Fought the good fight but done with sulfate-free shampoos, best salon brand shampoos?

If you want know my hair situation, read below, if you just know of some good shampoos, with sulfates available at Ulta please post them. Tonight I washed with a sulfate free shampoo and I couldn't get the tangles out at all. My mom had to cut a chunk of my hair out. Every one I've ever used has made my hair feel like straw, and made it completely mat, but tonight was the worst ever. Without silicone in my conditioner I just can't do it.

Partially it was my fault because I wanted to see if the shampoo was "as good as it was supposed to be" so I rinsed with a little conditioner before washing, but didn't fully detangle.

I only plan to use the shampoo once or so a week, and cowash the other days. Mainly to make sure I am getting out any KCCC and curl cream (if I end up using my Donna Marie curl cream.)

____________________ Hair Situation______________________________

So I'm attempting to transition (last relaxer in Sept., as long as I can get a comb through my hair to wash and go I'm giving it a chance, the minute I can't get a comb past the new growth I'll be forced to relax). Mostly I will just be cowashing (probably with Knot Today, but right now I have some Donna Marie condish) every other day, or every two days, and using the condish to style. I may sometimes use KCCC, Donna Marie Cream (almost afraid to use it after the nightmare with her shampoo tonight), maybe my Donna Marie Moisture Mist. So I am not confident that the conditioners I mentioned will remove those products. I am not interested in cowashing with Suave or VO5 because I have a problem with the lining of my nose and cannot take very harsh synthetic scents.
If you want know my hair situation, read below, if you just know of some good shampoos, with sulfates available at Ulta please post them. Tonight I washed with a sulfate free shampoo and I couldn't get the tangles out at all. My mom had to cut a chunk of my hair out. Every one I've ever used has made my hair feel like straw, and made it completely mat, but tonight was the worst ever. Without silicone in my conditioner I just can't do it.

Partially it was my fault because I wanted to see if the shampoo was "as good as it was supposed to be" so I rinsed with a little conditioner before washing, but didn't fully detangle.

I only plan to use the shampoo once or so a week, and cowash the other days. Mainly to make sure I am getting out any KCCC and curl cream (if I end up using my Donna Marie curl cream.)

____________________ Hair Situation______________________________

So I'm attempting to transition (last relaxer in Sept., as long as I can get a comb through my hair to wash and go I'm giving it a chance, the minute I can't get a comb past the new growth I'll be forced to relax). Mostly I will just be cowashing (probably with Knot Today, but right now I have some Donna Marie condish) every other day, or every two days, and using the condish to style. I may sometimes use KCCC, Donna Marie Cream (almost afraid to use it after the nightmare with her shampoo tonight), maybe my Donna Marie Moisture Mist. So I am not confident that the conditioners I mentioned will remove those products. I am not interested in cowashing with Suave or VO5 because I have a problem with the lining of my nose and cannot take very harsh synthetic scents.
Originally Posted by lesliegonnacurl
The best low shampoos I've found at Ulta were Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, Redken Extreme Shampoo, & Pureology's Essential Repair Shampoo.
as of 6/12/11.

COwash- Suave Juicy Apple.
Rinse-out- VO5 Passion Fruit Moisture Milks.

Recovering from a bad glue-in extension job.
Have you tried Loreal's new Eversleek Shampoo? It's sulfate free & I heard it's really good.
as of 6/12/11.

COwash- Suave Juicy Apple.
Rinse-out- VO5 Passion Fruit Moisture Milks.

Recovering from a bad glue-in extension job.
I will look into those at Ulta. Thanks!

Sorry but I am officially done with sulfate free for now. I can't continue to cut chunks out of my hair.
I will look into those at Ulta. Thanks!

Sorry but I am officially done with sulfate free for now. I can't continue to cut chunks out of my hair.
Originally Posted by lesliegonnacurl
What do you think made it tangle all up? I wanted to try that LES but Idk now after reading your post...
as of 6/12/11.

COwash- Suave Juicy Apple.
Rinse-out- VO5 Passion Fruit Moisture Milks.

Recovering from a bad glue-in extension job.
My hair tangles in general after a washing, and now it is not combed between washings because I wear it curly (have a relaxer but it still curls) instead of straight, so it does not see a comb between washings. I should have washed Friday night or Sat morning, but I was lazy, was not doing much this weekend, and did not wash until tonight. I did not detangle before washing, but in general, my hair has hated all the the sulfate free shampoos it has tried. I am just done for now.

I'm afraid to even use styling products because I may even have to just try nothing but conditioner washing.
Have you tried CJ Daily Fix? It's a cleansing conditioner but it really gets my hair clean; works much better for me than co-washing with a regular conditioner. I was having to use a sulfate-free poo a couple of times a week but since I've been using the Daily Fix, I've used the sulfate-free poo at the most once a week and could probably go longer than that. If you're adamant about using a sulfate poo, Nexxus Therappe Moisturizing shampoo used to work well for me; always felt pretty gentle for a sulfate shampoo.
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Last edited by Ruslan1; 03-29-2011 at 10:40 AM.
What other low-poos have you tried? I have oily hair, and I use Organix Nourishing Coconut. I love it--it has a silicone that is removed by the coco-betaine in the low-poo, but I NEVER get tangles with it.

If you have had the same results with all low-poos, I would probably also recommend the Redken shampoos. My mother-in-law and sis-in-law use the Redken products, and they are HUGE fans.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Victoria's Secret carries a line of shampoos and conditioners that aren't quite as harsh. I occasionally use one of the VS shampoos when I need to clarify, and I like it a lot.

Someone on the boards did a test where she diluted a sulfate shampoo and used it in her hair, and it was no more damaging than a low-poo when diluted. If you get better results with sulfates, I think it would be just fine if you diluted it a little with water.

Another thought: does your low-poo lather? If so, it's probably too harsh (some low-poos are genuinely harsher than regular shampoos). I have found that less lather=less frizz and tangles. The low-poo I recommended (which is also in my siggy) lathers just a little, and it isn't too drying.

I hope you find something that works for you! I won't judge you for moving to a sulfate wash--I've been halfway considering doing the same. I'm holding out hope, though--I just got my first Deva Cut, and I'm trying to see what happens with my shorter hair and same haircare products. PS: Tried the Deva products--not a fan.
2b/cFi, low density, normal porosity, high elasticity

Low-poo
: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Tingle
Conditioner
: Suave Naturals (whatever scent I have on hand)
Styling
: Paul Mitchell Round Trip, Tresemme Climate Control Finishing Spray

I'm a hair minimalist: the less time I spend on my hair, the better.

I'm so confused. You're moving to sulfate shampoo because you can't detangle with your silicone-free conditioner? Why not change the conditioner? Some silicone-free conditioners have more slip than others.

Also, tangling is going to be a major issue throughout your transition no matter what you use. I really inclined to suggest you review your techniques along with your products.
Common washing techniques to minimize tangles:
Wash hair in loose braids (if you have the length of course)
Condition length of hair before applying shampoo to roots

There's a whole other list of detangling techniques if that's also an issue. What is your detangling process?
layer cake of tight, spongy and silky/thready S strands that kink more than they coil
spiced with a few spiral coils and non-curling waves
mostly medium and fine with a sprinkle of coarse strands
protein is yummy
i know exactly what you are talking about-the straw feeling from many non-sulfate poos. I don't know what causes it....(maybe like others on here have said, it can be harsher than a sulfate) but i have recently found 2 condishes (rinse out) from my grocery store that work better than many of the expensive brands i have been ordering online(not to say i have tried them all). Try Burt's Bees 2 minute repair with shea and grapefruit, or Garnier Fructis fortifying condish with olive, shea, and avocado. These both made it so that if i put them in after a straw-effect poo, after a few seconds it is like my tangles just slip right out when i finger comb. Its funny because i always used to hate Garnier, but suddenly i like it...and i am having trouble co-washing because my hair weighs down, so this combo has worked well.

Or, there is always Back to Basics Coconut Mango at Ulta, or Joico for color treated hair-awesome even if hair is not color treated.
Hair type: 3a, fine, porous (too much hair dye on lengths), hennaed
Products i love so far: devacare low-poo, gftn, yes to tomatoes, yes to carrots, burt's bees shea and grapefruit DT, oc, millcreek botanicals biotin conditioner aveda be curly style prep and curl enhancer, cjdf, ciab, bb fsg, bb styling mud, angel, cccclite
It look me a LONG time to find a shampoo, even before going CG, that wouldnt turn my hair to straw. Sodium Olefin Sulfonateis an ingredient that I can NOT deal with. I also found many low-poos to have too much protein, which turns me to straw. The BEST shampoo Ive ever tried, CG or not, has been MOP C Hydrating. No protein, and no Sodium Olefin Sulfonate. I get a little lather, not much, but it cleans so well and Im not stripped dry when I rinse. If I ever abandon my modified CG routine, I will still buy and use MOP C Hydrating.
- 2C - Coarse Canopy & med/fine underlayers
- MOP C Hydrating 'poo
- LOreal Natures Therapy Moisturizing condish, ION Effective Care, Garnier S&S (old formula)
- treatments: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Repair Me!
- plopping, diffusing, and clipping the roots
i know exactly what you are talking about-the straw feeling from many non-sulfate poos. I don't know what causes it....(maybe like others on here have said, it can be harsher than a sulfate) but i have recently found 2 condishes (rinse out) from my grocery store that work better than many of the expensive brands i have been ordering online(not to say i have tried them all). Try Burt's Bees 2 minute repair with shea and grapefruit, or Garnier Fructis fortifying condish with olive, shea, and avocado. These both made it so that if i put them in after a straw-effect poo, after a few seconds it is like my tangles just slip right out when i finger comb. Its funny because i always used to hate Garnier, but suddenly i like it...and i am having trouble co-washing because my hair weighs down, so this combo has worked well.

Or, there is always Back to Basics Coconut Mango at Ulta, or Joico for color treated hair-awesome even if hair is not color treated.
Originally Posted by jenimkat
I always think about trying Garnier, but everytime I go to the store and I see how high fragrance is on the list of ingredients I get turned off. I have an issue with the lining of my nose and can't handle harsh smells.

Thank you for the shampoos I am compiling a list before I go to Ulta on Fri (gonna have a consultation with the stylist that cuts my hair)
I'm so confused. You're moving to sulfate shampoo because you can't detangle with your silicone-free conditioner? Why not change the conditioner? Some silicone-free conditioners have more slip than others.

Also, tangling is going to be a major issue throughout your transition no matter what you use. I really inclined to suggest you review your techniques along with your products.
Common washing techniques to minimize tangles:
Wash hair in loose braids (if you have the length of course)
Condition length of hair before applying shampoo to roots

There's a whole other list of detangling techniques if that's also an issue. What is your detangling process?
Originally Posted by CoilyOne1812

I know it seems easier to change the condish than the shampoo, but I'm pretty happy with Knot Today except I wish it was richer (I can buy it on the ground, tolerate the smell, it doesn't break me out) I have a bottle of Donna Marie conditioner now that I'm experimenting with.

Basically, sulfate free shampoos (all the ones I've tried) turn my hair into absolute straw, which I have a hard time detangling without silicones, so I'd rather just change my shampoo. I never had so many problems with regular sulfate shampoos, but I wanted to jump on the "sulfate free" and "cleansing cream" bandwagons. Still good concepts, but nothing I am totally happy with yet.

Last night was somewhat my fault, because I knew I should have detangled before shampooing, but I was stubbron and so hyped up to use this new shampoo that was supposed to be "so good", so I didn't :/

Basically my detangling technique is wide tooth comb, in the shower, wet with conditioner. After I get out I can run a comb or my fingers through to distribute product, but once I am dry, no more combing takes place. I've come to the conclusion that I'm probably going to have to conditioner rinse once a day if I'm really going to try to grow out this relaxer so the bottom part doesn't as tangly and matted. Before I use actual shampoo, I better detangle every time from now on.

For shampooing, I try to get in at the roots, and not pile the hair around my head, but yesterday's shampoo was just brutal!

Thanks for the tips
It look me a LONG time to find a shampoo, even before going CG, that wouldnt turn my hair to straw. Sodium Olefin Sulfonateis an ingredient that I can NOT deal with. I also found many low-poos to have too much protein, which turns me to straw. The BEST shampoo Ive ever tried, CG or not, has been MOP C Hydrating. No protein, and no Sodium Olefin Sulfonate. I get a little lather, not much, but it cleans so well and Im not stripped dry when I rinse. If I ever abandon my modified CG routine, I will still buy and use MOP C Hydrating.
Originally Posted by Lucky Charm
Thanks for the tip I'm saving the list of shampoos!
Did you use Donna Marie Super Latherlicious Moisturizing Shampoo? That has Sodium Olefin Sulfonate which I think is a really harsh cleanser. That may be the culprit. I would look for a cleanser that has gentler ingredients.

This page has a list of harsh and gentle sulfates:

Which Sulfates are Safer Than the Others? | NaturallyCurly.com

The Alba poos have gentle sulfates and I've had success with the Alba Gentle Shampoo. SegB has had a lot of success with Alba Daily Shampoo.

As for regular poos, I think Redken Fresh Curls is pretty good. It does have sodium laureth sulfate in it.
Originally Posted by Fairewood
I used the Donna Marie, and it was HORRIBLE! It was more horrible (at least that I can remember) than Kinky Curly Come Clean. Before I bought the Donna Marie should have checked to see if any ingredients were similar to Come Clean.

A while back I used an Alba poo, but it was one of the Hawaiian line. I like it but I was tangled and matted. Next time I'm at Whole Foods I'll look at their other line.

I think my stylist has washed me with Fresh Curls before. At this point, I don't care about Sodium Laureth, Lauryl, or Ammonium L/L, I just want not to be straw!

Thanks for the tips
What other low-poos have you tried? I have oily hair, and I use Organix Nourishing Coconut. I love it--it has a silicone that is removed by the coco-betaine in the low-poo, but I NEVER get tangles with it.

If you have had the same results with all low-poos, I would probably also recommend the Redken shampoos. My mother-in-law and sis-in-law use the Redken products, and they are HUGE fans.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Victoria's Secret carries a line of shampoos and conditioners that aren't quite as harsh. I occasionally use one of the VS shampoos when I need to clarify, and I like it a lot.

Someone on the boards did a test where she diluted a sulfate shampoo and used it in her hair, and it was no more damaging than a low-poo when diluted. If you get better results with sulfates, I think it would be just fine if you diluted it a little with water.

Another thought: does your low-poo lather? If so, it's probably too harsh (some low-poos are genuinely harsher than regular shampoos). I have found that less lather=less frizz and tangles. The low-poo I recommended (which is also in my siggy) lathers just a little, and it isn't too drying.

I hope you find something that works for you! I won't judge you for moving to a sulfate wash--I've been halfway considering doing the same. I'm holding out hope, though--I just got my first Deva Cut, and I'm trying to see what happens with my shorter hair and same haircare products. PS: Tried the Deva products--not a fan.
Originally Posted by porque_pig
I think the only low poos that I've tried are Hair Rules, Kinky Curly Come Clean, and Donna Marie.

If I'm not mistaken, I looked at Organix before at Walmart, and unfortunately, what turns me off with the drugstore brands is how high fragrance is in the product ingredients. (I have a problem with the lining of my nose and can't take harsh fragrances) I would definitely say the Donna Marie lathered. I was tempted to try the Curl Junkie Shampoo but at this point I just wanna stay away from low poos altogether.

Good idea to use a little shampoo and dilute with water.

I've used Redken in the past, and my stylist uses it when I get a cut, will definitely keep it in mind.

Thanks for the tips
Have you tried CJ Daily Fix? It's a cleansing conditioner but it really gets my hair clean; works much better for me than co-washing with a regular conditioner. I was having to use a sulfate-free poo a couple of times a week but since I've been using the Daily Fix, I've used the sulfate-free poo at the most once a week and could probably go longer than that. If you're adamant about using a sulfate poo, Nexxus Therappe Moisturizing shampoo used to work well for me; always felt pretty gentle for a sulfate shampoo.
Originally Posted by msgiblet


I've tried Daily Fix for months now, but even that I feel like tangles me :/ I still have a lot left though, and it MAY be useable since I'll know be detangling everytime before a washing (an actual cleansing, not when I do my conditioner rinses)

Back when I used Therappe, and I loved it! I felt it was pretty smooth, but I swear it seems like the formula changed once Nexxus came to drugstores Maybe it hasn't though?

Thanks for the suggestions
Have you tried a shampoo bar or castile soap yet?
Sort of CG sometimes, but not really
2B, medium? normal porosity and elasticity?

Cleansers -
Suave Clarifying, Philosophy Happy Birthday Beautiful

Stylers - BRHG, re:coil, Ion Hairspray

I live in the NYC area.


Have you tried a shampoo bar or castile soap yet?
Originally Posted by Cheetara
I tried a shampoo bar almost two years ago and it left a HORRIBLE film on my hair, I had to use a clarifying shampoo to get it out Not really wanting to use the recommended vinegar rinses since my hair is not all natural yet. Also wanted to try Aubrey Shampoos cause I heard that they are castile based, but someone said that they are horrible on relaxed hair.

Once my hair is completely natural (if I can see this transition through it will take a while to have a full head of long natural hair) I may give them a chance.

Right now, I want to use reg shampoo cause I have used it in the past, and I can't handle any more experiments that might cause me to have to cut out chunks of my hair. That was devastating. I don't think the public notices it, but I do, and it may affect my next haircut.
Mostly relaxed, yet still curly hair, which I am going to try to grow out with daily conditioner rinses and a shampoo once or twice a week.

Officially Transitioning since March 2011.
Last Relaxer September 2010

Got some kind of curly bangs going here! And I think my bangs are all natural!

I think that my natural hair is somewhere between a 3b and a 3c, I hope it's not too soon to tell!

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