SS Caitlins, Garnier Body Boost Condish
CJ Daily Fix or KC Come Clean
CJ Curl Fix is true LOVE
Love all SS products
Donna Marie Miragelly & my own FSG
AG MousseGel
BRHG
This is in the TJ Refresh too and I was so disappointed to see that. I'd been using this poo for about 2 1/2 years and never realized it. I have never had a problem with the TJ poo though, so I agree that it has to do with formulation. The Refresh has alot of herbal extracts and moisturizing ingredients in it, so even though the Olefin Sulfonate is higher up the list, I don't feel its drying me out.
Nonetheless, I'm going to start phasing it out of my routine. It'll take awhile because I have a whole bottle I haven't even opened yet, and a few more uses out of the bottle I'm using now. But I'm using the AO Rose Mosqueta as a low poo also, so I'm going to transition to that and save the Refresh for when I feel I need a more clarifying low poo.

I really liked it too! But I want to be as sulfate free as possible. I want to be cone free too, but I'm not ready to give up CJ CIAB Or my Bedhead Manipulator (no cones, but mineral oil)
That's me with FSG as my styler!!

3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

Currently using:
Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
Ok, so I washed with Rose Mosqueta today after the above post, and I've changed my mind. I think I HATE it! My hair did not feel cleansed. It felt dirty and coated and like I'd poured some thick oil, like olive oil, on it and tried to shampoo with it. The Rose Mosqueta would not rinse out, either.

It was weird because I'd used it about half a dozen times before and not noticed this happening. But I had not used it more than once in a row, and I washed with it Sunday, too. That might have something to do with it?

Anyway, I had to pull the TJ Refresh out and wash again with about a quarter-sized amount of poo, maybe a little less, to get the oiliness out. Then condition my hair using the saturation method I've seen on here, where you basically cowash and not rinse it out, then flip upside down and scrunch into the ends and let the condish sit in like normal. I felt like I had abused my hair!!
It feels ok now, and after I put in some condish as a leave in (I was using Yes to Cucs so it had a lot of slip, thankfully) and I have some nice spirals after putting in Pink Boots and Sally's Biotera Gel, and to cut down on the shock to my hair, I'm letting it air dry.

Needless to say, the search for a good low poo withoout sulfates continues, and the damn AORM is going on the swap board very soon.
That's me with FSG as my styler!!

3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

Currently using:
Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
Needless to say, the search for a good low poo withoout sulfates continues, and the damn AORM is going on the swap board very soon.
Originally Posted by Auntie Bubbs
A low poo is a shampoo without sulfates. A low poo has surfactants, like cocobetaine, sodium c14-16 olefin sulfonate, decyl glucoside, etc.

A regular shampoo has sulfates-- SLES, SLS, ALES, ALS

A no poo has neither sulfates or surfactants and is basically conditioner washing.
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.


3a/3b
Yes, that's what my TJ's Refresh was. But I want a low poo without sulfates, that I can clarify with.
Thanks for the heads up, I'm pretty sure I've got it unless I'm just way off base!
That's me with FSG as my styler!!

3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

Currently using:
Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB
Yeah, Bubbs, I am with you. No thanks to the Olefin for me. I can be happy with other lowpoos (there are so many good ones from which to choose!!) without this harsh ingredient.

Did you see this article here a few days ago?
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...han-the-others
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
2b, medium-fine, normal-low porosity, medium density and elasticity
CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
CHS Curl Keeper, KCCC
Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
I didn't see that, but it helps alot. Thanks!!

I'm just soooo bummed about that Sulfonate being in TJ Refresh. Really, really bummed. I'll keep looking for something that I can clarify with that doesn't have it and will let you know when I find it!
That's me with FSG as my styler!!

3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

Currently using:
Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB

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