Starting a Henna FAQ

This thread has me wanting to henna!!! But I have dark brunette hair, but it has some copper/red in it when I'm out in the sun. What color would it make my hair? Auburn, or could I leave it on and get it to a brighter red?
Originally Posted by southernfiber
it won't lighten your hair at all from what it is now... it'll only deposit red on top of it. So you'd likely be really red under the sun/direct light where the henna could shine but your overall color isn't going to go like, strawberry blond or a bright auburn on its own.
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This thread has me wanting to henna!!! But I have dark brunette hair, but it has some copper/red in it when I'm out in the sun. What color would it make my hair? Auburn, or could I leave it on and get it to a brighter red?
Originally Posted by southernfiber
it won't lighten your hair at all from what it is now... it'll only deposit red on top of it. So you'd likely be really red under the sun/direct light where the henna could shine but your overall color isn't going to go like, strawberry blond or a bright auburn on its own.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
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Question, when mixing the henna and cassia, do you have do mix them together at the beginning, or is it like when you have to mix the indigo in right before you use it.
Sorry RawrSally, but I'm going to but into your thread. My natural color is similar-ish to RawrSally's (but much ugglier). I was hoping to become a strawberry blonde by either using henna diluted with conditioner or diluted with cassia. But from what I'm reading that will not give me strawberry blonde, but will give me a Ronald McDonald blonde. Is that correct?
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Sorry RawrSally, but I'm going to but into your thread. My natural color is similar-ish to RawrSally's (but much ugglier). I was hoping to become a strawberry blonde by either using henna diluted with conditioner or diluted with cassia. But from what I'm reading that will not give me strawberry blonde, but will give me a Ronald McDonald blonde. Is that correct?
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Maybe if you did 75% cassia, 25% henna and only left it on a short time? Might be worth a strand test to find out.
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Question, when mixing the henna and cassia, do you have do mix them together at the beginning, or is it like when you have to mix the indigo in right before you use it.
Originally Posted by RawrSally
I THINK technically you're supposed to mix the henna, let it sit to dye release... and then put in the cassia right before you use it. Since I never let it sit for much longer than an hour to dye release though, I usually just throw the cassia in with the henna and it's always done ok.

Things like cassia and indigo have a shorter "life span" than henna i think... so while henna will still dye 12-24 hours after it's mixed, the others might lose some of their power in that amount of time so most people just throw it in right before using it.
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Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
You can mix in the cassia at any point - it's really just to increase the volume of your mix and to dilute the intensity of the henna color. Except on the lightest hair, the color from cassia is negligible at best, even after dye release, so it doesn't matter when you add it. I always mixed it in at the beginning so that I only had to quickly mix in the indigo and salt at the end. You don't have to add additional cassia after freezing, as with indigo, since it doesn't really contribute anything to your color anyway - it still dilutes the henna intensity nicely.

However, if you add indigo, it's presumably for red adjustment, so since you want the dye to be active, you add it just before application since it releases quickly and then becomes inactive relatively quickly. For this reason, you DO need to add fresh indigo after freezing if you still want its color adjustment.

Should you ever want to apply cassia just for its strengthening/thickening properties, you can just mix it up and apply it right away since there's no need for dye release. You also don't need any acid for this - it's only needed for dye release. I leave cassia on 3-4 hours to overnight, conditioning well after co-washing then low-pooing (again, for my scalp issues - everyone may not want to do the double washing, though it does help get the green off the scalp and with the smell).
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Sorry RawrSally, but I'm going to but into your thread. My natural color is similar-ish to RawrSally's (but much ugglier). I was hoping to become a strawberry blonde by either using henna diluted with conditioner or diluted with cassia. But from what I'm reading that will not give me strawberry blonde, but will give me a Ronald McDonald blonde. Is that correct?
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Maybe if you did 75% cassia, 25% henna and only left it on a short time? Might be worth a strand test to find out.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Oops. Missed pages 2 and 3 of this thread. I see this was already covered. Thanks for responding Mims.
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I've been an avid henna-er for a while now and am just looking to give it a break. I did notice a difference in my curls. I think this may be because I'm lazy and would just do all over color each time. I notice more now that I have a large growth of virgin hair. My roots are ridiculous!

I think if you keep to root touch ups you shouldn't see much change in the curl pattern.

I have dark brown hair and henna over it gives me a vibrant dark auburn/chestnut. I actually adore the color, but you can't vary the tones with it and I'm looking to do something more fun with my hair. I'm not adverse to chemical colors as I take care of my hair the rest of the time and I don't do it regularly. I think I want to go darker now, more brown than red which I can't do with henna.
Pedaheh, you totally weren't butting in on my thread! I made this for everyone who is looking to henna. I feel like we need a resource for this.

But yeah, I think I'm going to order 100 grams of both henna and cassia, and make small batches of samples to try out on my hair. Hoping for the best.
Oh, so what do I do about mixing all this up? Could I have like, a recipe? Maybe using tea and conditioner? I want to avoid lemon juice if at all possible.
Read through henna for hair's instructions... they're really good. basically you add moisture (water, tea, whatever I guess) until it's the consistency of mashed potatoes and let it sit to dye release. And then once you're ready to put it on, you add more moisture (tea, water, conditioner, etc) until it's the consistency of pudding. And ta da, all done.

I wouldn't worry too much about being super exact with your measurements. if you used 1 cup of conditioner one time, and 1 and 1/4 the next time I don't think you're going to see a SERIOUS difference. it's all pretty forgiving.

Things to keep in mind:
Don't let it sit and dye release in a porous plastic container unless you're ok with that container being orange... I usually put it in glass.

Don't use a metal spoon to mix the henna... metal + henna = green. bad. lol, use a plastic spoon/spatula and rinse it well when you're done so it doesn't stain.

Keeping my hair covered with a shower cap helps TREMENDOUSLY when it comes time to rinse it out. Wet henna is much easier to remove than crusty dried on henna.
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Thanks! I'm getting really excited now! =]
I was always afraid any oils in the conditioner would coat the hair and prevent the color from taking well. You don't find that to be a problem, Mims?

I probably still wouldn't do it myself, having as much trouble retaining indigo as I did already, but it sure would help with removal!

I definitely agree that you should never, ever allow it to dry out. It can be hard enough to remove already. Co-washing definitely helps loosen it up and get the worst of it out, though it might not be necessary if conditioner's already in the mix.

For full strength henna, I always used a plastic processing cap and then also wrapped it with a couple of layers of plastic wrap. Helps retain heat and keep your head from getting cold (though probably not a problem this time of year), helps retain the moisture even more and keep it from drying out, and helps keep water from seeping out and dripping. Something real clingy like Saran or Glad wrap - I have some commercial wrap that really sticks to itself.

You absolutely don't need any lemon juice if you're using tea, RawrSally.

I always use a glass or plastic mixing bowl and all plastic utensils and hair clips, stuff I don't care about staining - sectioning hair off and working from the bottom sections up helps you get better coverage. If you start on top, the top layers can get too heavy to manipulate. You don't need a lot of sections, but some help.

And be sure to use plastic gloves so you don't stain your nails, even if just doing a henna gloss. Even they have enough dye release to stain nails.

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Last edited by auntnett; 05-06-2011 at 01:17 PM.
=] Thank you! And yeah, I'm going to get the necessary equipment once I order the henna and cassia. I've already gotten some vasoline to make sure my hairline isn't orange. And does target sell rubber gloves?
Yep, I got mine at Target... Latex gloves in the cleaning supplie aisle

Oils in conditioners... hmm. Well, i've never noticed it to be a problem. but that being said, my hair seems to soak up just about EVERYTHING (don't ask me how much conditioner I go through in a month...) so I've never really worried too much about the henna not penetrating. I also always use the cheapy conditioners (Suave/Vo5)... i've never really looked all that closely at the ingredients but maybe the oils are low on the list?

*shrug* never been a problem for me at any rate. Might be something you try once and see... if your henna fades quickly or doesn't stain well, go without the conditioner the next time and it might work better.
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Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
Would I be able to use more tea rather than conditioner to thin it out?

Last edited by RawrSally; 05-06-2011 at 01:46 PM.
=] Thank you! And yeah, I'm going to get the necessary equipment once I order the henna and cassia. I've already gotten some vasoline to make sure my hairline isn't orange. And does target sell rubber gloves?
Originally Posted by RawrSally
Yeah, you can get disposable gloves with the regular Playtex gloves at places like Target, but your best buy is at Sally's or other beauty supply stores. You can get good-sized pkgs. of disposable latex gloves and plastic processing caps pretty cheap. I recommend disposable gloves so you can just skin them off inside out and pitch them without getting any of your henna "mud" anywhere.

Warning, you'll probably find it a pretty messy process the first time, LOL! I recommend putting an old sheet down on the floor wherever you're doing it to catch any blops and protect your floor. You'll get the hang of it and it'll be less so as you go along.
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Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett
Yep, I got mine at Target... Latex gloves in the cleaning supplie aisle

Oils in conditioners... hmm. Well, i've never noticed it to be a problem. but that being said, my hair seems to soak up just about EVERYTHING (don't ask me how much conditioner I go through in a month...) so I've never really worried too much about the henna not penetrating. I also always use the cheapy conditioners (Suave/Vo5)... i've never really looked all that closely at the ingredients but maybe the oils are low on the list?

*shrug* never been a problem for me at any rate. Might be something you try once and see... if your henna fades quickly or doesn't stain well, go without the conditioner the next time and it might work better.
Originally Posted by MimsTX
Thanks, but I'm not planning to go back to full strength anyway - was just wondering. I have the opposite problem - my hair's not porous and it can be hard to get it to take color or to hold it. I was surprised that the glosses work as well for me as they do because of it.

RawrSally, good luck! I'm about to head out and be away from a computer over the weekend. I look forward to hearing how it turns out, assuming you're doing it this weekend, that is.
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett

Last edited by auntnett; 05-06-2011 at 02:04 PM.

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