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Old 11-27-2010, 03:39 PM   #1
 
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OK so, this past thanksgiving I went to my family gathering (of course) and saw my baby cousin (2yo) has TERRIBLE ezcema now.. if you know eczema you know how if it gets REALLY bad, the skin gets thick and cracks and bleeds. Thats how bad his skin is.. he was laying in the bed just scratching and crying during the dinner and it was just terrible.
His mother is a lil negligent so I want to get him somethings to help with it. I know they need to regularly bathe him to seal some moisture in (his skin is soooo dry) but at this point it burns to bathe him so he does not like baths (because they dont do it often enough) anything besides oatmeal I can add to the water to soothe?
Also any suggestions on what type of soap to buy him (castille, goats milk?) and whats best to moisturize (I was going to give him whipped shea and coconut oil), any suggestions on that or any remedies you may have would be great!

Heres the problem: his grandmother cares for him and is allergic to oatmeal. Which eliminates ALOT of things.
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Old 11-27-2010, 07:48 PM   #2
 
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Your baby cousin's eczema sounds similar to my eczema. It could be caused by a number of different things. I know last year I thought the eczema on my hands, arms, and legs was caused by a lack of moisture, but I went to an allergist because nothing I tried had been working and I found out my eczema was caused by many different food allergies, including oatmeal and wheat. I found that cutting out any beauty products I had been using that contained either of these ingredients or any other foods I was allergic to helped out.

My allergist also told me that rubbing or scratching causes more itching, which in turn causes more scratching and cracked skin. Whenever he takes a bath, if you can try and keep his mom from harshly rubbing his skin while cleaning, and try to have her pat his skin dry instead of rubbing it might help too, I've noticed that helps me. Also, try washing him with unscented bath products. I use Dove's sensitive skin body wash, but I'm going to try CeraVe's body wash next because I don't think it contains sulfates and some people are allergic to sulfates. Cetaphyl also makes a really good gentle body wash. After the shower, I use Aquaphor because it's really gentle and it is unscented. It's also really moisturizing since it's more of an ointment than an actual lotion. It takes a little longer for it to absorb completely, but my skin feels more hydrated after using it.

I really hope this helps out, I know last year my hands were so bad it would bring me to tears. I highly recommend trying to take him to an allergist if you can to see if he has any food allergies that might be causing it. And if you buy him any products, buy him washes and lotions that are gentle and unscented like the ones I recommended. I really hope his skin gets better, I know how painful it is whenever my skin cracks and bleeds, especially when you can't stop scratching.
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+1 on the CeraVe. I love that stuff.
Other brands to look at are Vanicream/Free&Clear.

Sea salt soaks/baths in lukewarm (not hot) water help with oozing, even though it is counter-intuitive. A saline bath will be less uncomfortable than plain water for eczema for the same reason 2nd and 3rd degree burns and wounds needing debriding are washed with saline solution, NOT plain water. Plain water in your eyes or nose stings, but not salty water.

Soap/cleansers are not always a necessity. Our skin did not evolve with soap! It's great for smelly things and dirt and gunk, but otherwise it can cause more problems than it solves.
Avoid fragrances, preservatives, possibly even things like shea butter and so on. These can cause sensitivities and irritate already irritated skin, even if one is not allergic to them.

Food allergies and other allergies (dust mites, roach, dog and cat, mold etc) are common culprits. Allergy testing, if possible, is a good idea. Doing whatever cleaning up of the house is appropriate can make a big difference. So can allergy desensitization in the form of shots or under-the-tongue drops if that's an option (health insurance covers shots, not drops, and not all of us have insurance).

Things to include in diet are essential fatty acids, EPA, DHA (from fish oil) and gamma linolenic acid (from borage seed oil, evening primrose oil, or hempseed oil). These three do come in liquid form (better for kids) and are often lacking in the diets of people with eczema, but it is also possible that those with eczema don't use them properly and the eczema/inflammation is a result. Borage seed oil, evening primrose oil can be used topically on eczema, mixed about 1 to 10 with another non-irritating oil. Hemp oil can probably be used by itself.

And of course, there's the old standby, hydrocortisone ointment.

His caretaker would do well to talk to a friendly pharmacist who would show them the appropriate products and make suggestions about how to use them.

Another thought, if it is getting cold and dry where your baby cousin lives, a humidifier helps a lot. Or just hanging a wet towel in the room where he sleeps and letting it dry to release moisture -- so long as it's washed often to avoid mold growing on it.
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Good stuff ladies!! im gonna start with the sea salt and cerave to start.Thanks a bunch !
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Good luck helping your little cousin. I feel for him.
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+1 on using Cetaphyl and Aquaphor! My son has eczema, too. And I was also told it was likely a food allergy. As he's gotten older (he's 5 now), his eczema has lessened. But, it reappears every winter as soon as the air gets drier. His is mild enough that just using Cetaphyl and Aquaphor wards off the itching and cracking, for the most part. Aquaphor is really great for him and it's mild enough for infants. So, that may be a good thing to get for your cousin... poor baby.
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Recommend CeraVe lotion and cream. Haven't tried the cleanser yet.
CeraVe - Home
The top 2 Cetaphil cleansers contain sulfates. Lots of parabens too which are common in lotions it seems.
Cetaphil Gentle Skin Cleanser
Water, Cetyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Stearyl Alcohol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Butylparaben.

Cetaphil Daily Facial
Water, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Acrylates/Steareth-20 Methacrylate Copolymer, Glycerin, PEG-200 Hydrogenated Glyceryl Palmate, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Butylene Glycol, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Phenoxyethanol, Masking Fragrance, Panthenol, PEG-60 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben.

Cetaphil Restoraderm
Water, butyrospermum parkii (shea butter), sodium trideceth sulfate, glycerin, helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil, sodium chloride, sodium lauroampoacetate, cocamide MEA, niacinamide, tocopheryl acetate, allatoin, arginine, citric acid, methylisothiazolinone, SodiumPCA, 1, 2-Hexanedicol, caprylyl glycol, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, potassium sorbate, disodium EDTA.

Lots of helpful info
National Eczema Association - Living With Eczema - Bathing & Moisturizing

Hopefully you can get this baby some help. I remember that itch. Ugh.
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I have a pretty bad patch on the back of my hand and some that crop up on my legs and arms in the winter.

I have my cortisone cream for when things get really bad. It helps soothe the itching like nothing else does and is easy to cart around with me.

Cutting out sulfates has helped immensely as does showering less and actual bathing more in the winter. Adding oil like jojoba or hemp to the bath helps as well, it clings to the skin and helps to soften it. Afterward just gently pat dry and seal in with some lotion. Gentle exfoliation also helps to ease the itching, just don't use salt, it stings. Sugar scrubs etc are good. If they need to use soap, using something gentle like goats milk or castile soap well diluted.
Excellent moisturizers are shea, hemp, jojoba etc.

I second the humidifier suggestion. They can be picked up pretty easily this time of year. Def. go with a cold one for a child's room. That way if they stick their hand in the steam they won't get burned.
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Recommend CeraVe lotion and cream. Haven't tried the cleanser yet.
CeraVe - Home
The top 2 Cetaphil cleansers contain sulfates. Lots of parabens too which are common in lotions it seems.
Cetaphil Gentle Skin Cleanser
Water, Cetyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Stearyl Alcohol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Butylparaben.

Cetaphil Daily Facial
Water, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Acrylates/Steareth-20 Methacrylate Copolymer, Glycerin, PEG-200 Hydrogenated Glyceryl Palmate, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Butylene Glycol, PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate, Phenoxyethanol, Masking Fragrance, Panthenol, PEG-60 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben.

Cetaphil Restoraderm
Water, butyrospermum parkii (shea butter), sodium trideceth sulfate, glycerin, helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil, sodium chloride, sodium lauroampoacetate, cocamide MEA, niacinamide, tocopheryl acetate, allatoin, arginine, citric acid, methylisothiazolinone, SodiumPCA, 1, 2-Hexanedicol, caprylyl glycol, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, potassium sorbate, disodium EDTA.

Lots of helpful info
National Eczema Association - Living With Eczema - Bathing & Moisturizing

Hopefully you can get this baby some help. I remember that itch. Ugh.
Wow! Thank you, crimsonshedemon!! My son will benefit from this info along with Reeky's little cousin!
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I have just one patchy area that I suffer from eczema on (don't ask me why it hasn't spread) - my right index finger knuckle.

I have used Aquaphor and Cetaphil also. I have also found that Eucerin cream does well.

My oldest two have eczema also - worse than I do. They are also both asthmatic.

We have found that soaps drying it out makes it more itchy and weepy.

The only thing that works absolute miracles for me is as soon as I see the little bumps start to form, I use my Chlobetasol ointment (steroids) - yes, I know, not natural, but I couldn't prevent an outbreak without it.

I would use all the creams and lotions I could find, but I would still itch it bloody and cracked.

I found that the steroids were the only thing I could use that would really nip the outbreaks in the bud.

Tanning helped me, too - or swimming in a chlorine pool, but yeah - I don't do those things any more! :-)

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I second the humidifier suggestion. They can be picked up pretty easily this time of year. Def. go with a cold one for a child's room. That way if they stick their hand in the steam they won't get burned.
The humidfier is a great idea if it'll be kept clean. Otherwise, it's just a bigger health hazard. from the sound of it, it won't be kept clean. If they can't even keep the baby clean, they're not gonna keep a humidifier clean, sadly.
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This Dermadoctor eczema article may be helpful. It looks like fissures need to be treated - and carefully - so they can heal well.

I'm trying out several products to help prevent my annual winter itchfest (from dry skin - I only have 1 patch on my ankle that has been officially diagnosed as eczema). In the past, what worked to calm the itch is bathing with unscented products then covering myself head to toe with unscented lotion mixed with cortisone cream.

Trying, among others:

CeraVe hydrating cleanser (hopeful about this one): Purified Water, Glycerin, Behentrimonium Methosulfate and Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide 1, Hyaluronic Acid, Cholesterol, Polyoxyl 40 Stearate, Glyceryl Monostearate, Stearyl Alcohol, Polysorbate 20, Potassium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Cetyl Alcohol, Disodium EDTA, Phytosphingosine, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Carbomer, Xanthan Gum.

Free & Clear Conditioner (for co-washing)

Some gentle medicated cleansers in case it is more than just dry skin.
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Just talked to somebody who gets bad eczema and says that she cannot tolerate lotions or creams with vegetable oils/butters in them, she breaks out in a rash. That is things like triglycerides, shea butter, any form of vegetable oil etc.
I've read this before about people with eczema.
I cannot stand lotions like Lubriderm and "oily" feeling ones like that. They burn.
Vegetable oils have to be seriously modified in order to be tolerated (for some) but petroleum-based products can be better tolerated.
Go figure.
Love that cortisone for so many reasons.
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The humidifier idea is GREAT but i know they wont use it regularly or if they do, keep it clean so I wont even bother. Ive got a prescription to 2.5% hydrocortizone (I have sensitive skin myself) ill get for him cause 1% does NOTHING for me if I break out bad.
I got them eucerin before and it did nothing for them (worked great for me) i think mainly because it works best on damp skin. I think ill just get them a tube of aquaphor and try the coconut oil still since its fairly cheap.
I just read the Dove wash suggestion, dove soap is all I use idk why I didnt think of it!
I thought about it & i may have to start going over there and bathing/treating him myself once or twice a week, cause its really sad.
You know what his grandmother told me.. we all know kids & quiet dont mix. & When kids get really quiet theyre usually doing something their not supposed to.. well when he gets quiet hes somewhere hiding and scratching. Poor Baby
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I'm so sorry to hear about your baby cousin. It's hard to see a child suffer like that. Through my work with Eucerin I've heard from a lot of moms and family members dealing with a child's eczema that Aquaphor Healing Ointment has been effective in protecting and healing raw, cracked skin during flare-ups.

Since he is allergic to oatmeal and his skin is really sensitive you could try Eucerin Original Creme or Lotion as an everyday moisturizer.

The National Eczema Association has a program called EASE (Eczema & Sensitive Skin Education) that provides tools and resources related to the care and treatment of eczema and sensitive skin. You can find additional tips on their website.

I hope you cousin feels better soon! And please let me know if you have any more questions about eczema. I can forward your questions to dermatologist Dr. Deborah Sarnoff who is part of the Eucerin Skin FIRST Council.

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I got them eucerin before and it did nothing for them (worked great for me) i think mainly because it works best on damp skin. I think ill just get them a tube of aquaphor and try the coconut oil still since its fairly cheap.
I just read the Dove wash suggestion, dove soap is all I use idk why I didnt think of it!
I'm glad all of us could help! just another note, be careful with the coconut oil because I know I get a reaction to any beauty products with coconut in it and it can burn my skin.
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Very helpful website - thanks Classy10!
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