Curl Junkie or Spiral Solutions???

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Thanks Melaniesusan,
I'll check out my leave in and see for sure whats in it, I usually just leave in a little of my rinse out or Alba soft style cream. It looked pretty good today, a little fuzzy by the end of the day though. I'll use the AOMM tomorrow and compare. The CEJ didn't seem to have quite enough hold for me on it's own but I haven't tried it with the alba soft style cream either. Today I used the FHG over it.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
It seems to me (from this thread and others) that the people who love CJ tend to have stronger curl patterns, where as the ladies who prefer SS tend to have loser curls and/or finer hair. Would others agree with this observation?

Re: CEJ and frizz/flyaways== I found it gave me flyaways in dry weather. I think it's probably the agave or the aloe. If I use leave in, though, it's better...
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
@sbudsky: I don't have a strong curl pattern, but the more I've used both CJ and SS over time, my hair has become healthier so I need a little less gel than I used to. I used to use BRHG all the time, and now I almost never use it. Comparing CJ and SS, I don't get stronger curls with one line than the other. The only thing that gives me consistently strong curl is summer humidity (which unfortunately comes with frizz as well!) Adding a little protein to my routine also helps boost my curl.

For me, CEJ doesn't really "give" me flyaways; left to its own devices, my hair naturally has its own flyaways and I need products with hold to control them. The easy solution is to always use a hard-hold gel (like BRHG). However, I generally don't like the way my hair feels with this in it.

So what are the alternatives to hard-hold gel for someone (like myself) with a weak curl pattern?

The possibilties:
*A light- or medium-hold gel provides hold but virtually no moisture.
*A leave-in conditioner provides moisture but virtually no hold.
*A curl cream provides moisture plus some hold.
*A gelly, like CEJ, provides a little moisture and a little hold.

Solutions:

1. Curl cream + gelly = 2 sources of hold, neither of them crunchy. I still have some flyaways leftover, so the final SOTC step becomes crucial.

2. leave-in + gelly + medium-hold gel = 2 sources of hold, neither of them crunchy.

Gellies I've used and liked: SS CEJ, CJ CIAB, KCCC, UFDCM

Medium-hold gels I've used and liked: SS FHG, CJ CQ

@Beebop: IMO, when using CEJ over a curl cream, without an additional gel on top, the final SOTC step is crucial if you want to get rid of all flyways. You could use a tiny amount of a light butter product, like JC N&S, or one of the MD products. Or you could try a little bit of your leave-in conditioner and see how that works.

Also, the CEJ doesn't have enough hold for me either when used over a leave-in conditioner instead of a curl cream. I always finish with FHG in those cases.

The exciting thing is that CEJ + FHG (2 products) makes my hair more soft and touchable and less producty than using BRHG (1 product) without forfeiting any definition.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair

Last edited by melaniesusan; 03-30-2011 at 09:22 PM.
melaniesusan- you are such a great wealth of knowledge!!It looks like the two curl creams/jellies you use with a little hold are the CJ CCCC lt. and the SSCEJ? The rest of them look more like moisturizing leave ins/curl creams?

Yes my hair is naturally frizz fly away too, so I'm sure the SS CEJ isn't causing it, it just can't take care of it on it's own without the FHG. I'll try it tomorrow with my alba soft style cream since it has a little hold. How much comes out of each pump when you have a full size bottle? ( I only have the 2oz. sample ) I think I may always need the FHG since my wave pattern is pretty weak and gets weaker as the day goes on. Can't wait to finally try the JC samples and CJ samples as well. I'll also try the AOMM again with just the FHG too, it seems to be a good combo. Did you ever try AOMM?

It looks like your favorite gel is the SS FHG? then maybe the CJCQ or CIAB? Do they all have about the same strength of hold as the SS FHG? I really like the CEJ and the FHG combo, I just may need to be using more of the CEJ.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.

Last edited by Beebop; 03-30-2011 at 11:10 PM.
a word on the marie dean curling cream. i just got mine, and almost passed out from the very strong smell!! no choice of unscented, only vanilla available. if i were standing in starbucks i'd love the smell, but not on my head all day long! it smells like a very strong cup of something special from starbucks.

i have been using spiral solutions deeply decadent moisturizing treatment as a curl cream. after my leave in (currently using cj argan & olive oil conditioner), i blot excess water from my hair, then scrunch in the ss dd. it's been great -- what i like about ss dd is that it gives me shine, curl and softness. after reading ingredient lists on curl creams, it hit me that a lot of those ingredients are in ss d, so...... i tried it and i'm liking it very much. i also have found that cj and ss products work well together.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
melaniesusan- you are such a great wealth of knowledge!!It looks like the two curl creams/jellies you use with a little hold are the CJ CCCC lt. and the SSCEJ? The rest of them look more like moisturizing leave ins/curl creams?

Yes my hair is naturally frizz fly away too, so I'm sure the SS CEJ isn't causing it, it just can't take care of it on it's own without the FHG. I'll try it tomorrow with my alba soft style cream since it has a little hold. How much comes out of each pump when you have a full size bottle? ( I only have the 2oz. sample ) I think I may always need the FHG since my wave pattern is pretty weak and gets weaker as the day goes on. Can't wait to finally try the JC samples and CJ samples as well. I'll also try the AOMM again with just the FHG too, it seems to be a good combo. Did you ever try AOMM?

It looks like your favorite gel is the SS FHG? then maybe the CJCQ or CIAB? Do they all have about the same strength of hold as the SS FHG? I really like the CEJ and the FHG combo, I just may need to be using more of the CEJ.
Originally Posted by Beebop
@ Beebop: My favorite curl creams are: CJ CCCC lite (low to med dews); CJ CCCC (high dews); and MD CSC. My favorite gelly is SS CEJ. My favorite gel is SS FHG, with CJ CQ in 2nd place, BRHG in 3rd place, and ABBA firm-hold gel in 4th place.

Explanation of my gel rankings: CQ gives me more hold than FHG, but it's too easy to overdo, resulting in stiff hair, so I prefer FHG. When I use CQ correctly, hair is softer/more touchable than with BRHG. ABBA gives me firm hold (like BRHG), but with softer hair than BRHG does. However, I can only use it in high dews (because it contains a lot of glycerin), so it's less versatile.

Because SS FHG is only a medium-hold gel rather than a hard-hold gel, it doesn't give me quite enough hold by itself used over a curl cream. (If I want to use just curl cream + gel, then I use either CQ or BRHG for my gel.) Consequently, I prefer using FHG in conjunction with CEJ to boost the hold. At the same time, curl cream + CEJ + FHG can be too producty for my hair. That is why I prefer leave-in + CEJ + FHG instead. Or just curl cream + CEJ + SOTC w/ MD product.

Try this latter option at some point - it might work better than you expect. Kathymack is the one who gave me the idea, and it worked great. I just couldn't figure out for the longest time how she could get away with using a gelly rather than a gel, and this has really made it possible for me.

My wave/curl pattern also gets weaker as the day goes on, except in summer when humidity keeps my curls perky, and I'm generally okay with that. If you want to boost your curl even more, however, you could try adding more protein to your routine. FHG contains some silk protein, but you could also try CJ CCCC lite mixed with a little CJ curl fix (one of DEL2C's favorite combos). Or you could use CJ Repair Me as your rinse-out (I use this once a week).

In answer to your other questions: I did use AOMM a while ago, and couldn't get it to work for me, but I might not have used it properly. I've also had good luck with BB's FSG, but ultimately found that SS CEJ worked for me more consistently. And UFDCM works very similarly to SS CEJ but I detest the scent; plus, it's more expensive than CEJ.

In terms of amounts, 1 full pump of CEJ yields 1 flat quarter-size amount of product. I use 3 pumps altogether, so 3 quarter-size amounts in total (one for each side, and one for the back of my hair).

@ rbb: Marie Dean does tend to overdo scents in her products. Initially, she made the CSC with a caramel-scent, and by the end of day 1, I was tired of it. By the end of day 2, I couldn't wait to wash my hair. I then switched to the mango pudding plus for a while, and intended to order the CSC in unscented. However, she sent me a sample of the CSC in a new scent, which I think was the raspberry vanilla, and it was fine. The good news is that once any of her products have been sitting on your shelf for a few months, the intensity of the scent is substantially reduced. So if you can't bear it now, just put it to the side for a while and try it again in the summer.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
@ rbb: Marie Dean does tend to overdo scents in her products. Initially, she made the CSC with a caramel-scent, and by the end of day 1, I was tired of it. By the end of day 2, I couldn't wait to wash my hair. I then switched to the mango pudding plus for a while, and intended to order the CSC in unscented. However, she sent me a sample of the CSC in a new scent, which I think was the raspberry vanilla, and it was fine. The good news is that once any of her products have been sitting on your shelf for a few months, the intensity of the scent is substantially reduced. So if you can't bear it now, just put it to the side for a while and try it again in the summer.
Originally Posted by melaniesusan
thanks! i could not figure out what to do with it, i could not even offer it to my daughter. i had to wash my pillowcase the next morning! i'll set it aside and try it again in a couple of months.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
@ rbb: Marie Dean does tend to overdo scents in her products. Initially, she made the CSC with a caramel-scent, and by the end of day 1, I was tired of it. By the end of day 2, I couldn't wait to wash my hair. I then switched to the mango pudding plus for a while, and intended to order the CSC in unscented. However, she sent me a sample of the CSC in a new scent, which I think was the raspberry vanilla, and it was fine. The good news is that once any of her products have been sitting on your shelf for a few months, the intensity of the scent is substantially reduced. So if you can't bear it now, just put it to the side for a while and try it again in the summer.
Originally Posted by melaniesusan
thanks! i could not figure out what to do with it, i could not even offer it to my daughter. i had to wash my pillowcase the next morning! i'll set it aside and try it again in a couple of months.
Originally Posted by rbb
Another option: assuming you like the vanilla scent but just find it too strong, you can contact Marie Dean and ask her when the unscented CSC will be back in stock. Then order that one and mix the two together. That way you'll have the same scent, but half as strong as it is currently.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
Meleaniesusan-Sounds like I haven't used enough of the CEJ since mine was in the little trial size and I squirt out probably a nickel to quarter size, I've been a little stingy trying to get it to last a little longer.

CJ is still backordered on their samples so if Kathy Mac has them as well and isn't anymore expensive I'll see if I can get them from her. What does she put them in ( small containers, amt? )

I thought you also used CIAB? does it not have as much hold as FHG?
like you if I put too many products in my hair it will weigh it down so CEJ & FHG or cccc lt. with CEJ or a gel should work fine for my hair, plus I like to keep it simple, it makes it really difficult when you travel or even at home.
I do have the JC N&S that I use occasionally ( addicted to the scent! ) but I have to be very careful with it as it tends to make me greasy looking.

I'd love to try the other combos you mentioned so I'll wait for samples. Thanks again for letting me pick your brain!
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.

Last edited by Beebop; 03-31-2011 at 01:22 PM.
I thought you also used CIAB? does it not have as much hold as FHG?
Originally Posted by Beebop
Beebop, in terms of hold, I would compare SS FHG to CJ CQ. I would compare the hold of CIAB to CEJ: both are definitely gellies rather than med-hold gels. That being said, I get a little bit more hold from CEJ than from CIAB, so I usually choose CEJ over CIAB. I do really like the CJ beauticurls leave-in + CIAB + SOTC w/MD combo, however.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
I'm sorry I was mistaken, I though CIAB was a firm gel, sounds like it's more of a curl enhancing gellie? So one of the other CJ harder hold gels would have to go with it or SS FHG?

but it sounds like the CCCC Lt. has more curl enhancing properties than the CIAB? Sorry for all the questions.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
@Melaniesusan Thanks for the input! Like you, I loved hard hold gels in the beginning, but now don't seem to need them as much and tend to prefer styling products that leave my hair feeling soft and natural. I too have had success with a LI+jelly+medium hold gel, particularly CEJ+FHG, but also FSG and any gel.

I don't think it was clear, but I meant that the CJ line seems to work better for folks who naturally have a strong curl pattern and/or coarser hair, not that it gives people tighter curls. The SS line, on the other hand, seems tailor-made for ladies with fine hair and/or loose curls, since it has the salts for curl enhancing and the amino acids (i.e. protein).
waves, loose coils, and cherub curls (=mixed 2s through 3a), very fine texture overall (but with medium and even coarse strands scattered throughout)
I'm sorry I was mistaken, I though CIAB was a firm gel, sounds like it's more of a curl enhancing gellie? So one of the other CJ harder hold gels would have to go with it or SS FHG?

but it sounds like the CCCC Lt. has more curl enhancing properties than the CIAB? Sorry for all the questions.
Originally Posted by Beebop
Yes, CIAB is a curl-enhancing gellie, rather than a firm gel. However, it's very potent, and whenever I've tried it with CQ on top, my hair seems too producty. I prefer using it without gel on top. However, I haven't yet tried CIAB with FHG. That would be a worthwhile experiment. CIAB is very versatile - a lot of curlies use a small amount of it: (1) in high dews for frizz reduction, or (2) for added shine and definition.

For me personally, CCCC lite is more curl enhancing than CIAB. CCCC lite is a curl cream, and CIAB is a gelly. I've also tried them together (CCCC lite + CIAB), but it's too much for my hair; I prefer using a leave-in (like CJ beauticurls) under CIAB. CIAB is very moisturizing on its own.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
...I meant that the CJ line seems to work better for folks who naturally have a strong curl pattern and/or coarser hair, not that it gives people tighter curls. The SS line, on the other hand, seems tailor-made for ladies with fine hair and/or loose curls, since it has the salts for curl enhancing and the amino acids (i.e. protein).
Originally Posted by Sbudsky
You might be right about SS. I'm not sure whether any 3C/4A types (or 2C coarse) would like it. Maybe some of them will weigh in here.

I do know that CJ has products that accomodate all curl types, despite the fact that Marsha (the owner) is a 3C/4A. Lots of fine-haired wavies swear by CJ. She has several products with protein: CJ curl fix (collagen, soy, wheat, and corn protein), CJ CQ (wheat protein), CJ Repair Me (keratin protein), and CJ strengthening conditioner (keratin).

In addition, the CJ beauticurls leave-in conditioner and the CJ CCCC lite are specifically geared to fine-haired curlies. Marsha herself uses CCCC lite only as a refresher on dry hair; it's not heavy enough to use as a curl cream for her hair type.

Finally, even the heavier rinse-out conditioners (like CJ curl rehab and CJ smoothing) don't weigh down fine hair. (They are my 2 favorite conditioners, and that's saying alot because I easily get over-conditioned).

Here's a link to the part of the CJ website that shows which products go with which hair types, in case it's helpful:
Product Selection Guide
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair

Last edited by melaniesusan; 04-01-2011 at 10:08 AM.
I may end up liking the CCCC lt. or CIAB with the SS FHG or CJ aloe fix lt. since I think I'm sensitive to hydrolyzed wheat protein. I tried all of the Aveda curl products and the Alba gel which both have that in them and I was a frizzy limp mess! The CJCQ doesn't say hydrolyzed so I'm not sure if it's different or not, so we'll play with all of them when I hear back from CJ. ( I called to see when they would be back in stock )

I did read that Shantelle made the SS line specifically for finer hair curlies since she is one and had so much trouble finding natural products that worked for her, so it may be more geared towards that, but the CJ line says they have something for everyone eventhough Marsha is a 3b.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
Quite the discussion!

I really like the CJ conditioners (including rinse outs, leave-ins, PTs and DTs). I haven't had much luck with the stylers though. The only ones I've used and loved are the Aloe Fix lite and Curl Queen gel. I couldn't get the CCCC lite or aloe fix to work. I like CIAB as a frizz fighter.

I really like the SS CEJ but for some reason my hair hates the FHG.

My hair can't handle too much protein on a daily basis so maybe that's why SS was never super successful for me. I rotate the Caitlin's condish for a rinse out but am almost out and might not repurchase.

My hair is medium textured (but I still think a little on the coarser side) but a super weak wave pattern. Maybe that's why my hair likes products from both lines! I also prefer the gelly like products like CEJ, Uncle Funky Daughter's Curly Magic, KCCC and Donna Marie MiraCurl Curling Gelly.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: CJ Beauticurls, CJ A&OO, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: Mop C, KCCC, SCE FSG
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG


i have been using spiral solutions deeply decadent moisturizing treatment as a curl cream. after my leave in (currently using cj argan & olive oil conditioner), i blot excess water from my hair, then scrunch in the ss dd. it's been great -- what i like about ss dd is that it gives me shine, curl and softness. after reading ingredient lists on curl creams, it hit me that a lot of those ingredients are in ss d, so...... i tried it and i'm liking it very much. i also have found that cj and ss products work well together.
Originally Posted by rbb
Thanks for this tip, rbb. I have never used it that way, and now I wanna try it. I just got two fresh jars from CurlMart...hooray!

And yes, CJ and SS play together. I routinely use the CJ Smoothing Lotion to refresh 3rd or 4th day hair that's had SS CEJ/FHG on it for first and second day. They do very nicely.

And I've used CJ Curl Queen over SS CEJ with good results.

Since those are my two main lines...add in AG and Elucence and that covers most of what goes on my head....
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asianrunner- How do you like the DM curling gelly? Does it enhance your curls more than SS CEJ? It sounds like a homemade FSG with a lot of great add ins! What do you usually use over it as a gel?
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.

i have been using spiral solutions deeply decadent moisturizing treatment as a curl cream. after my leave in (currently using cj argan & olive oil conditioner), i blot excess water from my hair, then scrunch in the ss dd. it's been great -- what i like about ss dd is that it gives me shine, curl and softness. after reading ingredient lists on curl creams, it hit me that a lot of those ingredients are in ss d, so...... i tried it and i'm liking it very much. i also have found that cj and ss products work well together.
Originally Posted by rbb
Thanks for this tip, rbb. I have never used it that way, and now I wanna try it. I just got two fresh jars from CurlMart...hooray!

And yes, CJ and SS play together. I routinely use the CJ Smoothing Lotion to refresh 3rd or 4th day hair that's had SS CEJ/FHG on it for first and second day. They do very nicely.

And I've used CJ Curl Queen over SS CEJ with good results.

Since those are my two main lines...add in AG and Elucence and that covers most of what goes on my head....
Originally Posted by MirCurls
i'm curious to see how it works for you. report back! :-)
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
I have been following this post closely as I am currenly trying out both CJ and SS. Yesterday I used CJ smoothing lotion + CEJ + FHG. Hair was very soft, better than I think it's ever felt. Started out with minimal frizz but got worse as day went on. I had very little root curl but great sprirals starting about halfway down. Maybe it was the way I diffused. Would have loved this combo if had more root curl.
Today I used the very last little bit of CCCC I had left from my sample + CEJ + CIAB. So far I love this combo! Great root curl, shiny, defined curls, very little frizz, more crunch to scrunch out today than yesterday and hair doesn't feel bad but not as great as it did yesterday. WIll try CJ BLI, CEJ, FHG next time
Cyndi ~ TX CG since 11/10
3a, medium texture, normal porosity & elasticity, medium density, color-treated, frizz-prone

Currently using:
Co-wash: KMF Whenever Cond; Suave Naturals Coco; AIA Coconut cowash
Cleansing: CJ DF
RO: CJ Smoothing,GVP CB
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion, AIA leave in
Stylers: SCE Okra Gel; SCE CC; SSCEJ, SSFHG, AIA Curl Jelly; BRHG; JC Spiralicious

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