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Cyndi, I don't do good with wheat protein either, the CCCC lt. Does not have that in it, so that could be an option for you too. Can't wait to get my samples and try all the CJ products thanks to two wonderful cur lies on here that helped me out!
Originally Posted by Beebop
Yeah, that's an option. I've already used everything that came in my CJ sample pack. I wish I would've had the SS and CJ at the same time to mix & match I did like the CCCCL, and I may get it later, but for now, the BLI is working great with the CEJ/FHG. The CCCCL has silk amino acids, but I think my hair likes them ok. And the CCCCL is rec'd for low to med dews, so it may not work (for me) during our TX summers!! I think my next focus will be low poo and/or cowash. Looking into CJDF or SS has a couple, I think (cream poo & cleansing cream). Her etsy site is down right now while she moves to her new site.
Let us know how you like your CJ samples
Cyndi ~ TX CG since 11/10
3a, medium texture, normal porosity & elasticity, medium density, color-treated, frizz-prone

Currently using:
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coco; AIA Coconut cowash
Cleansing: CJ DF
RO: CJ Smoothing,GVP CB
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion, AIA leave in
Stylers: SCE Okra Gel; SCE CC; SCE HHG, SSCEJ, SSFHG, AIA Curl Jelly
So Cyndi-which line did you like more? I used all of my SS sample yesterday as well and I'm tempted to go ahead and buy full bottles now but I need to wait until I try the CJ products.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
So Cyndi-which line did you like more? I used all of my SS sample yesterday as well and I'm tempted to go ahead and buy full bottles now but I need to wait until I try the CJ products.
Originally Posted by Beebop
I really liked some of each of the lines. Here's the products that were standouts for me -

LI- CJBLI
Curl enhancer-SS CEJ; (really liked CCCC Lite too but will probably order the CEJ; may get the CCCCL later)
Gel- SS FHG/CJ AFL-love both! May prefer the AFL, but the CEJ/FHG seem to work really well together; love the texture of the fhg; will probably get both gels.
PT- CJ Repair Me- love!
DT-CJ Rehab- havent tried the SS DD but may before I make a decision on a dt
Serum-CJ CIAB-shiniest hair ever when use this!

I prefer the gelly type texture of the CEJ/FHG to some of the creamy type CJ prods. I havent used any of the conditioners/cleansers from either line, but I have the CJ Beauticurls Strengthening Cond on order.
I definately think the CJ stylers are heavier than the SS, if that matters to you. A little goes a long way with the CJ.
HTH
Cyndi ~ TX CG since 11/10
3a, medium texture, normal porosity & elasticity, medium density, color-treated, frizz-prone

Currently using:
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coco; AIA Coconut cowash
Cleansing: CJ DF
RO: CJ Smoothing,GVP CB
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion, AIA leave in
Stylers: SCE Okra Gel; SCE CC; SCE HHG, SSCEJ, SSFHG, AIA Curl Jelly
Thanks for the great input!
I really like the SS CEJ/FHG combo as well, I even get a lot of curl enhancement with the FHG alone. I may plan on getting some of both as well if the CJ works for me so my hair doesn't get satiated ( Kathymacs reccomendation ) on any one product and stop working.

After reading a lot of info. on the CJ line I was going to try both the CCCC lt. and the CIAB as a curl enhancer with either CQ or Aloe fix lt. on top or the CCCC lt. with the CIAB as a gel. Did you get any curl enhancement from the CIAB alone? Does it have enough hold as a gel? Or is it best used as a final product on wet hair or to SOTC for shine.

The only thing that you have that I'm not getting a sample of is the LI, I use my own cond, as a LI. But I am getting the repair me and the rehab. Thanks for your help!
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
I use the CCCC lite and CIAB together. I use a pea sized amount of each, mix them in my hands, and apply to very wet hair. I use BRHG on top for extra hold because I get fuzzy hair easy.
3a with some 2c thrown in
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pw: cow

Currently Loving:
Shampoo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni 50:50

Conditioners - CJ Strengthening, CJ Beauticurls Argan and Olive Oil, CJ Smoothing, CJ Rehab, CJ Curl Fix

Leave-in: CJ Beauticurls Leave-in

Deep Conditioner: CJ Hibiscus and Banana Deep Fix

Stylers -CJ Curl Queen, CJ CCCC Lite, CJ CIAB, CJ Pattern Pusha, Paul Mitchell Sculpting Foam, Mop-C Curl Defining Cream, BRHG, KCCC
Thanks for the great input!
I really like the SS CEJ/FHG combo as well, I even get a lot of curl enhancement with the FHG alone. I may plan on getting some of both as well if the CJ works for me so my hair doesn't get satiated ( Kathymacs reccomendation ) on any one product and stop working.

After reading a lot of info. on the CJ line I was going to try both the CCCC lt. and the CIAB as a curl enhancer with either CQ or Aloe fix lt. on top or the CCCC lt. with the CIAB as a gel. Did you get any curl enhancement from the CIAB alone? Does it have enough hold as a gel? Or is it best used as a final product on wet hair or to SOTC for shine.

The only thing that you have that I'm not getting a sample of is the LI, I use my own cond, as a LI. But I am getting the repair me and the rehab. Thanks for your help!
Originally Posted by Beebop

I haven't tried the CIAB by itself so I don't know how much hold it would give you alone. It says its a lightweight liquid styling gel/serum with a light hold. That's why I like to use it with the CEJ/FHG combo bc it provides a little extra hold. The CCCCL may work for you during the summer since you previously said the dews are always low in AZ; i don't think it's gonna work for me when the dews get high here in TX. You mentioned trying the CQ. That has wheat protein in it that you said previously your hair didn't like, but you never know, its in the sample pack so it wont hurt to try it.
Cyndi ~ TX CG since 11/10
3a, medium texture, normal porosity & elasticity, medium density, color-treated, frizz-prone

Currently using:
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coco; AIA Coconut cowash
Cleansing: CJ DF
RO: CJ Smoothing,GVP CB
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion, AIA leave in
Stylers: SCE Okra Gel; SCE CC; SCE HHG, SSCEJ, SSFHG, AIA Curl Jelly
curlyhairedfarmer-Glad to hear that combo works maybe it will be enough hold for me,unfortunately I wouldn't be able to use the BRHG on top because I'm not a fan of all the chemicals in it and I'm " trying " to use more natural products. The one time I tried it, it made my hairy stringy so maybe I'd have to use another product on top for a little extra hold, but if it works for you I'd say stick with it because it's sooo hard to find the perfect combo!

mrsgp101310-I had just seen some people talk about using the CIAB as a curl enhancer and wondered if it really helped in that sense, and then some just use it as their gel and then others like you said use it on top of everything. Do you use it on wet hair last or to SOTC?
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
I use it as my last product on wet hair before diffusing. I have used it when SOTC for random frizzies & flyaways It works great with the CEJ/FHG combo.
Btw, how did you like your JC samples?
Cyndi ~ TX CG since 11/10
3a, medium texture, normal porosity & elasticity, medium density, color-treated, frizz-prone

Currently using:
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coco; AIA Coconut cowash
Cleansing: CJ DF
RO: CJ Smoothing,GVP CB
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion, AIA leave in
Stylers: SCE Okra Gel; SCE CC; SCE HHG, SSCEJ, SSFHG, AIA Curl Jelly
Curl Junkie Aloe Fix

Without it I am nothing...
Natural since 2001
curl type: fine 3c with some 4a
length: between bsl-mbl (goal wl by 1/2012)
low-poo: giovanni 50:50 hydrating-clarifying
condish: giovanni smooth as silk
oil: unrefined organic coconut oil
stylers: curl junkie aloe fix gel , eco-styler protein gel
*spritz with filtered water and aloe vera juice to revive curls


My website: www.corkscrewcurls.com
I use it as my last product on wet hair before diffusing. I have used it when SOTC for random frizzies & flyaways It works great with the CEJ/FHG combo.
Btw, how did you like your JC samples?
Originally Posted by mrsgp101310
Sounds like a winning combo to me!

I tried both JC products alone and got much more curl enhancement and definition from the CC instead of the RR. The RR gave me a ton of frizz! and the CC alone a moderate amount of frizz but better curls. I combined CC yesterday with my Biotera gel and it wasn't bad, not perfect, but not bad either. I still like the CEJ/FHG better but I'm out of my sample for now.
I'm still on the fence with the JC sprays, the Awe inspiraling might be good to keep in your purse when you are having a bad hair day and everything has fallen flat, but I think it will increase curl but also give a little frizz. the gelebration is just a watered down version of the RR and comes out in a stream whereas the AI spray comes out in a nice mist.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
Yea! I just got all my CJ samples today, I'm so excited to try them! The only thing is I just got my hair cut and highlighted today too so should I start out with one of the CJ protein treatments first to fill in the porous holes in my hair strands and use the CJ Repair me or the curl fix followed by the curl rehab?

I read the great article by struttswife live curly live free and it talks about how highlighting your hair actually blows holes in the cortex of the hair and it needs to be filled in with a protein treatment.

Then I'll start experimenting, it takes a couple washes to get my hair back to normal after highliting.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
Yea! I just got all my CJ samples today, I'm so excited to try them! The only thing is I just got my hair cut and highlighted today too so should I start out with one of the CJ protein treatments first to fill in the porous holes in my hair strands and use the CJ Repair me or the curl fix followed by the curl rehab?

I read the great article by struttswife live curly live free and it talks about how highlighting your hair actually blows holes in the cortex of the hair and it needs to be filled in with a protein treatment.

Then I'll start experimenting, it takes a couple washes to get my hair back to normal after highliting.
Originally Posted by Beebop
I wait a week to 10 days before doing a heavy protein treatment after getting colored & highlighted. Be sure to follow up with a moisturizing DT. I also do them a week to 10 days before getting colored/highlighted.
http://public.fotki.com/msgiblet/ - pw: gibber -- Pics Added 7/10/11
Fine, Thick, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity

Countess Balashi of Divi Beach in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

If I'm Going To Have A Bad Hair Day, It Might As Well Be In Aruba!

I did use my AOGPB and AOHR first before getting highlighted and noticed my hair was limp and lifeless....so after reading many reviews on nc.com I decided the AOHR might be too moisturizing for me to use as a DT so I re-washed the next day with a low poo and did a rinse out with the AOGPB and my curls popped right back.

Any reason to wait 10 days before doing a PT and DT after highlighting?
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
Yay! Glad you got your CJ samples beebop Let us know how you like them.
I asked Marsha on the CJ page on Facebook about the Easter Sale and she said "There will likely be a sale but I don't have the details yet! " *sigh.............
I ordered the CJDF from aveyou.com this morning. Got 15% off and $5 shipping, not bad. $19 ended up being $21.15. Cant wait to try the DF
Cyndi ~ TX CG since 11/10
3a, medium texture, normal porosity & elasticity, medium density, color-treated, frizz-prone

Currently using:
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coco; AIA Coconut cowash
Cleansing: CJ DF
RO: CJ Smoothing,GVP CB
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion, AIA leave in
Stylers: SCE Okra Gel; SCE CC; SCE HHG, SSCEJ, SSFHG, AIA Curl Jelly
I did use my AOGPB and AOHR first before getting highlighted and noticed my hair was limp and lifeless....so after reading many reviews on nc.com I decided the AOHR might be too moisturizing for me to use as a DT so I re-washed the next day with a low poo and did a rinse out with the AOGPB and my curls popped right back.

Any reason to wait 10 days before doing a PT and DT after highlighting?
Originally Posted by Beebop
For me, when I color (I don't highlight, I go darker), I have found if I do a PT too close after coloring, my color fades quicker. I have NO idea why that is.
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
Yay! Glad you got your CJ samples beebop Let us know how you like them.
I asked Marsha on the CJ page on Facebook about the Easter Sale and she said "There will likely be a sale but I don't have the details yet! " *sigh.............
I ordered the CJDF from aveyou.com this morning. Got 15% off and $5 shipping, not bad. $19 ended up being $21.15. Cant wait to try the DF
Originally Posted by mrsgp101310
I signed up for the newsletter here on nc.com and they gave me 15% off to use when I order as well, not sure what the shipping is though, have you ordered from curlmart? I think it was rbb told me about aveyou website to order from as well, I'll have to compare the two.

By the way do you highlight your hair and know about a PT and DT post highlight?
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
I did use my AOGPB and AOHR first before getting highlighted and noticed my hair was limp and lifeless....so after reading many reviews on nc.com I decided the AOHR might be too moisturizing for me to use as a DT so I re-washed the next day with a low poo and did a rinse out with the AOGPB and my curls popped right back.

Any reason to wait 10 days before doing a PT and DT after highlighting?
Originally Posted by Beebop
For me, when I color (I don't highlight, I go darker), I have found if I do a PT too close after coloring, my color fades quicker. I have NO idea why that is.
Originally Posted by SegB
Thank you, I'll continue to research before I do anything today.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
I did use my AOGPB and AOHR first before getting highlighted and noticed my hair was limp and lifeless....so after reading many reviews on nc.com I decided the AOHR might be too moisturizing for me to use as a DT so I re-washed the next day with a low poo and did a rinse out with the AOGPB and my curls popped right back.

Any reason to wait 10 days before doing a PT and DT after highlighting?
Originally Posted by Beebop
Yeah, the AOHR is too much for my hair, too.

Doing a protein treatment with heat (which is how I used to do protein treatments after coloring/highlighting) immediately after highlighting could affect the color. If you do a search, you can probably find more explanation on this - something about breaking down bonds, etc., etc., - I can't remember exactly. Now, usually all I do is use CJ Repair me a week before coloring and then again a week or so after I just use CJ Repair Me in the shower and leave on for 10 minutes or so and follow with a little CJ Rehab - seems to be fine for keeping my hair in shape. I haven't been doing treatments with heat as often as I used to; if I feel my hair needs it and I'm feeling ambitious, I will do a heat treatment.
http://public.fotki.com/msgiblet/ - pw: gibber -- Pics Added 7/10/11
Fine, Thick, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity

Countess Balashi of Divi Beach in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

If I'm Going To Have A Bad Hair Day, It Might As Well Be In Aruba!

[QUOTE=Beebop;1626986
I signed up for the newsletter here on nc.com and they gave me 15% off to use when I order as well, not sure what the shipping is though, have you ordered from curlmart? I think it was rbb told me about aveyou website to order from as well, I'll have to compare the two.

By the way do you highlight your hair and know about a PT and DT post highlight?[/QUOTE]

I haven't ordered from Curlmart. Someone did mention in this post that shipping took alot longer with Curlmart vs aveyou.com.
I don't highlight, but I do color. I did quite a bit of researching dt's/pt's after coloring and it is recommended to wait at least 3 days i think is the general consensus. Here's a link where Rymorg discusses pt's & dt's - A few tips on treatments for newbies and not so newbies too
Cyndi ~ TX CG since 11/10
3a, medium texture, normal porosity & elasticity, medium density, color-treated, frizz-prone

Currently using:
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coco; AIA Coconut cowash
Cleansing: CJ DF
RO: CJ Smoothing,GVP CB
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion, AIA leave in
Stylers: SCE Okra Gel; SCE CC; SCE HHG, SSCEJ, SSFHG, AIA Curl Jelly
I did use my AOGPB and AOHR first before getting highlighted and noticed my hair was limp and lifeless....so after reading many reviews on nc.com I decided the AOHR might be too moisturizing for me to use as a DT so I re-washed the next day with a low poo and did a rinse out with the AOGPB and my curls popped right back.

Any reason to wait 10 days before doing a PT and DT after highlighting?
Originally Posted by Beebop
Yeah, the AOHR is too much for my hair, too.

Doing a protein treatment with heat (which is how I used to do protein treatments after coloring/highlighting) immediately after highlighting could affect the color. If you do a search, you can probably find more explanation on this - something about breaking down bonds, etc., etc., - I can't remember exactly. Now, usually all I do is use CJ Repair me a week before coloring and then again a week or so after I just use CJ Repair Me in the shower and leave on for 10 minutes or so and follow with a little CJ Rehab - seems to be fine for keeping my hair in shape. I haven't been doing treatments with heat as often as I used to; if I feel my hair needs it and I'm feeling ambitious, I will do a heat treatment.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
Thank you, I'm researching now. So did you keep your AOHR and use it as a rinse out? I'm contemplating returning it.

Thanks Cyndi- I pm'd Rymorg since she is the expert, and I couldn't find a definite answer in that long thread I remember reading before too.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.

Last edited by Beebop; 04-07-2011 at 11:11 AM.

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