Even more OC'd after PT??

Lately, my hair has been pretty greasy, flat, and just icky. I'm pretty sure I was overconditioned because I was using a protein-free conditioner that was way too heavy for my fine hair.

I had read a post about someone fixing her droopy hair problem using mayo, eggs, and olive oil. So I did that last night, and I didn't use conditioner afterwards, because my hair felt nice. Then I just added gel and air-dried.

Today, my hair is so weird!! It's so greasy it looks WET. You would expect to feel it all hard if you touched it, as if there were crunch, but it's dry and really soft.

I thought the mayo and eggs was a PT, but maybe it wasn't? Did I worsen the problem? TIA.
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Something doesn't sound right here - greasy and flat doesn't sound overconditioned - I've read that OC'd hair is flyaway and very soft and mushy feeling. Greasy and flat sounds like a build-up problem. I don't know anything about TJ Refresh, but are you positive it doesn't have any 'cones in it? Maybe someone else can chime in.
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I'm pretty sure it doesn't have any; I think it even has a sulfate. But it could be a buildup problem? Would a proper PT get rid of that? I was thinking of doing IAGirl's gelatin PT, but I'm not sure if that's what my hair wants right now.
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Honestly, I have no idea. Sorry! My hair is medium-coarse, so I don't really understand the ins and outs of fine hair and overconditioning. The possible silicone was the only thing I could think of, but that can't be it since there aren't any in your shampoo. I'm hoping someone else can jump in here and help you out!

How's your hair today?

(Oh, also - mayo and eggs is a PT, but I have read varying opinions on whether it's effective. I have also read people raving over IA Girl's gelatin PT, so it's worth a shot if you don't get any other replies. As far as I know, a PT itself won't get rid of build-up, if that's in fact what you have - you'd need to clarify with a good 'poo or baking soda co-wash followed by an ACV rinse. It's so frustrating not to be able to help - I can imagine how much more frustrated you are. Good luck!!)
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Last edited by Rustina; 03-29-2011 at 05:21 AM.
Eggs, mayo and olive oil are hypothetically not proteins small enough to bond to the hair. But you never know. Hydrolyzed proteins are far more beneficial if you want a big protein punch. Eggs have other things that might be good for hair.
Did you shampoo this mixture out of your hair? We fine-haired people can't run around with a lot of oil on our hair.
Try shampooing it out or if you're totally anti-shampoo, use a vinegar rinse (1 tablespoon vinegar of your choice in 1 cup water -- or double this recipe) to cut the grease.

I'm a big fan of the gelatin PT. I tried adding yogurt and making it with chamomile tea the other night and it was extra-fabulous! There is another wavy with porous hair who has made a number of contributions to that PT recipe, you might check out her additions. (PT recipe - as promised somewhere on page 2, I think).

Some of us fine-haired (and wavy/curly) gals do use lowpoo or use diluted regular shampoo (i.e. one half to one teaspoon in 1 cup of water) to deal with scalp problems, build-up and what-not (dust, pollen, dog and cat dander -- I could go on). Even sulfate shampoos, diluted at this ratio, are not very damaging (unless you're allergic/sensitive to sulfates). You won't get a ton of lather, but there will be enough bubbles to know where the shampoo went.

I've over-oiled before thinking that was good for my hair and ended up with the same greasy look and flat hair. Super easy to fix, so this too shall pass!
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Last edited by IAgirl; 03-29-2011 at 09:33 AM.
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My first mix of egg, olive oil, and mayo left me greasy and smelling of mayo. Now, if I do a food protein / deep treatment, I use 1 -2 eggs, 2 Tbs yogurt, and 1-2 Tbs olive oil or coconut oil (1 Tbs for less greasy). I've also added tamari soy sauce (smelled a little), conditioner, and buttermilk (smelled, but felt great). Sometimes I put a heated rice sock (non-electric heat pad for sore muscles) on top of the shower cap and under a ski hat for a heat treatment. I leave the mix on for at least an hour, then cowash and condition as needed, then rinse with 1 Tbs ACV per 1 cup filtered water, great results.

AIgirl's gelatin mix sounds good to me too, a much more "serious" protein treatment; have not tried it yet.
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Use a clarifying or stronger type shampoo and get the gunk off.

I have had very soft and clean feeling hair since I started going back to more cleansing cleansers. Lately, I use my Elucence moisture poo more than my CJ Daily Fix and Gentle Cleanser. I just like what it does to my fine hair. The cleaner and softer it feels, the more volume and less "flat" I get.

I keep a bottle of Elucence Clarifying in the closet...that one is for when I feel I have real build up and I've had it more than a year and it's 4/5 full. I use it when needed. But, using good lowpoos (and some just flat out poos) has kept me build-up free.

I say just shampoo it with a good cleansing poo and give it a nice conditioning rinse out and see how it is....

And yeah, I used to do the eggs/mayo/whatever when I was a teen and had no moolah. Now, I just buy me a good set of conditioners, with and without protein, and one good protein tx, and use them as needed. A bottle of protein tx lasts me a good while...but it's worth investing in. No eggy smell and jiggering. I let the pros do it, and paying 20+ bucks for a bottle that'll last me a year is hardly gonna break my bank.
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Last edited by MirCurls; 03-29-2011 at 01:05 PM.
Thank you everyone for all your help!! I agree that I must have buildup, so I will try mixing some of my low-poo with a sulfate shampoo and scrub hard to get rid of it tonight. Afterwards, I will do the gelatin PT, because I've planning to do that for a while now. I will post my results tomorrow, and thanks again!!
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I use a clarifying shampoo once in a while, and it prevents any buildup. I know many here don't use shampoo, but I love Redken Cleansing Cream for this purpose. It's a clarifying shampoo, but not quite as harsh as some others I've tried. Yes, it has sulfates, but I find many sulfate free shampoos leave a build up in my hair.

Another one I like is Neutrogena Anti-Residue Shampoo.

Honestly, if I use just regular shampoo every so often, I have to use the clarifying shampoo even less. I just try to keep in on the scalp and let it run through my hair when rinsing.

HTH!


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Wooo!!! That pt was the best thing I've ever done for my hair. My waves came back to life, and the sulfate poo fixed the greasiness. I wish I had some pictures, but my hair got all messed up by the stupid wind. But the results were fabulous! My hair and I thank everybody for the help
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Hooray for easy fixes! Bummer for no pictures, but we'll take your word for it. Look how much you've learned through this little frustration.
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Go forth and rock those happy waves!
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Hehe, lesson learned!
I attached before and after pics of my hair if anyone is interested in trying this themselves
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