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Today I used FHG over MD Curly Styling Cream and it came out great. Soft bouncy curls and little to no crunch to scrunch out! I like using just CEJ over the MD CSC, too, but I do have stronger curls today with FHG.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
I might check out the MDCSC. Just checked the ingred's and it seems to have lots of oils/butters. Does this product serve as a leave in and curl cream, much like CJCCCC?
Originally Posted by mrsgp101310
Yes, I use it as both a leave-in and curl cream. MD products are very moisturizing so a leave-in with it would be too much, at least for me. My hair loves butters; not so much oils but the CSC seems to work fine for me. I haven't gotten weighed down at all; in fact, I get plenty of volume, and no greasy or oiliness at all. kathymack has lots of MD samples to play with.
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I might check out the MDCSC. Just checked the ingred's and it seems to have lots of oils/butters. Does this product serve as a leave in and curl cream, much like CJCCCC?
Originally Posted by mrsgp101310
I use the MD CSC interchangeably with CJ CCCC and CCCC lite. I can use the CSC year-round, whereas I can only use regular CCCC in high dews.

I also have the MD mango pudding plus, which has more oils in it, and it's a bit too heavy for my hair in low dews; I prefer it in high dews.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
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I didn't use a leave in last night when I used the FHG alone and my curls looked great all evening, I sprayed with lavender spray and added more FHG this morning before work and they have held all day as well. Next time I'll try it with my leave in and see if it's just as good...maybe I could be a one product person! That would be nice! I think I'll also try it with more than 3 pumps of CEJ too and see what happens, my curls just seem to be looser with the CEJ.

I may also combine a couple of you girls ideas and try the DM curling jelly with the FHG and see what happens, the DM on its own was full of body and curl but a little frizzy, so the FHG may take care of that.

I definately don't need a harder holding gel on top at all, don't know what it will do in humidity though during the summer rains and when visiting San Diego beach area, maybe using some of the CQ on top would help too if I need it, we'll see....
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Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.

Last edited by Beebop; 04-18-2011 at 03:37 PM.
Beebop, for your CIAB/CQ combo how much of each are you using? And how are you applying each - both mixed together, applied separately? I haven't tried this combo yet.
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Beebop, for your CIAB/CQ combo how much of each are you using? And how are you applying each - both mixed together, applied separately? I haven't tried this combo yet.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
I apply directly out of the shower soaking wet, one quarter to fifty cent size of CIAB on the back half of my hair then one more quarter/fifty cent size on the top/sides of my hair, rake & scrunch through Then about a nickel to quarter size of the CQ to the same areas X 2, rake and scrunch, then plop for about 5 min. in microfiber turban, then diffuse to about 90% dry then air dry and maybe diffuse a little more if it isn't quite dry or if I'm in a rush and then SOTC.

I'm not sure which combo I like better, the SS and the CJ results so far are very similar, especially when I use the FHG alone it is very similar to the CIAB/CQ combo maybe even a little curlier. I would love to use more natural products so I'm leaning towards the SS but I think I would still keep at least the CQ around for extra hold for certain occasions like humid areas or high wind days....Let me know how it works for you, although have such beautiful hair everything looks good on you! By the way your pics from 2/6/10 with the SS CEJ/FHG look sooo curly and great! I don't think I saw a pic with the CJ products?

I was looking at the SS ingred. like you and Melaniesusan talked about and maybe it's the order they are in or the aloe vera powder? Don't know how diff. that is from the aloe vera juice? I know I don't get frizz with the FHG at all but I do with the CEJ and with plain old FOTE.
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.

Last edited by Beebop; 04-18-2011 at 11:13 PM.
Thanks for the input on the MDCSC msgiblet and melaniesusan I think I will probably try that next. The new SS w/s was finally running again yesterday afternoon, so I ordered the CEJ & FHG and they've already shippped which is good cuz I'm almost out of my samples! Ive tried the FHG with CIAB a couple of times now and it gives me great curls
Cyndi ~ TX CG since 11/10
3a, medium texture, normal porosity & elasticity, medium density, color-treated, frizz-prone

Currently using:
Co-wash: KMF Whenever Cond; Suave Naturals Coco; AIA Coconut cowash
Cleansing: CJ DF
RO: CJ Smoothing,GVP CB
LI: CJ Smoothing Lotion, AIA leave in
Stylers: SCE Okra Gel; SCE CC; SSCEJ, SSFHG, AIA Curl Jelly; BRHG; JC Spiralicious
Sorry, I meant to say earlier that I want to try the FHG with UFD curly magic not the DM curly gelly ( it was like KCCC in my hair, yuck! very producty ) Anyone try this?
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
Today I used FHG over MD Curly Styling Cream and it came out great. Soft bouncy curls and little to no crunch to scrunch out! I like using just CEJ over the MD CSC, too, but I do have stronger curls today with FHG.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
Great suggestion for a combo! I also think I was not using enough of the MD CSC so today I tried to use more. I was concerned about the oils/butters bit I think I was not using enough.


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Sorry, I meant to say earlier that I want to try the FHG with UFD curly magic not the DM curly gelly ( it was like KCCC in my hair, yuck! very producty ) Anyone try this?
Originally Posted by Beebop
I just got samples from kathymack of the UFD curly magic, DM curling gelly and Botanical Spirit curls puree (I can never remember the name of that one but something like that), but I haven't tried them yet.
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Today I used FHG over MD Curly Styling Cream and it came out great. Soft bouncy curls and little to no crunch to scrunch out! I like using just CEJ over the MD CSC, too, but I do have stronger curls today with FHG.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
Great suggestion for a combo! I also think I was not using enough of the MD CSC so today I tried to use more. I was concerned about the oils/butters bit I think I was not using enough.


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Originally Posted by xcptnl
How did it come out?

I wasn't using much of the MD CSC at first, either, because of the same concern, but it works great for me when I use more.
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Fine, Thick, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity

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Beebop, for your CIAB/CQ combo how much of each are you using? And how are you applying each - both mixed together, applied separately? I haven't tried this combo yet.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
I apply directly out of the shower soaking wet, one quarter to fifty cent size of CIAB on the back half of my hair then one more quarter/fifty cent size on the top/sides of my hair, rake & scrunch through Then about a nickel to quarter size of the CQ to the same areas X 2, rake and scrunch, then plop for about 5 min. in microfiber turban, then diffuse to about 90% dry then air dry and maybe diffuse a little more if it isn't quite dry or if I'm in a rush and then SOTC.

I'm not sure which combo I like better, the SS and the CJ results so far are very similar, especially when I use the FHG alone it is very similar to the CIAB/CQ combo maybe even a little curlier. I would love to use more natural products so I'm leaning towards the SS but I think I would still keep at least the CQ around for extra hold for certain occasions like humid areas or high wind days....Let me know how it works for you, although have such beautiful hair everything looks good on you! By the way your pics from 2/6/10 with the SS CEJ/FHG look sooo curly and great! I don't think I saw a pic with the CJ products?

I was looking at the SS ingred. like you and Melaniesusan talked about and maybe it's the order they are in or the aloe vera powder? Don't know how diff. that is from the aloe vera juice? I know I don't get frizz with the FHG at all but I do with the CEJ and with plain old FOTE.
Originally Posted by Beebop
Thanks, Beebop!! I tried the CIAB/CQ combo this morning but I've going to have to try it again. I'm always doing something that I know good and well I should not do. I used leave-in which is ok, but then I decided to scrunch as much excess water as possible out before putting in the gels. I was running late and wanted to be able to dry faster. BIG MISTAKE. Plus, I think I used way too much of the gels. It didn't look bad, though, so I think if I do my routine like I normally do, it will be a pretty good combo. Based on today, though, I liked my MD CSC + FHG combo yesterday much, much better. I don't even know why I did my hair again this morning. It looked so soft and pretty right out last night's pineapple. I do this all the time, too - get all excited about trying a new combo instead of leaving well enough alone until it needs to be done.

I usually don't get frizz from the CEJ but like melaniesusan, I use quite a bit plus I always use a leave-in underneath.
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When I use FHG alone I get much stronger spirals. I combine it with the CEJ when i want looser curls and waves. CEJ always loosens my curls, I'm not sure why.
Originally Posted by Mountaincurl
Funny how it does that! I wonder if our hair doesn't react to the salts normally? I actually got frizzy from Jessicurl products.

Your hair is so pretty by the way! You look like you have a stronger curl pattern than me, but I guess our hair reacts the same to SS, glad to hear it's not only me! By the way I like your hair style...do you have a lot of layers?
Originally Posted by Beebop
Aw, thank you! I do have quite a few layers, some long and some short. I look terrible with one-length hair. I get super triangly.

And yeah, Jessicurl products didn't work for me. I don't think i have a mag sulfate sensitivity, but I might have one to the dead sea salts because I've been unable to use it without the FHG.
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...I was looking at the SS ingred. like you and Melaniesusan talked about and maybe it's the order they are in or the aloe vera powder? Don't know how diff. that is from the aloe vera juice? I know I don't get frizz with the FHG at all but I do with the CEJ and with plain old FOTE.
Originally Posted by Beebop
I wouldn't say that CEJ gives me frizz. However, because it has less hold than FHG, it leaves my natural flyaways untamed. The only products that really give me frizz are those with high-glycerin content when used in low dews, and combos that are too heavy resulting in over-conditioning.

When I use CEJ on top of a curl cream, with no additional gel on top for hold, I always finish with some sort of leave-in or butter product to tame the remaining flyways. In high dews, I also add a little bit of an anti-frizz serum like CIAB, Curls Gel-les'C, or Curls Quencher.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
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Gibber-Let me know how the UFD curly magic works for you...mine is drying in my hair right now. Also I just recently started plopping off and on and I think it seems to help my "curls find their families" or "clump" together better than if I plop first then apply, but then I've tried plop first, apply and then scrunch and plop again and it seems to be fine too, I may give it a go without plopping after and see what happens...I always wonder if I'm wasting so much product thats soaking into the towel. For some reason the MD miracurls didn't work for me, I think I tried it twice, loved the smell like I love the smell of KCCC but neither one works for me, too much of a learning curve. I'd say if your happy with the MD CSC & FHG stick with it because those are all natural and your not putting nasty chemicals on your head! by the way, how do you pineapple without getting a dent in your hair from the material covered scrunchie? My hair gets a big dent and looks crazy!

Mountaincurl-I'm going to try more CEJ next time and see if that works better, didn't seem like a lot came out of my pump, since Melaniesusan & Msgiblet say they use a lot. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the dreaded triangle head or Bozo the clown hair which I call it.

Melaniesusan-since I don't have a curl cream I'm crazy about so far I don't think I have something that would work with the CEJ alone...I looked at the ingredients of the MD CSC and it reminds me of all the butters in my JC N&S which I have to use sparingly because it makes my hair oily and stringy, doesn't sound like you all have this problem with the MD CSC though but my hair gets weighed down so easy and didn't do well with the CCCC lt. that maybe they are too heavy and rich for my fine hair? I agree with you about the CEJ, it just doesn't tame my natural fly aways, so I'll try more and then the FHG. I think I'll stick with the jelly type curl enhancers since they seem to work better for me (CEJ & CIAB)
Not sure what is the curl enhancer in the CIAB, I was just going to look all of them up and see, but for some reason it works. It seems to be made up of mostly preservatives & holding ingredients
Curly in AZ-2c-3a/Cherub/fine-med. texture/high porosity/normal elasticity/highlighted
Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.

Last edited by Beebop; 04-19-2011 at 01:31 PM.
Gibber-Let me know how the UFD curly magic works for you...mine is drying in my hair right now. Also I just recently started plopping off and on and I think it seems to help my "curls find their families" or "clump" together better than if I plop first then apply, but then I've tried plop first, apply and then scrunch and plop again and it seems to be fine too, I may give it a go without plopping after and see what happens...I always wonder if I'm wasting so much product thats soaking into the towel. For some reason the MD miracurls didn't work for me, I think I tried it twice, loved the smell like I love the smell of KCCC but neither one works for me, too much of a learning curve. I'd say if your happy with the MD CSC & FHG stick with it because those are all natural and your not putting nasty chemicals on your head! by the way, how do you pineapple without getting a dent in your hair from the material covered scrunchie? My hair gets a big dent and looks crazy!

I looked at the ingredients of the MD CSC and it reminds me of all the butters in my JC N&S which I have to use sparingly because it makes my hair oily and stringy, doesn't sound like you all have this problem with the MD CSC though but my hair gets weighed down so easy and didn't do well with the CCCC lt. that maybe they are too heavy and rich for my fine hair?
Originally Posted by Beebop
Let us know how the UFD curly magic worked out for you after it dries. I'll let you know how it works when I get around to trying it. I normally always put my products into soaking wet hair and then immediately plop. I've tried plopping first and then applying gels; it just doesn't work for me. Neither does scrunching out all of the excess water with a towel before applying products like I did this morning. I never have done well with scrunching my hair with a towel after applying products, either; my curls don't seem to stay together as well when I do that.

I use very stretchy large fabric scrunchies when I pineapple and I make sure to put it on the very top of my head. I only wrap the scrunchie around my hair a couple of times so it's loose but tight enough to keep my hair up all night. I never get dents.

I never had much luck with the CJ CCCC, either - too heavy for my hair. I usually can't use pomades or anything like the JC N&S, either. I get nice soft hair with the CSC, though, and still get plenty of volume. My hair doesn't feel oily or greasy at all with this. I do always put it in my hair in the shower as soon as I turn the water off, so my hair is soaking, sopping, dripping wet. I also just got some samples of the MD Yogurt Smoothies but haven't tried those yet. From what I remember when looking at the ingredients, I think the Smoothies have more oil in them, so I don't know if they will work as well for me as the CSC. We shall see.
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I sotc after my hair dried and it was nice and soft with soft curls. Not much root curl but still full bodied and not as tight of curls as my other products, but nice over all, just not my favorite. I'll have to re-try the pineapple looser on the very top of my head and see how it works, thanks!
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Wash-Giovanni 3-in1 tropical, Everyday shea vanilla mint, Desert essence italian red grape & coconut
Cond.- Yes to Carrots, Tresemme Nat., Desert essence italian red grape
Leave In- Conditioner pea size
Stylers-Bioterra gel, condition 3-in-1 mousse, AOMM with Shaper hairspray for extra hold.
Today I used FHG over MD Curly Styling Cream and it came out great. Soft bouncy curls and little to no crunch to scrunch out! I like using just CEJ over the MD CSC, too, but I do have stronger curls today with FHG.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
Great suggestion for a combo! I also think I was not using enough of the MD CSC so today I tried to use more. I was concerned about the oils/butters bit I think I was not using enough.


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Originally Posted by xcptnl
How did it come out?

I wasn't using much of the MD CSC at first, either, because of the same concern, but it works great for me when I use more.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
Much better now that I used the proper amount of the MD CSC. And the FHG over is great! I had some crunch but that is fine with and my hair seems to hat crunch when others do not. Nice volume and curls-even some up near the top which always make me happy. Thanks for sharing this. I did not use a leave in and I used a light rinse out too.


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One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~

Great suggestion for a combo! I also think I was not using enough of the MD CSC so today I tried to use more. I was concerned about the oils/butters bit I think I was not using enough.


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Originally Posted by xcptnl
How did it come out?

I wasn't using much of the MD CSC at first, either, because of the same concern, but it works great for me when I use more.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
Much better now that I used the proper amount of the MD CSC. And the FHG over is great! I had some crunch but that is fine with and my hair seems to hat crunch when others do not. Nice volume and curls-even some up near the top which always make me happy. Thanks for sharing this. I did not use a leave in and I used a light rinse out too.


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Originally Posted by xcptnl
Glad it worked so well for you! Have you tried the MD Peaches Soft Curl Cream? I should have some of that waiting for me when I get home. At least tracking said it was delivered today.
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If I'm Going To Have A Bad Hair Day, It Might As Well Be In Aruba!


How did it come out?

I wasn't using much of the MD CSC at first, either, because of the same concern, but it works great for me when I use more.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
Much better now that I used the proper amount of the MD CSC. And the FHG over is great! I had some crunch but that is fine with and my hair seems to hat crunch when others do not. Nice volume and curls-even some up near the top which always make me happy. Thanks for sharing this. I did not use a leave in and I used a light rinse out too.


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Originally Posted by xcptnl
Glad it worked so well for you! Have you tried the MD Peaches Soft Curl Cream? I should have some of that waiting for me when I get home. At least tracking said it was delivered today.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
I only have one other MD product-the red clover leave in. I have not found that to be wonderful for me but I will continue to try it out. Maybe I was not using enough

I have found that some of my conditioners I was using were too rich for me along with my styling products being moisturizing. I just picked up some samples sizes of lighter conditioners or 'detanglers'. Today I used Paul Mitchell The Rinse. I really liked it. I need to be more aware that CJ conditioners are very moisturizing and along with moisturizing stylers my hair was getting sooo overconditioned and I never recognize the issue for about a week. I also picked up Paul Mitchell The Detangler. I like that I can try these products because Ulta always carry the travel sizes.

I am hoping that the Donna Marie Miracurl Curling gelly I picked up in the fall will work this spring/summer-too much glycerin for low dews here in fall/winter.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
I only have one other MD product-the red clover leave in. I have not found that to be wonderful for me but I will continue to try it out. Maybe I was not using enough.
Originally Posted by xcptnl
xcptnl, Have you tried the MD red clover leave-in under SS CEJ + SS FHG? That's one of my favorite combos for spring. I dip three or four fingers in the jar of MD about three times, if that gives you any sense of amount. Also, I like using the MD leave-in to SOTC in low dews (the CSC can be a bit heavy on dry hair in colder weather).
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
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