Turning waves into curls... Can it be done?!

Hi! I just started CG like 2 weeks ago hoping to turn my dull, lifeless hair into curls. My hair clumped like curls, had dents like curls but NO spring factor!

Lately on CG my hair is getting a little curlier



BTW: I ran out of DevaCurl trials haha worst day of my life. But now I'm using Garnier Fructis TN conditioner, and whats left of AnGel and Set me Free, but mostly LA Looks Sport Gel. I plunk (plop?) for like 8 min then let it air dry or diffuse on low.


Are there any ways I can get it curlier? Any products, or techniques? Or should I keep up what I'm doing?

Also if any of you have had your waves become curls, please share! Thanks a million!
Someone help me make my hair look like Merida from Brave that's all I want.
You may want to try the home-made flax seed gel, with mag. sulfate (epsom salt) added. The flax seed gel really seemed to make my hair curlier, and the epsom salt adds even more curl enhancement. Plus, it's fun to make and experiment with.
Sue

Axed the perpetual ponytail and went curly on 1/6/2011.
Hair Properties: 3a/b, fine-medium texture, thick density, normal porosity.
Location: FL
Still experimenting with
products and routine.
So far, I like: FSG, GTTTT, V05 Conditioners, protein treatments, this towel.

"Well, as soon as we get ourselves cleaned up and we get a little smellum in our hair, why, we're gonna feel 100% better about ourselves and about life in general." - Ulysses Everett McGill
I don't know about getting it to BE curlier, it will grow in like whatever it is, but I do definitely think yours would LOOK curlier with more layers! Deva cut would probably work great for you since your hair is clumping up like that already - but with any layered haircut there are more ends at different levels, so more spiraling and they hang separately, you know?

I actually really like the way yours looks now, too though.

And if it really just is curly but hasn't been showing it because you were stretching it out, then yes maybe it will start to spring back or grow in curlier than you thought it was.
2c / C / iii (FIA)
Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

Shoulder-Length now.

Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
Style: ReCoil & DevaCare Arc Angel (budget choices are HESMU or Got2BSpikedUp)

Henna!
It looks to me like your hair definitely has potential to curl more, but getting it into the best condition possible and getting a haircut to optimize the shape will be the only way to know for sure. Things you can do to help:

* Stick with CG! Lots of us go through a transition period, and some are longer than others. I don't think it's uncommon to have great results at first, then suddenly go through a period where your hair seems like a mess for some time. Your hair and scalp need to adjust, and this could take months. Be patient!

* If you don't already know them, learn your properties, ASAP. You need to know your hair's texture (fine, medium, coarse), porosity (low, medium, high), and elasticity (low, normal). There are threads in the newbies section and in the links stickies on this board that will help. The resource that I started with, after reading up here for several weeks, was Tiffany Anderson's e-book at her website: Live Curly Live Free - Home It is a veritable gold mine of information, and will get you started in the right direction. If you still can't figure out your properties (and some of us can't - I couldn't!!), the LCLF website also offers a service where you can send in hair samples and have them analyze your hair for you. For a small additional cost, you can have them recommend products for you based on your properties. For curlies who want to get their hair looking good as quickly as possible and with as little wasted cash as possible, the hair analysis and product recommendations are a must. It's only $20, and it's the best $20 I spent on my hair, hands down.

* Once you know your properties, look at posters' signatures to find people with hair similar to yours, and look to see what products and techniques they're using. That will give you more ideas as to what to experiment with.

* Depending on where you live and if you can afford it in your area, get a curly haircut. Curly hair should be cut dry, so that the stylist can see your curl and wave pattern and cut accordingly. There are a couple of different methods for this, namely the Deva and Ouidad methods. I just got my first Deva cut after being CG for 6 months, and it has made a world of difference. My hair was better before the cut, but now I have curls in places I didn't know I could have them. It was well worth the cost, and I really, REALLY wish I had done it sooner.

* Stick with nc.com! Read as much as possible, be obsessive about it if you can afford the time. Knowledge is power!

Congratulations on starting CG, and good luck!
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

One's hair has a certain amount of curl potential. To bring it out, you need to have a good cut and use the right products and techniques.

I totally agree with Robin-in-FL. The first thing you want to do is get a "curly" cut--the right layering in your hair. I, personally, get a wet cut, but there are those who swear by the Deva dry cuts. Most importantly--you need to get the layers. The weight of your hair drags the curls out.

I started out as a winter wavy, summer 3a. After learning on nc.com to use products and how to "handle" my hair, it looks like my signature picture all year around.

After you get the layers, the first thing you should do is determine your hair's texture and porosity. Here's a thread to help: Texture, Porosity, and other Hair Type Madness (stylist should also help you with your hair properties) Once you know your hair properties, it will help you determine where you need to start. It's mostly achieving the right balance between protein and moisture.
Look for folks with hair like yours and see what they use (most of us have it in our signatures) and follow what they say they do.

My hair prefers the more natural products. Many of us start out with the Deva products. They really didn't do much for me. I moved on to Jessicurl (which made my hair limp and lifeless in a week.) After that, I started to use Curl Junkie (still use it to this day) and some of the more natural, online, "boutique" type products.

I cowashed for six months, which was nothing special for me. Then started to use the natural soap bars when they were the "rage." Two and a half years later, I'm still using them. (at this point, there's controversy about them--but I still love them.) I try to use CJ Daily Fix every two weeks for it's chelating properties.

HTH
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Swell, you have gorgeous hair! So pretty.

There is this awesome tool that I found at Sally's, but you can also buy it thru Amazon. It's the Curl Easy Pro Brush- comes in 3 sizes (I have the medium). Basically it's a tool that you grab your clumps with and spin it to make spirals. It doesn't grab, break or damage your hair at all, and it doesn't use heat.

This is how I use it- it's esp. good for second day hair. I use it on damp hair that has styling product in it. Today, I spritzed my hair with water to revive it and then added some Biotera curl cream. Then, I used this tool to refresh my curls and make spirals.

Take a section of hair, place it thru the spokes on the brush, slide thru to the end of your hair and then spin up toward the root to make a spiral on the tool. Gently slide hair off and you will have a really nice spiral curl. I found that if I use a tiny bit of curl cream to smooth the section first, it really helps to hold the curl.

I just used this technique on my second day hair (2c-3a) today, which was pineappled last night, and I have a full head of loose spirals. I HTH.
Thank you thank you thank you!!

For all this great information! You guys are amazing. After reading up on texture, porosity and hair type I think I'm:
-Low Porosity on top layer (where it's the straightest & most stubborn to make curly, mostly hangs limp)
-Medium Porosity on the rest (Once I got a perm, yikes, and it only worked on the bottom)
-Fine texture on the top layer
-Medium texture everywhere else
-Low elasticity (When I stretch my hair and let go it just stays where I stretched it, no springing back up. Lately this has gotten a little better but still not bouncy or springy)
-Thick hair (I have A LOT of hair... haha)

I hope this helps me, and helps you help me! Thanks again guys!
Someone help me make my hair look like Merida from Brave that's all I want.
Swell, you have gorgeous hair! So pretty.

There is this awesome tool that I found at Sally's, but you can also buy it thru Amazon. It's the Curl Easy Pro Brush- comes in 3 sizes (I have the medium). Basically it's a tool that you grab your clumps with and spin it to make spirals. It doesn't grab, break or damage your hair at all, and it doesn't use heat.

This is how I use it- it's esp. good for second day hair. I use it on damp hair that has styling product in it. Today, I spritzed my hair with water to revive it and then added some Biotera curl cream. Then, I used this tool to refresh my curls and make spirals.

Take a section of hair, place it thru the spokes on the brush, slide thru to the end of your hair and then spin up toward the root to make a spiral on the tool. Gently slide hair off and you will have a really nice spiral curl. I found that if I use a tiny bit of curl cream to smooth the section first, it really helps to hold the curl.

I just used this technique on my second day hair (2c-3a) today, which was pineappled last night, and I have a full head of loose spirals. I HTH.
Originally Posted by CurlyTennisGirl
That sounds perfect, I need to go buy it this week!! I always finger curl my hair to get spirals, but it doesn't seem to work on the second day.
2b-f/m-ii
Porosity: ??
Elasticity: Normal

It's not easy being a fine-haired wavy in tropical conditions~
Suggest products with anti-humectants? <3
Thank you thank you thank you!!

For all this great information! You guys are amazing. After reading up on texture, porosity and hair type I think I'm:
-Low Porosity on top layer (where it's the straightest & most stubborn to make curly, mostly hangs limp)
-Medium Porosity on the rest (Once I got a perm, yikes, and it only worked on the bottom)
-Fine texture on the top layer
-Medium texture everywhere else
-Low elasticity (When I stretch my hair and let go it just stays where I stretched it, no springing back up. Lately this has gotten a little better but still not bouncy or springy)
-Thick hair (I have A LOT of hair... haha)

I hope this helps me, and helps you help me! Thanks again guys!
Originally Posted by swell28
Low elasticity means that your hair just snaps with little to no stretching. You most likely have normal/high elasticity, depending on how far you can stretch your hair before it breaks. I believe 30-50% "stretchage" is normal, and anything above is high elasticity. If you have high elasticity, I think it means you need more protein (but don't quote me on that one -- I'm still a little lost with what elasticity means myself!).

HTH!
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
Cut really can make a big difference. But, going CG has made a difference in my curl, too. When I started out (last fall), I had a LOT of waves and almost no root curl. My curls will now corkscrew and I get root curl that I never really had. Here... let me show you (all images are clickable):
- about 2 weeks into my CG journey (early October 2010) - more wave than curl.
- Saturday, 3/5/11

- AUGUST 13, 2010 (PRE-CG) - NO ROOT CURL AT ALL
- Yesterday 3/9/11 - my hair looks shorter. But, it really isn't. It's just because I have more curl than I did back in August.

So, it does depend on a cut - a layered cut tends to curl better than a blunt cut. But, going CG CAN help your hair curl more if your hair is already predisposed to do so. And I really does help to know your hair properties, too. My hair took a huge turn for the better once I knew my true properties. I was wrong about 2 of them even though I did some of the home-testing that's detailed here on NC.com. Knowing my properties helped me choose the correct products for my hair type, further helping my curls do their thing. SO... yeah. The responses above mine are really good. I just wanted to add photos to show you the difference.
Janet ~ Northern NJ
Properties: Dense, Fine, Low Porosity, Low Elasticity
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What I used in this photo:
Cleansing: Suave Tropical Coconut Condish
Conditioner: CJ Smoothing Condish
Styling: CJCQ

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