Help with method please!!

I really need some advice please! I'm fairly new to cg, about a month and thru lots of trial and error I have narrowed down my products to co-wash with 365 grapefruit, aohr or Giovanni 50:50 for rinse out, Giovanni Direct or more aohr for leave in and kccc and/or brhg for gels. I have also discovered my hair likes sealing, and I'm playing around with coconut, jojoba and apricot oils.

I have thick, dense and coarse 3a and b, lots of frizz and way too much volume. I have enough hair for a couple of heads and it can get really big! So I've been doing evoo dt's weekly, and if I had a goal it would be to have the type 2 hair I got when I did Brazilian blowouts.

My problem is method and application. I have tried super soaker, icequeen and a whole bunch of others, butu cant seem to get a good method going. Plopping made my hair huge, but wrapping in a mf turban actually helps to stretch it out a bit. I just don't get the whole application thing though! If I put products on sopping wet my hair will take 8 hours to dry and I lose product down the drain. If I scrunch with a mf I lose more product and my hair gets huge! I can't sleep with wet hair, and need something quick and simple, and to top it off, I live in a civilized rain forest (west Coast) and the minute I step outside I go poof! I usually air dry and diffusing makes it big too!

Oops, just realized I didn't actually ask a question! I'd love to hear what others do that's quick and gets me out the door. I hate that feeling of sopping hair down my back...

And one more question while I'm at it, can someone please explain why you put products in sopping wet? I think I do better getting rid of excess water first.

Sorry for the lengthy ramble, I really need some help from all you wise cg gurus!
Thanks!

Last edited by curlyloxnv; 05-06-2011 at 06:00 PM.
I feel ya about putting products in sopping wet hair, I feel like it all just scrunches out and ends up in my bathtub more than in my hair. However, I've read it helps with frizz because you are adding product before your hair touches a towel and protecting it from frizz formation. I've experienced times when I've squeezed too much water out of my hair with my flour sack towel before adding leave in and gel and I sometimes get frizz.

Is your goal clumping? Because that's what the supersoaker and ice queen method are meant for. Maybe just raking product through your hair would work OK. Also, do you apply product with your head upside down? Thats what I do because I want volume, but if you apply product with your head right side up it might help you get more stretch in your curls and less volume.

My last piece of advice is trying out flour sack towels. I used to use microfiber but they gave my frizz issues. Flour sack towels get out enough moisture without cause frizz for me. You can buy them at Target or Walmart in the kitchen towels section and the usually come a 4 or 5 pack.

HTH!
Curl Style: 3b/3c
Texture: Fine
Porosity: Normal

Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
RO: GVP CB
Styling: As I Am Leave In, Jessicurl Rockin' Ringlets & Confident Coils, DevaCurl Set Me Up, Curl Keeper
Gel: Ecostyler Olive Oil, BioSilk RHG
You may want to try diffusing a bit. Even if you only did 10 minutes it would cut your drying time by a few hours. Flour sacks are great for removing water without creating frizz, as are the Curls Like Us towels (if you don't want to spend the money you can use old cotton tee shirts.)

Finding what works for you is trial and error. If you need to take some water out of your hair prior to adding products, that's what works for you. You may want to try raking products in with a wide tooth comb or a Denman brush--brush definitely made me loose curl (not desired in my case.)

Last, and not least, you may want to try different products. Look for folks with hair like yours and see what they are using (most have the information in their signatures.)
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thanks for the suggestions! While new to cg, I've been lurking for years and following curlies with the same hair types, at least it gave me somewhere to start. I'm just getting impatient, I had such a simple routine with cones, now it's overwhelming trying all the new things and if I only tried one at a time I wud have to live to 105 before I figure it all out!!

So I have a curlease to try, I thought it didn't absorb enough but pulled it out to try again. Not sure on the clumping thing, I think my hair is so thick it just clumps anyways? I'll try just raking and I do everything right side up to reduce volume.

Any tips for diffusing? I have tried, just concentrating on the roots, but frizz city!! I've read lots of threads on it, but just can't seem to get the hang of it...

Last night I actually had the best hair so far in my cg journey. I was so frustrated, just about to give in and schedule a BB. I went back to basics, lots of li, sealed with a good glob of coconut oil (it's raining buckets here, automatic poof), raked in brhg, pulled the top part back into a clip halfway thru to get it out of my face and was so busy I left it alone. What do you know, great hair just in time for going to bed!

Thanks for the help so far, please keep the suggestions coming!
You may want to buy a good dryer. There's a tread on it: Anybody have an expensive hair dryer?

I found that it makes a BIG difference. Hair doesn't blow around=less frizz.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thanks kathymack. Guess I have a whole new bunch of threads to read on diffusing! In my attempts so far, I find I get frizz even on low heat (I think we have a decent hair dryer), and diffusing seems to increase my volume. Any thoughts on how to diffuse and decrease volume?
I just got a Deva cut for the first time, and my stylist walked me through diffusing (I had zero success with it before, I had all but smashed my dryer into the wall) She said the key is to not touch your hair while drying. Low air speed and high heat will set the curl without blowing hairs out of place.

She said the reason curlies get such great results from sitting in a chair dryer is because they do not touch anything until it is completely dry. She gave me the best curls I have ever had, and I have been able to recreate them with her instructions every time I've washed since I saw her.

I'm telling you all of this because we've talk a lot and your hair (and frustration!) Sounds so much like mine.
This is what she did:
-low poo and condition, rinse and apply leave in (she used deva, but I don't use it at home, and my curls still work.) At home, I seal with SM DT cause I like soft, soft curls.

-plopped for about 5 minutes in a flour sack towel (she taught me how to properly plop!) I leave it on while I get dressed, as pulling shirts over my finished hair causes poofing for me. Also, I use cotton t-shirts.

-she raked through CHS Curl keeper right-side-up (I use my SM curl milk for this step, again for moisture/softness)
*if you haven't used curl keeper, its the consistencey of water. It was enough to leave my hair squishey/drippy. I replicate this by spritzing water over my curl milk.

-she then flipped my head over and scrunched in Deva Angell (I use GF Pure clean gel) she said its the watery-wet hair squishing the gel around that gives you even distribution.

-clipped my roots along my part (taught me clipping, too!)

-set me under the dryer. She said you let the gel dry hard, creating a "cast" to protect from frizz. My hair was HARD, rock hard when she took me out.
*At home, she said to replicate the dryer by letting the diffuser do the work. Hover over the hair, directing air downward, and do not touch even a strand until it is all dry. Don't scrunch the hair in the bowl or with your hands, dont move the bowl around through the hair. The most movement you can do is to lean side to side to reach the under layers (I have to do this, because my hair is too thick for the hot air to reach it through the top.) Think about what is going on with your hair when you sit under a salon dryer. Again, low speed, high heat to to set the curl.

-she took out the clips and flipped over, SOTC upside down with just a drop of deva MirrorCurls which is a sunflower oil (I use argan oil) using too much oil turns the curls stringy.

Looking at it now, it looks like a lot, but in practice its actully quite fluid. Try this when you have no time contraints or requirements for good hair. The pressure to have something work (and in a specific time frame, time is what nips at my heels!) makes it so much more difficult to try something new. I hope this helps, and you know you can ask me anything, anytime!

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Southeast Michigan
*Whatever makes my curls happy* since 01/2011
3b/c/a Thick, Medium/Coarse, Normal Porosity & Elasticity, Dyed.
Kind of starting from scratch...
Cleanse: various low-poos (still searching)
Condish: Aura Cherry Almond Bark (but always on the look-out)
DT: SMDTM
Styling: LI, curl cream, gel. Insert various products appropriately.
I <3: Coconut & Argan oil, my Denman, a neat side-braid.
"Oh, you were going to straighten it? I just like it curly so much better..."
Curlycandy3, I want to see pictures! Your routine sounds awesome, I'm going to try and copy it. Except for the plopping, gives me way too much volume. I am guilty of touching my hair, I can't help it! Or my little guy does, and I can't tell him to stop

I wish there were deva cuts where I live. I have a great stylist who works well with curls, but she's not into the cg stuff and she actually cringes when I ask her not to use shampoo! If anyone knows of deva trained stylists in Vancouver, please let me know!

What do you think of curl keeper? I tried it but didn't like the feel got that flash dry thing. Maybe in should try it again...

Waiting to see a picture!
I will put up pics as soon as get home (and to my computer!) I can't believe I forgot to do that. Also remember that the "no touching" rule is only in effect while your hair is in the process of drying. Once its dry, its fair game. And I know a lot of curlies who don't plop replace it with a thorough scrunch with their flour sack towel/t-shirt, that may work better for you.

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Southeast Michigan
*Whatever makes my curls happy* since 01/2011
3b/c/a Thick, Medium/Coarse, Normal Porosity & Elasticity, Dyed.
Kind of starting from scratch...
Cleanse: various low-poos (still searching)
Condish: Aura Cherry Almond Bark (but always on the look-out)
DT: SMDTM
Styling: LI, curl cream, gel. Insert various products appropriately.
I <3: Coconut & Argan oil, my Denman, a neat side-braid.
"Oh, you were going to straighten it? I just like it curly so much better..."

What do you think of curl keeper? I tried it but didn't like the feel got that flash dry thing. Maybe in should try it again...

Waiting to see a picture!
Originally Posted by curlyloxnv
Sorry, I didn't even answer this! My stylist put it in my hair and did all of the work, so I don't know how it is to handle. But I loved, repeat- LOVED the curls she gave me with the Curl keeper/AnGell mix, enough that when I get my analysis back, if those aren't no-no's for me, I am going to buy them.
Southeast Michigan
*Whatever makes my curls happy* since 01/2011
3b/c/a Thick, Medium/Coarse, Normal Porosity & Elasticity, Dyed.
Kind of starting from scratch...
Cleanse: various low-poos (still searching)
Condish: Aura Cherry Almond Bark (but always on the look-out)
DT: SMDTM
Styling: LI, curl cream, gel. Insert various products appropriately.
I <3: Coconut & Argan oil, my Denman, a neat side-braid.
"Oh, you were going to straighten it? I just like it curly so much better..."
OH MY GOD! READ THIS:

I had the exact same problem as you. My hair got so huge it was horrifying. I could never wear it down!

Then I got my hair thinned! Like crazy thinned! I was really scared cause I heard thinning will make curly hair lighter (as in poufier). My hair is amazing now! I can actually look in the mirror and not feel like crying. The hair ball that was on the floor after he was done was the size of a big couch cushion (for lack of something better to compare it with). XD It made a literally unbelievable difference. Now the biggest my hair gets is about the size of my hair dripping wet. You should really consider doing this. The way he thinned my hair was he cut my hair with the thinning scissors about 4-5 times on each piece he took. Roots, a little above the ends and in between. (Usually they only cut it 1-3 times on each section of hair.) My hair is so much easier to take care of. Not to mention it looks gorgeous.

TRY THIS

HTH
3a, 3b (corkscrew)
Texture: mostly medium except for some messed up parts on top which are coarse.
Porosity: High
Location: Israel
Haircut: I got my hair majorly thinned!!! Best thing I ever did!

Still looking for the perfect products! And trying to deal with hard water!
Ok, you convinced me, and I'm way overdue for a trim, so I have a cut scheduled for next week. My stylist usually does a bit of a thin, I'll let her go at it this time! Keep me updated on how the growing goes with the thinning, I've heard horror stories but maybe their hair just didn't need it as much.

Curlycandy3, I'm trying ck today as you loved it so much. Are you still liking it a week or two later? I did a start over the other day, clarifying poo followed by biolage conditioning balm dt then used biolage conditioning balm as my leave in. So soft, I'll keep this up until my moisture levels are good (could take months!). So off to try ck over it....

And still waiting on pics!
2c/3a, medium/coarse, normal porosity, normal elasticity
CG and covering the grey!
Just a note of caution, thinning has the potential to NOT be good for curly hair. It can increase split ends and cause a "triangle" effect with the hair. It seems to have worked for cuteneli, which is awesome...Just wanted to throw a note of caution in there. Maybe start off with a trim and some layers if you are concerned...
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils

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