The woes of a CG...discouragement!

Hey all. Feeling really discouraged lately. My hair has been turning out really funky and weird lately, and it's not cooperating with me. I'm still struggling with dryness, although I'm attempting to overcome that (with the advice or some fellow curlies -- thanks, BTW! I appreciate all that you've helped me with!). I am disappointed with a bad haircut -- I have one very blunt layer (that is curling fairly nicely) atop a fairly stringy, straightish underlayer. Needless to say, that isn't a great look. I'm thinking of recruiting someone (like a family member) to cut the bottom layer of my hair a lot closer to the top layer, but this means cutting off a LOT of length -- like at least 5 inches. I am also getting tons of frizz and poof from all this humidity. And along with that comes more tangles. Ugh, the frustrations!

Sorry for this big long rant -- I am not looking for advice, really. Just venting. Any of you having a hard time with your hair lately (or HAD a hard time)? How did you overcome it? What have you been doing different now that summer's coming?
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
I feel ya! I struggle getting good haircuts since my top layer is a lot more textured and shrinks up compared to my straight under layer. No matter what I say, stylists always insist they know how to cut "Asian" hair and my top layer tends to be a couple inches too short.

I recently had my husband cut an inch or two off the bottom layer because it stuck out and looked horrible. I'm in desperate need of a trim/hair cut but I hate how my hair looks afterward.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

Oh, I feel you on this! It sounds like we have reasonably similar hair, lol. I struggled with soooo many stylists that never cut my layers how I wanted them, and then they were always awkward-looking and never curled right. I recently FINALLY found a stylist who cut my hair perfectly, and it's making all the difference. Haircuts are such a tricky situation.

Good luck with solving your hair dilemma, though! Try some deep treatments
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hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
I think we've all been there.........a lot!! I think when the weather changes, it takes us by surprise and mixes things up a bit too much. If you've had the unfortunate luck of a bad haircut, that can definitely make things worse. Have you tried asking around for a stylist who knows how to deal with curly/wavy hair? If you have to go shorter for a while to fix your hair for a bit, try to think of it as something fresh and summery!! And hair always grows back!!! Stay strong fellow wavy!!
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Aw, thanks you guys! I feel better. I'm glad to know you're going through the same thing, Asianrunner! Not that that's good for you, but at least we know who to commiserate with, ha ha! And thank you, Steph. I have been trying to do more DT's. I think today I'm going to try a Spritz and Condish (I've actually never tried this before -- DUH! My hair is so dry, and I've never done S&C. Silly me...). We'll see if that helps, too! Been trying pre-poo treatments, but I used WAY too much the first time, and it came out an oily mess. After I got some ideas and guidance (from Geko! Thank you!), I am going to try using less and see how that works out. All this experimenting is pretty fun, but it can be challenging at times! Hippiechic -- I actually am really experiencing the whole "summer taking me by surprise" thing! This is my first summer CG, and I thought I finally had things down! I didn't actually think I needed to do that much tweaking, but apparently I was wrong! I have to start reading all those "what changes as the seasons change" threads! I guess I never really got it until I experienced it first-hand. I haven't tried asking around for a stylist on here, but I have looked on the salon finder, and that's the one I went to. She was great (although not hugely open to what I wanted done to my hair) -- she used Jessicurl stuff on me, plopped my hair and everything. But she did a wet cut when I specifically asked for a dry cut. My hair actually curls unevenly when it's dry, and one part is less wavy than another, so doing a wet cut on my hair is a total no-no. I am going to try looking through all the salon reviews threads to see if I find anything. Thank you for all your support!
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
haha no prob! I just had a haircut (literally, like almost two hours ago) and am actually happy with the results for the first time in years! I went to one of those big chain salons and the trim itself actually took about 10 mins.

I decided to be brave and ask for a dry cut and she said yes without batting an eye. Don't know why I haven't asked before. Then she trimmed about an inch off, added long layers and the bottom edge was rounded.

I went home and rewet my hair and tried to style like usual. Waves are a little messy since I rewet upside down but I can tell the bottom looks a lot better and I'm getting some good clumps!

oh and what am I doing differently? I'm now adding in some products with glycerin and am able to use some heavier products like Marie Dean for my leave-in.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

That's awesome! Go, Asianrunner! I should try that sometime, but I guess I'm brainwashed with the curly mentality that no one is going to get my hair and they're just going to look it like I bought it from another planet or something. As long as they cut it dry (and it's just a trim in my case), I should be good!

Oh, so you do it backwards then, huh? You add the heavier stuff in during summer instead of winter? I don't appear to be glycerin sensitive (or humectant sensitive) in the low dews, but that could change next winter, ha ha! I'm trying to moisturize more to combat the frizz, but I thought that was for winter. It's the only solution I can think of, though!
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
Something like that happened to me a while back. I think in October? Oh well.. date doesn't matter.

I basically got a horrible cut. I had "layers" (it was just a short chunk in the front of my face). That "layer" created hair hell for me.
It finally grew out longer, still uneven though.
I was starting to be happy with the results at the beginning of this month. I needed a trim though..
I went to my long time hair stylist(not the same one who gave me hell) for a trim.
He did the same thing! I was PO'd.

I did some research and decided to get the Coppola Keratin treatment.
It solved all of my problems
Coppola Keratin Complex Treatment: May 12, 2011
Hair type before: 3
Hair type after: 2
haha yes I guess I do it backwards! I feel like my hair can take it more in the summer (no idea why) and I also do more PT+DT. My hair tends to get way bigger and poofier in the summer so maybe the heavier products help weigh it down more.

I could use about half of my glycerin products in the fall/winter, especially if I mixed them with a little SS CEJ. Otherwise it was that flash drying feeling.

And I'm fairly certain I've asked you this before but how do you apply/use LOOB? I get excited about it when I first apply it but an hour later my waves are drooping.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

haha yes I guess I do it backwards! I feel like my hair can take it more in the summer (no idea why) and I also do more PT+DT. My hair tends to get way bigger and poofier in the summer so maybe the heavier products help weigh it down more.

I could use about half of my glycerin products in the fall/winter, especially if I mixed them with a little SS CEJ. Otherwise it was that flash drying feeling.

And I'm fairly certain I've asked you this before but how do you apply/use LOOB? I get excited about it when I first apply it but an hour later my waves are drooping.
Originally Posted by asianrunner
I actually think I have this whole "changing your routine in summer down." I tried something different yesterday, and it worked SO well! I just used LI, oil, and gel (but TONS of it), and it came out amazing. Guess I know to go heavy on the products, but don't layer so much. I think my hair droops and looks producty this time of year when I layer too much.

Actually, I think you did ask me how I applied LOOB before! But I totally don't mind answering again. I use it like a curl cream under my products. I just dip my finger in and scoop some up and scrunch it into my hair, and then I layer my gel and another hard-holding gel on top. I originally tried to make it work for 2nd day hair, but by itself, I do find that it pulls my waves out and doesn't do much. But, with other products, I think it does a lot better. I don't necessarily think I'm going to re-purchase it, but it's not awful or anything. I just want to try something creamier. I'm eyeing the Garnier Pure Clean Cream. And I think it's fragrance-free! WOO HOO!
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
Man oh man I am in a hair slump too. I've decided to blame it on the changing seasons/funky weather and the fact that I need a haircut.

Unfortunately, uncooperative hair awakens within me a PJ and I go out and buy a bunch of products to see if any will "cure me", ahaha...
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I've just had a haircut, so I'll have to blame mine on the changing dewpoints. I had my winter hair all figured out, and it looked great every day until about early March. As soon as the dews hit 40-50, I was a mess. After a couple of weeks, I got that figured out - and now the dews are in the upper 60s, and I'm a hot mess again. This is going to be a loooooong summer, I'm afraid.
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

Man oh man I am in a hair slump too. I've decided to blame it on the changing seasons/funky weather and the fact that I need a haircut.

Unfortunately, uncooperative hair awakens within me a PJ and I go out and buy a bunch of products to see if any will "cure me", ahaha...
Originally Posted by sleepyjess
I didn't realize how much the weather would throw me for a loop, either! It's my first summer CG -- obviously I was very naive and too confident that my routine would hold up! Layering products was working great...now it's making me look limp, less curly, and a little producty. I'm sticking with just gel (and, of course, the essential LI and oil for sealing), and so far, I'm getting better results! The need for a haircut always makes my hair look bad, too. My hair is VERY demanding, and it finds ways to make me suffer when I don't do what it wants, LOL!

I totally agree with you. I diagnose myself with PJ-itis when my hair looks bad and I find myself studying the signatures of people who have hair like mine even more intently than I usually do!

I've just had a haircut, so I'll have to blame mine on the changing dewpoints. I had my winter hair all figured out, and it looked great every day until about early March. As soon as the dews hit 40-50, I was a mess. After a couple of weeks, I got that figured out - and now the dews are in the upper 60s, and I'm a hot mess again. This is going to be a loooooong summer, I'm afraid.
Originally Posted by Rustina
For what it's worth, Rustina, I LOOVE your hair in your siggi and avatar pics! I have always been quite jealous of your curls and shine.

That's another thing I have to work on -- running with the dew points. I kinda ignored them when I knew I shouldn't, but now I know just how important they are! I always hear everyone saying that their winter hair is more of a pain than their summer hair...right now I'm leaning toward the opposite. Although my hair is definitely curling like crazy with this humidity, it's also frizzing and poofing like crazy! Definitely not the best of both worlds.
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
Wavynwild, we may not share the same hair, but we're sharing a brain. I would kill to have the winter dew points back! This high dew point high humidity stuff is for the birds. I had hoped that my hair would get curlier in the warmer weather, but so far, no dice. And the frizz - grrrrr!

You are very sweet to make such nice comments - thank you!!


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Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

Wavynwild, we may not share the same hair, but we're sharing a brain. I would kill to have the winter dew points back! This high dew point high humidity stuff is for the birds. I had hoped that my hair would get curlier in the warmer weather, but so far, no dice. And the frizz - grrrrr!

You are very sweet to make such nice comments - thank you!!


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Originally Posted by Rustina
Is your hair getting poofier, too? I find that mine is getting a lot poofier and "fluffier" (a.k.a. less defined, more scattered curls that seem to just be floating in the air -- and it appears I have a lot more hair now!) lately. I'm using TONS of gel to counteract it!

ETA: Oh, and you're welcome! You ladies deserve to get complements on your hair when it looks so nice!
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
Yes! Poofy, fluffy, and undefined describe my hair perfectly right now. I'm using tons of gel, too, but even the hardest holds aren't enough to keep my curls intact through the day. I'm about ready to get a buzz cut!


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Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

Wavy wild & Rustina ecostyler is amazing for high dews & very affordable! Don't let the protein scare you, it's worth trying. I layer it under BRHg after sealing with coconut oil. Try adding a teaspoon of honey to your rinse out & Acv rinses are also fantastic to control frizz especially if you don't rinse it out.
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Wavy wild & Rustina ecostyler is amazing for high dews & very affordable! Don't let the protein scare you, it's worth trying. I layer it under BRHg after sealing with coconut oil. Try adding a teaspoon of honey to your rinse out & Acv rinses are also fantastic to control frizz especially if you don't rinse it out.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Oh, I've heard about EcoStyler, but I've never tried it. Honestly, protein DOES scare me! Do they ALL have protein -- even the olive and argan oil ones? I am also willing to try the honey rinses -- another thing I keep forgetting to do! I'm also planning on doing and ACV rinse soon because I use Castile Soap to wash and haven't been doing an acidic rinse afterward. It's been working fine, but I'm just planning on doing it for my mental sanity (so I don't totally freak out!).
Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!

Last edited by wavynwild16; 05-29-2011 at 06:52 AM.
You know, I had used the clear Eco gel last fall with great results, but when I tried it again in the winter and early spring, it was terrible. Very frizzy and icky. So I put it back on the shelf and forgot about it. Maybe I'll pull it back out again - today the dewpoint is 69. Gah! I'll try anything at this point.

I had always thought that honey was a humectant, and in general, humectants make my hair frizz - so I haven't wanted to try that, either. Del, I usually don't use a RO; I cleanse or do a good water scrub, depending on the day, then put in my leave-in. I add a teeny bit of water before putting in gel, just to help it distribute better, but I don't rinse my condish out. Can I use honey with the LI, or does it really need to be rinsed out?

I use ACV rinses once a week, after my DT is rinsed out (I do a baking soda/condish co-wash beforehand), but really, I haven't noticed any kind of frizz reduction from it.

Wavynwild, if that is your hair in your avatar, it is STUNNING. Holy cow, that color!
Sulfate/non-water-soluble silicone free since 8/16/10
Northern VA
Med-coarse, normal porosity, low elasticity
Dye-free since 11/2010

If anyone is dealing with dry hair, you may want to try a citric acid rinse instead of a ACV rinse. ACV dries my hair out and the citric acid didn't. They should do the same thing.

ETA: OMG. They are pouring straight ACV on hair on the rachael ray show. Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! The woman they did it too is sitting in the audience. "Look how shiny her hair is!" Her hair is clearly sprayed with a metric ton of silicone spray. It looks oily and limp, but shiny.
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Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
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Last edited by pedaheh; 05-31-2011 at 09:45 AM.

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